Neutral Space Downgrade: Addressing Claims without Evidence

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Good Day Everyone, I've been looking at the Neutral Space from the dragonball cosmology blog, and it stemmed from this previous downgrade thread here. I have been doing more deep diving, and the more I look into it, the more I cannot ignore the glaring problems. The Neural Space is claimed to be a space that holds the 12 macrocosm, but there is no evidence of that.

Here is what the cosmology blog has to say:

In Dragon Ball there exists a construct called the Neutral Space where the Tournament of Destroyers took place in.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology#cite_note-34"><span>[</span>33<span>]</span></a> The Neutral Space contains<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology#cite_note-:6-35"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> all of the 12 macrocosms<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology#cite_note-:6-35"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> of the Dragon Ball multiverse, separating them so that they do not touch nor interact with each other.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology#cite_note-:7-36"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span></a> It is also called a space different from the 12 universes<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology#cite_note-:8-37"><span>[</span>36<span>]</span></a> so from above information it seems that the Neutral Space follows parallelism, making the Neutral Space a 4-D 2-C structure which also possesses an unknown-sized 5th spatial axis due to being both container of multiple significant 4-D Macrocosms and their separator. The Neutral Space seems to contain stars<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology#cite_note-:7-36"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span></a> and galaxies<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology#cite_note-:7-36"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span></a> making it somewhat an universe of its own.

Now the Neutral space has an element of time as Hit was able to use his Time-Skip there.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Cosmology#cite_note-38"><span>[</span>37<span>]</span></a> This acts as an in-between axis of time for the hypertimeline which also acts as a sideways level of time perpendicular to the macrocosms which is why you can destroy the individual macrocosms and their temporal origin without wrecking the others. This means the Neutral Space also have its own time axis,thus with the addition of time axis, the Neutral Space is a 5-D Low 1-C structure

The first scan is the only mention of the concept of "neutral space" in the series proper:



Notice it's in lower case. It's not given any special distinction. The "neutral" here could very well be a political/geographical distinction, such as a neutral zone, or simply an area where the boundaries between the two universes overlap**(I'll get more of this later). Let's look at the next set of evidence:





The blog positions these images as being images of the multiverse proper. But this is not true. The blog is leaving out an important piece of evidence. This is not an image of the multiverse, rather this is a hologram/illusion that Whis creates to explain the concept of the multiverse to Goku and Vegeta. This is from episode 28 as stated by the blog. Here is the video of the scene:



In the video, Whis doesn't mention anything about neutral space, or a bigger structure holding the universes together. And even if the multiverse did look like this, we have zero evidence that the space it's suspended in, is the neutral space. The blog is taking a singular concept, and then applying broadly to the entire cosmology without any evidence to back up that up.

Let's look at other claims of the blog:

The blog claims that the neutral space is "separating them so that they do not touch nor interact with each other." However when you look at the scan, the universes are clearly touching each other. That shining light you see in the center where the two universes touch is the netural space. The one causing the light is Super Shenron. So no, there is no evidence that the neutral space exists to separate the universes or prevent them from interacting with each other. We see them touching. And in the video above, there is a split section where Whis shows them touching as well.

The only tangible piece of evidence we have for the neutral space is this scan here:



This is the only evidence that can confirm or point to the neutral space being it's own structure. However, that's where it stops. The scan states that the neutral space is a space that is different from the 12 universes, similar to the world of void or Zeno's palace area. There is no scan that says the neutral space holds the universes.

At it's highest interpretation, the neutral space is a dimension that resides right between Universe 6 and 7. At it's lowest, interpretation, the neutral space, is just an area where the two universes overlap. Either way, there is zero evidence to support that the neutral space is a construct that holds and separates the universes.

Therefore, it does not have perpendicular time axis. Just a parallel time axis that flows in the same direction as the universes and other miscellaneous dimensions such as Zeno's Palace area. Meaning at best, a Low 2-C structure. Not 5-D.

TLR: There is zero evidence that states the neutral space holds the 12 macrocosms. There is zero evidence the neutral space is anything but a separate dimension between Universes 6 and 7.

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

I ask everyone to be civilized. If you have evidence that the neutral space is stated to hold the macrocosms, please post it, so it can be added to the blog.

 

[Mbpoops]

following

 

[Mbpoops]

8 comments not even addressing the op. just wait for replies bruh

 

[Da3ggman]

Could we please stay on the topic of actually discussing the OP? Unnecessary comments don't add anything to the discussion and only rile up the thread further, and Lord knows this is gonna be a rough ride regardless so we dont need any of that.

 

[Killerdrone123]

The first scan is the only mention of the concept of "neutral space" in the series proper:



Notice it's in lower case. It's not given any special distinction. The "neutral" here could very well be a political/geographical distinction, such as a neutral zone, or simply an area where the boundaries between the two universes overlap**(I'll get more of this later). Let's look at the next set of evidence:

I genuinely don't understand your point here the scans are used to show that the concept of neutral space actually exist in ther series and not some made up term by fans i.e neutral space is a space that is separate from universes

The blog positions these images as being images of the multiverse proper. But this is not true. The blog is leaving out an important piece of evidence. This is not an image of the multiverse, rather this is a hologram/illusion that Whis creates to explain the concept of the multiverse to Goku and Vegeta. This is from episode 28 as stated by the blog. Here is the video of the scene:



In the video, Whis doesn't mention anything about neutral space, or a bigger structure holding the universes together. And even if the multiverse did look like this, we have zero evidence that the space it's suspended in, is the neutral space. The blog is taking a singular concept, and then applying broadly to the entire cosmology without any evidence to back up that up.

You realise in the video which you yourself posted where whis shows us the depiction of the cosmology the space shown holding the universes is neutral space yeah the space we see with stars and yes it is neutral space cause it isn't really depicted as a separate dimension from the space that holds the 12 universes,during this scene when they summon super shenron while the universe are clearly depicted as a seperate entity/spaces from the space that holds them

Let's look at other claims of the blog:

The blog claims that the neutral space is "separating them so that they do not touch nor interact with each other." However when you look at the scan, the universes are clearly touching each other. That shining light you see in the center where the two universes touch is the netural space. The one causing the light is Super Shenron. So no, there is no evidence that the neutral space exists to separate the universes or prevent them from interacting with each other. We see them touching. And in the video above, there is a split section where Whis shows them touching as well.

Erm no we don't,it's an effect of light bending you realise Goku and company were present at the exact same place where the illusion of them touching is coming from and we clearly don't see them touch in any way possible when we zoom in to there location or in general when the overview of the tournament location was given,the video you mention doesn't really show universes touching if anything in the next scene itself we see them being separated

The only tangible piece of evidence we have for the neutral space is this scan here:



This is the only evidence that can confirm or point to the neutral space being it's own structure. However, that's where it stops. The scan states that the neutral space is a space that is different from the 12 universes, similar to the world of void or Zeno's palace area. There is no scan that says the neutral space holds the universes.

Which again supports my point that it is a separate space from the 12 universes. When it is depicted in the anime, we don’t see any clear separation or indication that the neutral zone space is somehow distinct from the space that contains the universes.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

You realise in the video which you yourself posted where whis shows us the depiction of the cosmology the space shown holding the universes is neutral space yeah the space we see with stars and yes it is neutral space cause it isn't really depicted as a separate dimension from the space that holds the 12 universes,during this scene when they summon super shenron while the universe are clearly depicted as a seperate entity/spaces from the space that holds them

I just watched the video you posted. There is zero statements that says the neutral space is holding the universes or is separating them. And like I mentioned in the OP, the two universes are clearly touching, edge to edge. We see the light leak from the neutral space into both universes.

And if we want to be even more nit-picky, space surrounding the universes is pure darkness not stars and galaxies which the neutral space is depicted as having.

Again, this is about the claim that the neutral space is the structure that holds and separates the universes. You are just restating the blog and not providing any definitive evidence.

 

[Damage3245]

I've deleted the posts that are just joking around and filling up the thread. People, if you disagree with the thread and expect other supporters to drop counter-arguments on the thread then just let it happen. We don't need the jokey comments insinuating it and spamming up the thread.

 

[Killerdrone123]

I just watched the video you posted. There is zero statements that says the neutral space is holding the universes or is separating them. And like I mentioned in the OP, the two universes are clearly touching, edge to edge. We see the light leak from the neutral space into both universes.

So you completely ignored what I said above regarding Goku and company being present at that very point and we don't see the universes interact and like i said it seemed like they are touching cause of light

And if we want to be even more nit-picky, space surrounding the universes is pure darkness not stars and galaxies which the neutral space is depicted as having.

In that scene we don't even see stars and galaxies in the neutral space too so what's your point again?also the video linked in the op when whis shows the representation of the entire cosmology which you are using to prove that universe are touching each other btw(even though it doesn't show it) shows a space that is holding the universes have its own stars and probably galaxies too and we don't see any seperation between that space and space between the universe 6 and universe 7

Again, this is about the claim that the neutral space is the structure that holds and separates the universes. You are just restating the blog and not providing any definitive evidence.

So tell me do you have any sort of evidence or visual representation that suggests neutral space is somehow a seperate space from the space that is shown containing the universes cause it doesn't seem like it

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

So you completely ignored what I said above regarding Goku and company being present at that very point and we don't see them interact and like i said seemed like they are touching cause of light

we visually see them interact by having the edges touch. Goku and company aren’t big enough to see the whole picture but the camera clearly shows us they interact.

I am not buying the “light bending” point.

Again, how does any of this prove the blog’s claim the neutral space holds all the macrocosms?

In that scene we don't even see stars and galaxies in the neutral space too so what's your point again?

If the neutral space holds all the universes, then the show would depict the empty space between the universes to look like the neutral space. They clearly showed a stark contrast, meaning the two are not the same.

also the video linked in the op when whis shows the representation of the entire cosmology which you are using to prove that universe are touching each other btw(even though it doesn't show it) shows a space that is holding the universes have its own stars and probably galaxies too and we don't see any seperation between that space and space between the universe 6 and universe 7

A holographic visual aid, that has a strikingly different look than the actual universe depiction. The point was that, even in the holographic aid, which is not a 1:1, whis shows that the universes can touch at the edge.

So tell me do you have any sort of evidence or visual representation that suggests neutral space is somehow a seperate space from the space that is shown containing the universe cause it doesn't seem like it

That’s not how it works. The blog claims the space separating the macrocosm is the neutral space. I pointed out that there is no evidence of that. Its not my job to prove a negative. It’s the job of the blog to prove its claim with evidence. There is none.

 

[TiltedFN]

There really isn't much to attack here because it's literally just the same nonsensical arguments that don't make sense even if put just a bit of research into it. The first part is just vibes and headcanon basically. The only relevant parts that I feel I need to address are is this:

The blog claims that the neutral space is "separating them so that they do not touch nor interact with each other." However when you look at the scan, the universes are clearly touching each other. That shining light you see in the center where the two universes touch is the netural space. The one causing the light is Super Shenron. So no, there is no evidence that the neutral space exists to separate the universes or prevent them from interacting with each other. We see them touching. And in the video above, there is a split section where Whis shows them touching as well.

I feel like I shouldn't even have to explain why this is wrong. The universes absolutely do not interact with or overlap each other. These are completely separate structures proven by the fact that everybody is literally sitting between them. That's where the entire fight took place and the scope of this place is visualized by all the Stars and Galaxies. The entire arc makes absolutely no sense if they are fighting in Universe 6 and 7 the entire time. If they could really overlap, why would Hit need a literal vessel that's capable of interdimensional travel? Your only proof that these structures are touching is a poorly animated visual with blending colors that's also masked by the light. But even then, it's clear they are separate. Narratively and logically. Again, these are the same arguments over and over again.

This is the only evidence that can confirm or point to the neutral space being it's own structure. However, that's where it stops. The scan states that the neutral space is a space that is different from the 12 universes, similar to the world of void or Zeno's palace area. There is no scan that says the neutral space holds the universes.

At it's highest interpretation, the neutral space is a dimension that resides right between Universe 6 and 7. At it's lowest, interpretation, the neutral space, is just an area where the two universes overlap. Either way, there is zero evidence to support that the neutral space is a construct that holds and separates the universes.

The scan quite literally debunks you. It's a separate dimension from that of the 12 universes. We are literally shown it's between the universe, we are given an actual map of the structure of the multiverse. What else is there to say? Since your point of them not interacting doesn't actually hold up, then these arguments just don't mean anything because we are shown exactly what it means.

• Stated to be separate from that of the 12 universes? Yes.
• Shown that this space holds multiple universes? Yes.
• Universes are shown to be separate based on the fact that they are literally between them? Yes.

You have all the evidence you need and then some. So the earlier part just crumbles. Whis not talking about the Neutral Space to Goku and Vegeta is just an argument from silence. Whis is simply explaining the structure to Goku and Vegeta. How the universes are pairs, their different histories, and then we are shown the visual of it entirely. Nothing wrong with that. Nor does it disprove anything. Like I said, the Neutral Space was already mentioned. The sheer fact that the 12 universes are literally mentioned in the same area as this different dimension tells us all we need to know. And since we've seen it's function, it's made clear.

And let me make this clear right now. Since you can't prove that the universes are actually touching, nothing changes about this space even if it only held two universes. It would still be a Low 1-C structure. So what you're doing here is arguing that there is a separate Neutral Space for EACH pair of universes. So how many is that? 6 Neutral Spaces? Unless you're arguing that, this changes nothing and only actually further upgrades the entire timeline.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Shown that this space holds multiple universes? Yes.

Where is this shown?

 

[TiltedFN]

Where is this shown?

How about the scans you literally posted when trying to prove that they are touching???

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

How about the scans you literally posted when trying to prove that they are touching???

I have posted no scans stating the neutral space holds the universe. I have also posted no scans stating the space that holds the universes is the neutral space.

This the core of the issue. Can you provide either of these?

 

[Killerdrone123]

we visually see them interact by having the edges touch. Goku and company aren’t big enough to see the whole picture but the camera clearly shows us they interact.

The camera never really shows them interacting lol we just see a bright flash at the end of the scene.my point was Goku and company are present exactly at point where they are touching while we see it from there perspective we don't see any intersection of universe

I am not buying the “light bending” point.

Ok agree to disagree on that

Again, how does any of this prove the blog’s claim the neutral space holds all the macrocosms?

The argument is that the space that contains this universes is neutral space as there is no clear seperation between it and NZ

If the neutral space holds all the universes, then the show would depict the empty space between the universes to look like the neutral space. They clearly showed a stark contrast, meaning the two are not the same.

The NZ is space between the universes not some pocket dimension that holds between them lol the scene just doesn't depict stars and galaxies for both of them also my argument is that the space that is shown to contain the universes isn't a seperate space from NZ i hope this makes it clear

A holographic visual aid, that has a strikingly different look than the actual universe depiction. The point was that, even in the holographic aid, which is not a 1:1, whis shows that the universes can touch at the edge.

The same holographic depiction accurately points out the cosmology shown in the shenron scene and the universes the anime was going with

That’s not how it works. The blog claims the space separating the macrocosm is the neutral space. I pointed out that there is no evidence of that. Its not my job to prove a negative. It’s the job of the blog to prove its claim with evidence. There is none.

You once again completely miss the point my question to you was prove that NZ and the space containing the universe are seperate space cause as seen in the anime they are clearly not shown as such so do you have a scan or anything that proves NZ is seperate from space that contains the universes

 

[TiltedFN]

I have posted no scans stating the neutral space holds the universe. I have also posted no scans stating the space that holds the universes is the neutral space.

This the core of the issue. Can you provide either of these?

You just asked me where this is SHOWN. You killed your own argument by showing all of us that the universes are held in the Neutral Zone. It is your burden to prove it isn't Neutral Zone when we have statements, showings, and more statements that it just IS.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

The argument is that the space that contains this universes is neutral space as there is no clear seperation between it and NZ

The NZ is space between the universe not some pocket dimension that holds between them lol the scene just doesn't depict stars and galaxies for both of them

You once again completely miss the point my question to you was prove that NZ and the space containing the universe are seperate space cause as seen in the anime they are clearly not shown as such so do you have a scan or anything that proves NZ is seperate from space that contains the universe

I posted a scan that states the neutral space is a dimension different from the 12 universes, similar to world of the void and zeno’s palace area.

You just asked me where this is SHOWN. You killed your own argument by showing all of us that the universes are held in the Neutral Zone. It is your burden to prove it isn't Neutral Zone when we have statements, showings, and more statements that it just IS.

?? Tilted if I have inexplicably shown definitive evidence that the neutral space contains the microcosm, please link to it because from my understanding, I have not seen such evidence.

 

[Killerdrone123]

I posted a scan that states the neutral space is a dimension different from the 12 universes, similar to world of the void and zeno’s palace area.

"Different space" not "Different dimension"also it is refering to how it is a different space in regards to 12 universes it doesn't say it is different from the space containing them

Which again the executor backed up saying how the scans is refering to different dimension and spaces from the 12 universes

 

[TiltedFN]

The blog claims that the neutral space is "separating them so that they do not touch nor interact with each other." However when you look at the scan, the universes are clearly touching each other. That shining light you see in the center where the two universes touch is the netural space. The one causing the light is Super Shenron. So no, there is no evidence that the neutral space exists to separate the universes or prevent them from interacting with each other. We see them touching. And in the video above, there is a split section where Whis shows them touching as well.

?? Tilted if I have inexplicably shown definitive evidence that the neutral space contains the microcosm, please link to it because from my understanding, I have not seen such evidence.

Iam your entire argument hinges on the assertion that the universes are touching. And then you proceed to show a scan of the universes being in the same space as each other . And where exactly are they right now? The Neutral Zone. You debunked your OWN argument and you didn't even realize it. Not that it isn't self evident.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Where is this shown?

in the literal scans bruh

eitherway yeah agree with tilted

 

[CryoTheMayo]

I agree with Killer and Tilted.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Iam your entire argument hinges on the assertion that the universes are touching. And then you proceed to show a scan of the universes being in the same space as each other . And where exactly are they right now? The Neutral Zone. You debunked your OWN argument and you didn't even realize it. Not that it isn't self evident.

That’s not my argument at all.

The blog claims the neutral space holds all the macrocosms. There is no scan or statement stating that.

The only scan states that the neutral space is a dimension between the universes. That’s it.

Where is the evidence that the neutral space holds all the macrocosms? There is none.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

in the literal scans bruh

eitherway yeah agree with tilted

Is this whole thread going to be people claiming its in the scans without actually posting the scans?

Where does it state the neutral space holds all the macrocosms?

 

[TiltedFN]

Where is this shown?

That’s not my argument at all.

The blog claims the neutral space holds all the macrocosms. There is no scan or statement stating that.

The only scan states that the neutral space is a dimension between the universes. That’s it.

Where is the evidence that the neutral space holds all the macrocosms? There is none.

I literally backed up my claim, you didn't provide a counterargument whatsoever. Does the Neutral Zone hold multiple universes? Yes. Does the scan talking about this separate space mention ALL the universes? Yes it does. That is the proof. We are shown how massive the NZ is, that it holds multiple universes in the same space, that it absolutely does completely separate them narratively and logically. We are shown the map of the multiverse, and there is no proof that there are multiple Neutral Zones. Unless again, you want to argue that there are like six of them. Nothing changes here. You've proven nothing. Don't ask for proof when your entire argument hinges on nonsensical claims and a fundamental understanding of not only the plot, but what you are being shown.

 

[Mbpoops]

so is your argument that theres no space inbetween the universes (neutral space) and thus they are touching?

 

[TiltedFN]

so is your argument that theres no space inbetween the universes (neutral space) and thus they are touching?

He thinks there's like some weird pocket dimension between the universes, which doesn't even make sense? Nor can he prove it. He also thinks the universes are touching even though it makes no sense and has been debunked 1000 times. All headcanon, no proof.

 

[RoninSlayer200]

The only scan states that the neutral space is a dimension between the universes. That’s it.

I mean respectfully, that's the whole point? A space between universes logically must encompass them otherwise how the hell does it even work?

You keep saying "there is no evidence/statement" without properly arguing the why. Like come on. You cannot dismiss counter arguments and then ask for proofs because those are literal proofs.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

Yes. Does the scan talking about this separate space mention ALL the universes? Yes it does. That is the proof.

No it doesn’t. The scan only states its a dimension between universes.

We are shown how massive the NZ is, that it holds multiple universes in the same space,

This is literally false.

so is your argument that theres no space inbetween the universes (neutral space) and thus they are touching?

The argument is that there is zero evidence that the neutral space contains all the macrocosms.

There is only single scan stating its a dimension between universes. And it is literally shown to exist where two universes touch and overlap in the anime.

Where is the scan proving it holds the macrocosms?

 

[TiltedFN]

Alright Iam. If you refuse to back up your claims and don't address anything, then there's no point of a back and forth with you.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I mean, the reasoning for an extra temporal dimension cannot be contingent on the specific number of universes as logically all that matters is that there is at least a multiplicity of them, i.e just two.

So as Tilted said, if your argument is that it only holds two universes instead of all of them, highly likely that doesn’t affect the particular rating at all.

The argument is that there is zero evidence that the neutral space contains all the macrocosms.

I mean you do seem to specifying “all” rather than “any”.

Just a few thoughts though, won’t comment on other specifics.

 

[Mbpoops]

The argument is that there is zero evidence that the neutral space contains all the macrocosms.

There is only single scan stating its a dimension between universes. And it is literally shown to exist where two universes touch and overlap in the anime.

Where is the scan proving it holds the macrocosms?

the very scans in your op.

champa refers to the neutral zone as a space between universes and we then see whis make a diagram of the multiverse showing that these universes are SERPERATE. if we say whis' showings are wrong here that would be very weird since whis has been alive longer than most being in the multiverse and can freely travel between all universes its obvious this is how the multiverse is depicted as universes seperated by a larger space and the only space we know of thats described to be inbetween universes is the neutral zone theres no proof of any other space being like this we dont need an explicit statement says "the neutral zone, the area that seperated and holds all 12 macrocosms" because no one writes like that especially in dragon ball. context clues.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

I mean respectfully, that's the whole point? A space between universes logically must encompass them otherwise how the hell does it even work?

Its called a dimension that’s different from the 12 universes and compared to other pocket dimensions such as the world of void and zeno’s palace.

A dimension between two dimensions can be compared to a room between two rooms. That doesn’t mean the room is holding the rooms.

The only information we have on the neutral space is that it is a dimension between universes 6 and universe 7.

Everything else has been added without evidence. Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence.

And this is not the first time dragon ball has had dimensions between dimensions. Look at the suguroku dimension. (Not sure if spelt that right)

You keep saying "there is no evidence/statement" without properly arguing the why. Like come on. You cannot dismiss counter arguments and then ask for proofs because those are literal proofs.

But there isn’t any proof. That’s the point. If we go by the information presented, the claims are not supported. They’re just conjecture.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

like this we dont need an explicit statement says "the neutral zone, the area that seperated and holds all 12 macrocosms" because no one writes like that especially in dragon ball. context clues.

This is dragon ball that has guide books that literally give more information on the cosmology and speaks like this. I posted a scan from a guide book that stated the neutral space was just a dimension between universes. It however did not support the claims added in the blog.

 

[TiltedFN]

Its called a dimension that’s different from the 12 universes and compared to other pocket dimensions such as the world of void and zeno’s palace.

Zeno's palace is NOT a pocket dimension lmao.

A dimension between two dimensions can be compared to a room between two rooms. That doesn’t mean the room is holding the rooms.

The only information we have on the neutral space is that it is a dimension between universes 6 and universe 7.

No. That the space itself is separated from all the universes, while being shown to literally hold them. Just like you asked. All addressed in my comment btw. And also, the fact that this space put under that label WHILE having the property of literally HOLDING universes speaks to itself on what it's function is. You are simply arguing it's some weird dimension that is in the space between universes..while still being a dimension that is separate from that? Based on what?

Everything else has been added without evidence. Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence.

Yes, which we have. You on the other hand, have provided nothing.

And this is not the first time dragon ball has had dimensions between dimensions. Look at the suguroku dimension. (Not sure if spelt that right)

And the correlation is??

But there isn’t any proof. That’s the point. If we go by the information presented, the claims are not supported. They’re just conjecture.

There is. You just refuse to engage with it faithfully.

 

[Iamunanimousinthat]

champa refers to the neutral zone as a space between universes and we then see whis make a diagram of the multiverse showing that these universes are SERPERATE.

Where does champ say all that? He just says “the planet floating in neutral space” and the demonstration whis gave, was before he mentions it.

No. That the space itself is separated from all the universes, while being shown to literally hold them. Just like you asked. All addressed in my comment btw.

No it hasn’t! Stop making up claims and actually post evidence. I am not longer responding to you.

The structure we see holding the universes is never called the neutral space in whis’s informational hologram. The blog just refers to it as though it is with zero evidence to back that up.

We then don’t see that background existing when we actually are shown the universes in real life size!

Post evidence. Waiting for mods or anyone with actual evidence to back up their claims.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I'm with tilted here

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Disagreeing with the thread due to Tilted’s reasoning

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Disagree with the thread fra, this is a nothing burger with obtuseness patties and pedantic buns.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Look how incredible this is the colored manga displays the same colors as the neutral dimension where the 12 universes are located. I disagree with this statement based on the refutations above.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think Tilted and KillerDrone are making more sense here.

 

[Saqphire]

we visually see them interact by having the edges touch. Goku and company aren’t big enough to see the whole picture but the camera clearly shows us they interact.

How exactly would the two universes be touching each other? This is an extremely zoomed out image of the two (at least) universe sized constructs where a single pixel would equate to at least several hundred thousand light years of empty space at minimum, a size well outside the ranges of being close to touching