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5-C The Moon Rampage Tier setter Tournament (2026): Zeshia Bianca vs Gerson Boom (Deltarun) |(Match DECLARED STOMPED after lengthy debate)

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GROUP A

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  • Keys: 5-C
  • Speed: Equalized speed in all matches
  • Distance: 4 km SBA
  • Win:
    • Win via killing ⚰️
    • or if opponent proceed to give up/exit tournament.
  • Knowledge: Random encounters, No prior knowledge to anybody
  • Equipment: Only standard Equipments allowed
  • Group A:
  • Winner: 2 points
  • Loser: 0 Points
  • Incon: Coin flip winner advances 1 points
  • Location: Via SBA, Black Rock Desert, Nevada, USA. with rocks and stones hills
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CharacterVotes
Zeshia Bianca5 (Lemon, Tatsumi, Dark, Ninkan, Brutelho)
Gerson Boom5 (Echidna, Qurbenov, Rex, Kisaragi, LittleGuy99)
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(Wow, that's a lot of haxes. Too bad I ain't reading em)
Bianca doesn't have resistance to soulhax(and if she does busters are duraneg anyways). Gerson have analytical prediction(works again thought based attacks) and can Teleport out of danger beforehand. His movement speed should scale to his combat speed, so crossing 4 km shouldn't be an issue.

Waiting for her sups response
 
we'll see how this debate goes but I'm willing to make an exception if hax is too much for opponent to submit replacement if both parties agrees
 
Zeshia's supposed to resist both soul manip and dura neg but the profile isn't updated. That aside, going with what's currently on it, soul attacks against her will basically amount to nothing as all that matters for the characters is the source (concept), she can dodge the duraneg attacks (I'm assuming they are projectiles?), counter them with her own or block with barriers

She oneshots with any attack as I'm assuming gerson is 7-B here. She can seal him with barriers and speaking of barriers; one doubles her stats while halving that of enemies inside it, will heal any sort of damage as long as it's not instant death: the other will spawn chains that leave one with less than 10% of their stats on a person if they block or dodge the attack
 
Zeshia's supposed to resist both soul manip and dura neg but the profile isn't updated.
Let's use profiles as they currently are.
That aside, going with what's currently on it, soul attacks against her will basically amount to nothing as all that matters for the characters is the source (concept),
Can you elaborate on this(and why it wouldn't matter in Tatsumaki fight, but would matter here).

She oneshots with any attack as I'm assuming gerson is 7-B here.
Yes, if it hits most of his body. Otherwise Gerson can heal damage via candies
one doubles her stats while halving that of enemies inside it
the other will spawn chains that leave one with less than 10% of their stats on a person if
I don't think they are that much relevant in this fight, when Bianca already has good stat advantage
will heal any sort of damage as long as it's not instant death
Non DR characters are assumed to have 90HP. Normal attacks from DR characters with soulhax would kill comparable (or opponent without soulhax resist) opponent in 3-4 hits. Busters are massively stronger than normal hits of Gerson(normal hits can crack surface of Titan shield, busters destroy it completely), so you can consider them as oneshot (and they a bit of AoE to tag enemies more easily).
 
Can you elaborate on this(and why it wouldn't matter in Tatsumaki fight, but would matter here).
Tatsumaki fight was mainly about stats, soul hax is being used as a wincon here. The source is a persons fundamental concept of existence, it is the soul, the spirit but exists much deeper than those aspects.

A persons life is tied to this concept.The physical body can be killed normally but you won't be able to deal substantial damage / cause death by targeting the soul as life itself stems from the source. As long as soul resistance isn't on the profile, soul hax will work depending on its application but if it comes to stuff like loss of life by harming the soul, mind control, empathic manipulation, then it's basically pointless as those all fall under the control of the source.
Ingall resurrected the dead by restoring the soul—or, if one looked into the abyss, the source at the root of one’s magic—that lingered after death. However, Misha’s source had originally been Sasha’s. If I used Ingall after she disappeared, the source used for her resurrection would no longer exist.
“When I was pregnant with Anos, I was examined with magic. That was when they told me he wouldn’t be born healthy, and it would be better for me to give up—that the baby would be happier that way...” Mom smiled gently. “But I knew our little Anos was alive in my tummy, and I couldn’t give up no matter what. It didn’t matter if he was a little different, if he couldn’t study well, or if he was weak—I would love him the way he was, with all my heart. I would give him happiness.”

Before I knew it, dad was standing beside mom.

“Do you remember what you said back then, dear?” mom asked him. “You said that it wasn’t up to us to declare this child unhappy. Being different didn’t mean he couldn’t be happy.”

Dad nodded. “But when Anos was in his mother’s tummy, he was in a worse state than we thought. He almost died at one point.”

“Even with magic, there was nothing the doctor could do. I prayed every day asking for Anos to be born safely. I promised to raise him lovingly, no matter what.”

“What happened then?” Sasha asked.

“Anos’s heart stopped,” mom replied. “The doctor told us he’d died. But I couldn’t give up, so I prayed even harder for anyone, good or evil, to save my baby. Then, his heart started beating again.”

If we were to be absolutely precise, the child mom conceived had died. Or perhaps it was more accurate to say that it had never lived to begin with. The doctor’s diagnosis had been correct. Mom’s body was incapable of bearing a child, and that child had never had a source to begin with.

Only a body had existed within mom’s stomach, and that body had been destined to die before it was born. However, my reincarnation into that existing vessel had brought it back to life.
Under the light of the Moon of Creation, all life gained magic at the core of its being. This created the origin and foundation of all life—the source
This mf can't die from physical injuries because he has more than one source
The sword had to move in a certain path in order to complete the pentagram. However, the Spirit King was one step ahead and changed the trajectory of his blade mid-swing. He thrust Eilarrow forward, directly at Lay’s heart. For Lay, who had seven sources, no such attack would prove fatal.
Gerson's attacks will damage her soul but she won't die from it is what I'm saying. Only attacks that harm her concept or physical body will actually matter
 
Her shields scale to her durability and even used passively are big enough to completely envelope her. She's skilled enough to read and dodge/counter his attacks and can end the fight with a single attack.

How good is Gerson at dodging? She can make and control a hundred copies of her weapon at once. Another wincon for her is to just seal him. Leave him inside <De Igeria> long enough and he'll be weakened till he's no better than an ordinary human + power nulled. Spawn on target if they block or dodge restraining chains are also still on the table along with another 1086 barrier types to seal him
 
Her shields scale to her durability and even used passively are big enough to completely envelope her.
Good for her, but as I have already said Gerson busters are duraneg, so cracking barriers shouldn't be a problem

She's skilled enough to read and dodge/counter his attacks and can end the fight with a single attack.
Did she ever fought someone with ability to predict her attacks?
How good is Gerson at dodging? She can make and control a hundred copies of her weapon at once. Another wincon for her is to just seal him. Leave him inside <De Igeria> long enough and he'll be weakened till he's no better than an ordinary human + power nulled. Spawn on target if they block or dodge restraining chains are also still on the table along with another 1086 barrier types to seal him
As I have already said, Gerson is carried by Analytical prediction + Teleportation. Bianca plans to seal him? He attacks with shell beforehand her own attack, and after Bianca dodges initial attack, tp and redirect it towards her.
 
Voting Zeshia, we have no reason to belive Gerson would focus on busters non stop instead of trying to overwhelm his oponent eith danmaku and Zeshia barrier should cover most attacks and busters aren't spamable, Gerson also relies a lot of blitzing his oponent thing that will not happen thanks to equalized speed, ironically he also has no feat of dealing eith danmaku
How good is Gerson at dodging? She can make and control a hundred copies of her weapon at once
So he will have problem with It, especially sinse he is one shooted

He has some options to dodge like analitic prediction and TP(that to me is just him speed blitzing not really teleporting but whatever)

Voting Zeshia
 
we have no reason to belive Gerson would focus on busters non stop instead of trying to overwhelm his oponent eith danmaku
He will quickly see that his normal soulhax attacks are useless, so he will instead spam busters. And they are spammable, it's only spell in the game that has no TP cost.
 
He will quickly see that his normal soulhax attacks are useless, so he will instead spam busters. And they are spammable, it's only spell in the game that has no TP cost.
I see

Don't buster explode on hit? Depending on hiw Zeshia shield works she probable can still block It
 
I see

Don't buster explode on hit? Depending on hiw Zeshia shield works she probable can still block It
Voting Gerson
I forgot important point about Busters and spells in the game. During gameplay you need to accumulate TP(mostly through dodging and grazing enemy projectiles), but in cutscenes characters can freely spam spells. And we usually treat ingame cutscenes as something that shows how things actually works in verse. So yeah, Gerson can spam busters as much as he wants.
Busters explode on impact, but AoE from them spreads out. So if Barrier is close to Bianca, Buster would destroy it and them impact from it would reach Bianca herself.
Also, even if Bianca dodges Busters they would still explode when they reach they targeted "coordinates". So if she moves not too far from Busters while dodging them, she is gonna get tagged anyways.

Gerson FRA
 
Simple AoE isn't putting her down. Even if the attacks are dura neg, it's description is that it deals the same amount of damage. What reason is there to justify it killing her immediately?
<De Igeria> would instantly heal any damage she receives if the busters AoE even manages to hit. De Ijeid would spawn chains on him if he blocks or dodges, teleporting away still counts as a form of dodging.
Another thing of note is that these barriers are all sealing magic, in other words sealing + power null. He isn't teleporting out of them without resistance and even those with resistance are still weakened till they eventually lose their powers.

I already said in the beginning that the busters are still countered by any attack from her weapon with it's EE/power null
Jio Graze’s path was blocked by the wall, its power reduced as it progressed. Then the black sun collided with the holy barrier, crackling noisily as it burned. The shock wave of the impact sent a violent wind through the area. The next moment, a figure leaped into view. A light flashed, and the black sun was split down the middle. Illuminated by a blinding glow, the two halves of the spell disintegrated. The figure that had cut it landed on the ground. My Eyes locked on to the figure—a young girl with purple hair tied back, a holy sword glinting in her grasp.

About the analytical prediction, Zeshia is skilled enough to hang with people who have analytical prediction and even precognition. The arguments make it seem like she is stuck on defense which is not the case. The sheer range of her weapons coupled with the ability to make and control several to a hundred copies of them, light bright enough to obscure some of the best magic eyes in the story, can tell where he's teleporting to by monitoring distortions in space via wide ranging clairvoyance + info analysis and if we are really gonna go there, anti-magic prevents short range teleportation.

Gerson's bag isn't deep enough to put her down and she can easily pressure him even with her normal tactics. I'm still voting for Zeshia
 
Even if the attacks are dura neg, it's description is that it deals the same amount of damage. What reason is there to justify it killing her immediately?
Already have said it

Non DR characters are assumed to have 90HP. Normal attacks from DR characters with soulhax would kill comparable (or opponent without soulhax resist) opponent in 3-4 hits. Busters are massively stronger than normal hits of Gerson(normal hits can crack surface of Titan shield, busters destroy it completely), so you can consider them as oneshot (and they a bit of AoE to tag enemies more easily).



De Ijeid would spawn chains on him if he blocks or dodges, teleporting away still counts as a form of dodging.
Remind me what exact effects of them?

Another thing of note is that these barriers are all sealing magic, in other words sealing + power null
Only powernull+sealing I see on her profile, works exclusively on demons.



The sheer range of her weapons coupled with the ability to make and control several to a hundred copies of them, light bright enough to obscure some of the best magic eyes in the story
Do these clones have souls on their own?
 
Stats reduced by>90% so that's AP, speed LS etc reduced to less than 10%
Only powernull+sealing I see on her profile, works exclusively on demons.
It's not exclusive to demons. Holy magic is just magic of another wavelength that particularly effective against them. Some specific barriers might be tailored to affect demons or any other race specifically or just not affect anyone who uses holy magic.
De Igeria can be restricted to a particular type and changed on the fly.
“Get out of here, quick!” Eleonore called. She had deployed a magic barrier to protect the retreating Midhaze army. “I’ve adjusted my barrier to block holy magic, but it won’t be able to withstand a Teo Triath like that for long.”
Holy water will affect heroes too if they don't know how to use it, have a specific tool to control it.
“Strange,” Meno muttered, watching the scene through Limnet. “If the magic field is tainted enough to weaken their magic, the Hero Academy should be weakened as well. They’re using Leaks like normal, though. It would be one thing if there were a great difference in their power, but Raos’s Leaks showed less magic than usual.” She thought over the situation before continuing. “Team Rivest’s magic has been sealed, so there has to be some kind of spell at play, but there’s no sign of that spell affecting the Hero Academy students. If it’s not a spell directly applied to one’s opponent, the range has to be absurdly large.” Meno grimaced, clutching her head in her hands.


Meno directed her gaze to the scene shown over Limnet. With her newly honed Eyes, she could no doubt see the circle of holy water sitting within the lake. “That’s a spell formula for a barrier, right? I can’t tell what its effects are, but...” “It draws out the power of the holy water, enhancing the magic of humans within the barrier, while simultaneously sealing that of demons. Holy water flows from the lake itself, allowing the Hero Academy to supply the circle with endless magic, while demons are kept completely helpless.”


“Shall I tell you why your magic’s so weak right now?” Heine asked Rivest mockingly. “The holy water in this lake creates a rather special magic field. If you can harness its power correctly, you can use it as a source of magic. If you can’t, however, it becomes a hindrance to the use of your own.
Agorus has no restrictions but doesn't affect those using holy magic
Holy light streamed from the Sword of Intent, blanketing Lay’s entire body. Agorus could restrict a demon’s body and magic, but it had no effect against the same kind of magic. The Sword of Intent eliminated the vibrations of the earthquake before the tremors could reach him. “Holy magic” was a term gods and humans used for convenience, but it really just referred to the different wavelength of magic they used to produce harm. There was nothing truly preventing a demon or their demon sword from using that wavelength.
There's one that works specifically against dragons and so on
Do these clones have souls on their own?
They're just weapons. They have a source but I see no reason why it would have a soul as well.
 
They're just weapons. They have a source but I see no reason why it would have a soul as
Darkners conveniently have ESP for discerning beings with soul from soulless ones. So Gerson would immediately clock which one is actual Bianca.
It's not exclusive to demons
Your arguments are convincing enough. But you know, such things should be in profiles. Someone who would read current profile, would definitely think that this works only against demons.

Stats reduced by>90% so that's AP, speed LS etc reduced to less than 10%
AP and LS reduction is irrelevant, but speed one is very important. Can you again outlay how this reduction works, and why it would affect stats like speed?
 
Hate how Gerson would possibly get along with this girl but nonetheless 💔

Gonna see the current arguments and make my opinion after, following
 
Darkners conveniently have ESP for discerning beings with soul from soulless ones. So Gerson would immediately clock which one is actual Bianca.
I think you misunderstood, what's being duplicated is her weapon, the Holy Sword of Light, Enharle.
Your arguments are convincing enough. But you know, such things should be in profiles. Someone who would read current profile, would definitely think that this works only against demons.
Yeah, the profile is outdated. I did say it when I nominated her
AP and LS reduction is irrelevant, but speed one is very important. Can you again outlay how this reduction works, and why it would affect stats like speed?
I can't with 100% surety include speed. The general statement says it affects magic/power. The holy water barrier was first used. It gradually weakened magic and eventually lowered even physical ability till one was on the level of a normal human. De Igeria was stated to double the power of the user and halve that of enemies and eventually they'll be reduced to the same state as the the holy water one. De Ijeid (the chains in question) also makes a general statement of reducing magic/power but we got nothing else on it cause the person it was used on is so outrageously stacked that the debuff didn't matter+ immediately adapted to it

How IT Works
It's a projectile with the added effect of malediction magic should one dodge or block it. You shoot it, they block or dodge and the malediction effect causes the chains to spawn on them. The chains seals a person's power leaving them with less than 1/10th of what they normally have.
 
How IT Works
It's a projectile with the added effect of malediction magic should one dodge or block it. You shoot it, they block or dodge and the malediction effect causes the chains to spawn on them. The chains seals a person's power leaving them with less than 1/10th of what they normally have.
I think it dosent change alot tho
 
I think you misunderstood, what's being duplicated is her weapon, the Holy Sword of Light, Enharle.
Bruh, my bad
Yeah, the profile is outdated. I did say it when I nominated her
I would still prefer if nominated profiles were up to date.

I can't with 100% surety include speed
Imma wait for another Gakuin sups for this one. Atp I am half convinced that it should work on speed.
How IT Works
What is the range of it?
 
Why is it variable?
Not counting divine (gods) stuff. The range of magic varies based on the scale of the magic circle and how much magic power is being used.
Give even a basic attack spell enough juice and you can cover Kilometers, pump more and you can burn down countries if you like. Draw a magic circle that's kilometers wide and the spells effect will go as far as tens of kilometers
 
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