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Adam (Hazbin Hotel) Serial Designation N (Murder Drones) (COMPLETED.)

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Rules:
  • Speed equalized.
  • both starts at 20m.
  • N has access to eldritch form.
  • Adam 5B+ key was used.



Adam:
  • AP: 1.7 Yottaton
  • LS: 73222 Tons to 1.005 Million Metric Tons
N:
  • AP: 701 Zettatons
  • LS: 187 tons



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Serial Designation N: @Kirua29 @RealDuker98 @Niko @Aksh_sky @ArrestedForRobbery @GrayCraft_Dragon @Masonic9+2 @Kiryusolver9 @Thermor @CasperSenar @Soul_Nitro_Deluxe @VladimirMakarov317 @Ultimate-Rex1 @Lort15 @Lloydblitzed @Ruby_R_Dracula @Psychomaster35
 
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N has more wincon in my opinion, since he can bypass Adam’s durability with his acid. He can dodge divine light without any real difficulty, as well as Adam’s attacks in general. The only wincon I can see for Adam would be catching N off guard with a surprise hit, which is a pretty weak wincon.
 
Since he can bypass Adam’s durability with his acid.
It's not like he'd start with it, or that it would do that much damage considering Adam would still regenerate from it's damage due to his resistance to regeneration negation.
He can dodge divine light without any real difficulty,
Adam doesn't just start with divine light. He'll start with CQC.
as well as Adam’s attacks in general.
The speed is equalized so that's not really true.
 
It's not like he'd start with it, or that it would do that much damage considering Adam would still regenerate from it's damage due to his resistance to regeneration negation.
Should I remind that N Regen Neg is based on corrosion+ nano technology ? It should eat him alive until it would be done , so his resistance wouldn't work much.
Adam doesn't just started with divine light. He'll start with CQC.
And N is more advanced in this since 1. He is adaptive ai 2. Was able to relatively Cyn in combat for a some time
+ ain't Adam most of the time underestimate his aponents? So it should be only good for N
The speed is equalized so that's not really true.
I thought we're equaling only C/R speed , no (like both is ftl) ? while their attacks speed like holy light and N lasers is only light speed
 
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It's not like he'd start with it, or that it would do that much damage considering Adam would still regenerate from it's damage due to his resistance to regeneration negation.
Well, N tends to use his acid quite often, and even very quickly in a fight. Also, the regeneration suppression here is simply due to the fact that the acid continuously destroys the affected area, which prevents regeneration—so it’s not the same logic as with Charlie.
Adam doesn't just start with divine light. He'll start with CQC.
The speed is equalized so that's not really true.
N is MFTL while Adam is FTL, so with equalized speed, they’d fall somewhere between MFTL and FTL. That means divine light, which is light speed, is easily dodgeable for N—as well as Adam’s attacks in general, since speed equalization only affects the characters themselves, not the speed of their attacks.
 
Should I remind that N Regen Neg is basically based on corrosion+ nano technology ? It should eat him alive until it would be done , so his resistance wouldn't work much.
Why wouldn't his resistance work? Angelic weapons outright negate Sinner's regeneration, with an example of a sinner literally regenerating in a short time after being blown up by a town level attack while his durability is way lower. This isn't even to mention that Adam can still dodge N's attacks as again, N wouldn't start by using it.
And N is more advanced in this since 1. He is adaptive ai 2. Was able to relatively Cyn in combat for a some time
It's not like most of his attacks would actually hurt him much due to Adam's higher durability. I also don't see how Cyn is considered a good fighter, surviving by purely teleporting/dodging and overwhelming your opponent with your ability spamming isn't a good case for combat.
I thought we're equaling only C/R speed , no (like both is ftl) ? while the same holy light and N lasers is only light speed
Holy light doesn't have a specific value currently. Also "most attacks" isn't just referring to their ranged attacks, I'm talking about punching and slamming into people.
 
Why wouldn't his resistance work? Angelic weapons outright negate Sinner's regeneration

It's not about that he can't resist acid Regen neg effect, he still wouldn't able to regen cuz of corrosion (at least we don't know if sinners or angel regen can resist corrosion in the process) and just lets add the fact that Nano drones should just continue eat him without chance to regenerate him.
It's not like most of his attacks would actually hurt him much due to Adam's higher durability. I also don't see how Cyn is considered a good fighter, surviving by purely teleporting/dodging and overwhelming your opponent with your ability spamming isn't a good case for combat.
Yeah but that's not my point
I was talked about Acid, Frist N should just analysis Adam statistics to understand his a capabilities like he did to Uzi in the beginning.
After this, he should just use acid to negate his regen because it would be useless to simple attack him with average attacks , also tbh, not really
She already showed her skill against all of them three which including the same Uzi, so you can't say that she doesn't have a good skill and combat while showing a good sword thrust.
Holy light doesn't have a specific value currently. Also "most attacks" isn't just referring to their ranged attacks, I'm talking about punching and slamming into people.
In pre revisions, his holy light was light speed , no ? Also, N should just adapt to Adam combat, and then try to negate him and his dura with regen trough acid, I just don't see why Adam shouldn't underestimate N and shi talk about him in the process of the fight (like he did with Alastor) , which should make his position against N only worse.
 
Why wouldn't his resistance work?
Because their 2 different types of Regeneration negation
1) Angelic weapons negate durability via soul erasure, in other words, attacking the soul.
2) Nanite acid negates regeneration by corrosion and nano technology.

This isn't even to mention that Adam can still dodge N's attacks as again
Likewise
N wouldn't start by using it
The second thing he does against Uzi
It's not like most of his attacks would actually hurt him much due to Adam's higher durability.
It's a difference of 2.4 times... Plus there's the factor that N's weapon's also scale above him
I also don't see how Cyn is considered a good fighter, surviving by purely teleporting/dodging and overwhelming your opponent with your ability spamming isn't a good case for combat.
We are really downplaying how well Cyn fought btw
Holy light doesn't have a specific value currently. Also "most attacks" isn't just referring to their ranged attacks, I'm talking about punching and slamming into people.
It does dawg
 
Well, N tends to use his acid quite often, and even very quickly in a fight.
Uh no? He only used it against Uzi in the first episode. (In which it took a long time to actually work.)
  • Didn't use it against V
  • Didn't use it against Eldritch J
  • Didn't use it against possessed Uzi.
  • Didn't use it against Cyn.
Also, the regeneration suppression here is simply due to the fact that the acid continuously destroys the affected area, which prevents regeneration—so it’s not the same logic as with Charlie.
He'd still regenerate fully after a short time. N's saliva was able to regenerate Uzi's hand after it got hit with the acid, whether or not it stopped after that short time, Adam would still regenerate from it after it stops or if it can be regenerated from while it's happening.
N is MFTL while Adam is FTL, so with equalized speed, they’d fall somewhere between MFTL and FTL. That means divine light,
That's not how speed equalization works. They both get equalized to the smaller value, which in this case they'd both be at Adam's value (FTL.)
That means divine light, which is light speed, is easily dodgeable for N—as well as Adam’s attacks in general, since speed equalization only affects the characters themselves, not the speed of their attacks.
If you're assuming Adam's holy light is SoL because of it's name, then don't, because per wiki standards, that's not how it works. Again, I'm talking about Adam's attack speed in general, not just his holy light.
 
Didn't use it against V
Didn't want to hurt her(even said sorry)
Didn't use it against Eldritch J
How exactly is he supposed to? Also he never got a chance to fully fight Eldritch J due to the exploding railgun
Didn't use it against possessed Uzi.
Why would he? He wasn't exactly fighting her?
Didn't use it against Cyn.
This is the only reasonable argument in this section. But even then, due to Cyn's fighting style of simply teleporting, or creating hollowgrams to trick them, it simply wasn't worth it and he was better off going "Stab Stab".
N's saliva was able to regenerate Uzi's hand after it got hit with the acid, whether or not it stopped after that short time, Adam would still regenerate from it after it stops or if it can be regenerated from while it's happening.
False correlation. What does Adam have that works like N's saliva specifically designed to stop the nanite acid from working.
 
It's not about that he can't resist acid Regen neg effect, he still wouldn't able to regen cuz of corrosion (at least we don't know if sinners or angel regen can resist corrosion in the process) and just lets add the fact that Nano drones should just continue eat him without chance to regenerate him.
Corrosion would make something slowly break down. N's acid didn't fully destroy Uzi's hand, it only affected the part it hit.
What analysis? He's just seeing what happened due to his faulty memory. He never uses that in any fight we've seen.
After this, he should just use acid to negate his regen because it would be useless to simple attack him with average attacks , also tbh, not really
Adam would obviously be stopped in place by the sheer aura of N so that he doesn't dodge the acid.
She already showed her skill against all of them three which including the same Uzi, so you can't say that she doesn't have a good skill and combat while showing a good sword thrust.
Teleporting and overwhelming someone with your abilities is not a good showcase of combat. She doesn't just run to them and fight them hand-2-hand.
In pre revisions, his holy light was light speed , no ?
Literally never was.
N should just adapt to Adam combat, and then try to negate him and his dura with regen trough acid, I just don't see why Adam shouldn't underestimate N and shi talk about him in the process of the fight (like he did with Alastor) , which should make his position against N only worse.
Something that he never even uses.

He would underestimate N yes, but he was still dodging attacks from people he underestimates.
 
Because their 2 different types of Regeneration negation
1) Angelic weapons negate durability via soul erasure, in other words, attacking the soul.
2) Nanite acid negates regeneration by corrosion and nano technology.
Angelic weapons don't negate durability, they negate immortality, and that's unrelated to how they negate regeneration, because sinners have High-Mid regeneration alongside Low-Godly.

In which corrosion is breaking down of the materials, he'd still regenerate after it fully happens.
The second thing he does against Uzi
That's not starting with it.
It's a difference of 2.4 times... Plus there's the factor that N's weapon's also scale above him
Which weapons?
We are really downplaying how well Cyn fought btw
Make an actual argument regarding that or don't reply to it.
How exactly is he supposed to? Also he never got a chance to fully fight Eldritch J due to the exploding railgun
He quite literally had many chances to fly to her and do that, yet never did.
Why would he? He wasn't exactly fighting her?
N can literally regenerate her, and she too can regenerate.
This is the only reasonable argument in this section. But even then, due to Cyn's fighting style of simply teleporting, or creating hollowgrams to trick them, it simply wasn't worth it and he was better off going "Stab Stab".
He didn't even try and attempt it, yet was able to cut her head off.
False correlation. What does Adam have that works like N's saliva specifically designed to stop the nanite acid from working.
The point that he can still regenerate after it fully corrodes whichever body part it hit?
 
Didn't use it against V
That’s normal, he’s not trying to hurt her, let alone kill her.

Didn't use it against Eldritch J
So even if he only used it at the end, the fight was short—so in reality, he used it quickly.

Didn't use it against possessed Uzi.
same as for V.

Didn't use it against Cyn.
The only point where I agree, but at the same time he struggled against her in close combat so it was harder to throw the nanites at her.

He'd still regenerate fully after a short time. N's saliva was able to regenerate Uzi's hand after it got hit with the acid, whether or not it stopped after that short time, Adam would still regenerate from it after it stops or if it can be regenerated from while it's happening.
N’s saliva was able to regenerate her because it also neutralizes the nanites, regeneration wouldn’t have been possible without first neutralizing them, which Adam can’t do.

That's not how speed equalization works. They both get equalized to the smaller value, which in this case they'd both be at Adam's value (FTL.)
If you want, but it doesn’t change my argument.

If you're assuming Adam's holy light is SoL because of it's name, then don't, because per wiki standards, that's not how it works. Again, I'm talking about Adam's attack speed in general, not just his holy light.
Indeed, you’re right, so that would mean It’s below the speed of light.

But in any case, if their speed is equalized, N is still able to dodge his attacks and regenerate if he gets hit and even if he’s severely injured, he can switch to his eldritch form to regenerate.
 
Corrosion would make something slowly break down. N's acid didn't fully destroy Uzi's hand, it only affected the part it hit.
1. Uzi blocked his tail while N tried to target her CPU/proccesor, so she couldn't able to fight back (so N should just target his head to slow his prepection, in procces to kill him )
2. It's temporally destroyed Nori body which should only make her suffer, proccesing to eat her body alive what we still don't know what happened to her Body itself (so it's possible just corrused due acid)
What analysis? He's just seeing what happened due to his faulty memory. He never uses that in any fight we've seen.
Please watch it carefully, it says that he detected Uzi special plot ability.
You also can ignore it in the fact that he used it against Uzi anyway.
Adam would obviously be stopped in place by the sheer aura of N so that he doesn't dodge the acid.
I mean, of you allowing the fact that Cyn shouldn't able to use forcefield when N tried to get closer, should said that absolute solver can block it
Teleporting and overwhelming someone with your abilities is not a good showcase of combat. She doesn't just run to them and fight them hand-2-hand.
That's not true, she literally showed that she the same sword including her tentacles and claws
He would underestimate N yes, but he was still dodging attacks from people he underestimates.
But he still shi talk a lot, which should just let him make his position weaker due the fact that N will just start to adapt to his combat
 
Angelic weapons don't negate durability, they negate immortality, and that's unrelated to how they negate regeneration, because sinners have High-Mid regeneration alongside Low-Godly.
That's mb I meant to say "negate regeneration"
Either way,
In which corrosion is breaking down of the materials, he'd still regenerate after it fully happens
Simply saying, 'he'd regenerate after' is not an argument
That's not starting with it.
Kinda off is when you realise the first thing he does is slam on the ground...
Which weapons?
Are we fr? "Which weapons"
Literally all of them have one shotted WDs or DDs one time or another.
Make an actual argument regarding that or don't reply to it.
Watch the show properly before downplaying it or don't enter this argument.
Cyn was actually skillfully using her solver abilities and showed mastery with her sword...
He quite literally had many chances to fly to her and do that, yet never did.
???
N entered the fight here and the fight ended like 10 seconds later + given the fact that the railgun was about to explode, using nanite acid instead of keeping J away from them would have been a terrible idea.
N can literally regenerate her, and she too can regenerate.
What is the point here??? There was no fight between N and Uzi, hence he didn't have to use any of his weapons.
He didn't even try and attempt it, yet was able to cut her head off.
Because she didn't give them time to breathe? And I already told you why he was reliant on the good old "Stab Stab" rather than Nanite Acid(which you did not debunk here btw)
The point that he can still regenerate after it fully corrodes whichever body part it hit?
How exactly??? You're justifying your point by repeating the same thing. I want to know how resistance angelic regen neg makes you resistant to corrosion when they are both based on different things.

And you can't even argue that the corrosion works slowly when DDs and Solver Drones have been shown to regenerate just as fast if not faster than Sinners in hell, and yet their regen could not keep up with it.
 
First of all, that value for Holy Light isn't being used since its a lowball. Right now it just upscales to Adam's speed. It's not Light speed, it breaks some of its rules I believe.

Adam directly resists the Regeneration Negation so he would be able to heal it. No we do not need a direct feat of him resisting this specific type of negation, that's an absurd thing to ask for lol. Additionally Adam is made of Light giving him Inorganic Physiology thats even beyond just simple "robots", so its debatable if the acid would even work.

N doesn't resist Adam's heat manipulation, so getting even CLOSE to Holy Light would one shot her. What feats of acrobatics does N have? Adam's beams can be as wide as tens of meters and as long as kilometers instantly.
 
First of all, that value for Holy Light isn't being used since its a lowball. Right now it just upscales to Adam's speed. It's not Light speed, it breaks some of its rules I believe.
Well, too bad, I already changed my mind about it and it get downgraded to supersonic+ from Duker reasoning.
Adam directly resists the Regeneration Negation so he would be able to heal it.
Those already was discussed
No we do not need a direct feat of him resisting this specific type of negation, that's an absurd thing to ask for lol. Additionally Adam is made of Light giving him Inorganic Physiology thats even beyond just simple "robots", so its debatable if the acid would even work.
I don't think it's a something pure light, he still should have a basic similar organic materials so I think Acid still should work
N doesn't resist Adam's heat manipulation, so getting even CLOSE to Holy Light would one shot her.
He actually has heat resistance if you read drones physiology carefully
Please, read discussion fully
 
It get downgraded to supersonic+ from Duker reasoning.
Adam's profile has everything as FTL. I don't know what you are talking about. Calculation isn't being used on the profile (since its only a lowball in case things go south)
Those already was discussed
Yeah, buddy you cannot "discuss" and ignore a resistance a character has lol. You have to prove that Ns regeneration negation is layered or drop it.
I don't think
I don't wanna sound rude but what you think does not matter. Show states he is made of pure light, so his profile accepts it as an Inorganic body made of Light.
He actually has heat resistance if you read drones physiology carefully
I saw that. Too bad it's seemingly not calculated and also looks to be a very low tier value, meanwhile Adam scales at 3,500°C. N gets one shot.

Most of these comments are literally purposefully ignoring or misinterpretating the profile. No his Regeneration Negation wont be ignored lol, No his Inorganic Physiology isn't just "golden blood", it comes from a statement. No his Holy Light isn't Supersonic or whatever, that only made in case FTL scaling goes south. If you disagree, wait for the Revisions to be completed and make a CRT for it.

Edit: Also Adam easily dodges that tail attack lmao?
 
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Adam's profile has everything as FTL. I don't know what you are talking about. Calculation isn't being used since its only a lowball in case things go south.
That's why I told you to read other past arguments carefully lol.

Yeah, buddy you cannot "discuss" and ignore a resistance a character has lol. You have to prove that Ns regeneration negation is layered or drop it.
That's why said to read it-
I guess other supporters can just explain it longer since I'm kinda to tag other arguments which I made itcc
I don't wanna sound rude but what you think does not matter. Show states he is made of pure light, so his profile accepts it as an Inorganic body made of Light.
Like I said, you talking about that Adam holy light should broke laws of physics, while ignoring the fact that it's should limped to the same Adam physiology itself, he is a " pure" light if he still some sort of weight, so it's just some special light I guess (or you can elaborate in this moment)
 
Yeah, buddy you cannot "discuss" and ignore a resistance a character has lol. You have to prove that Ns regeneration negation is layered or drop it.
This is why you were told to ******* read
I saw that. Too bad it's seemingly not calculated and also looks to be a very low tier value, meanwhile Adam scales at 3,500°C. N gets one shot.
Ts is so wrong.
It blatantly states him and Uzi being unaffected by frictional heat, which goes upto 7000 degree C for blunt objects performing a re-entry from space.
And explain how it one shots him either way.
Edit: Also Adam easily dodges that tail attack lmao?
And N dodges anything Adam throws at him
 
This is why you were told to ******* read

It blatantly states him and Uzi being unaffected by frictional heat, which goes upto 7000 degree C for blunt objects performing a re-entry from space.
Get layers or get lost chum.

No, friction at BEST case with like Meteors is 3000 from what I researched and from what your own friend is saying while Adam's CASUAL beams are 3500.
An additional 500 degrees wouldn’t make much of a difference.
Do you have any idea how big of an difference that is? Especially in Celcius? Try going in a room at 0 °C and then 500 °C.

Can I get acrobatic feats for N? I wanna see how high and how fast he can move around, additionally Adam has a skill advantage here funnily enough. So if N gets close then he just dodges, blocks all his attacks and gives him the Alastor treatment
 
Get layers or get lost chum.
This is your burden to prove how Adam's regen neg resist works on a completely different type of regen neg 'chum'.

Do that or get the **** out of this conversation.
No, friction at BEST case with like Meteors is 3000
That was a typo on my end...

Either way you have yet to prove why that should one shot N

Can I get acrobatic feats for N?
Literally the entire episode 8 fight
just dodges
N can do the same and has done so in a more coordinated manner
gives him the Alastor treatment
With an AP diff of 2.4 times?

It's past 12 lol I'm going to bed now
 
Can I get acrobatic feats for N? I wanna see how high and how fast he can move around, additionally Adam has a skill advantage here funnily enough. So if N gets close then he just dodges, blocks all his attacks and gives him the Alastor treatment
There's those ones:
 
Do you have any idea how big of an difference that is? Especially in Celcius? Try going in a room at 0 °C and then 500 °C.

Can I get acrobatic feats for N? I wanna see how high and how fast he can move around, additionally Adam has a skill advantage here funnily enough. So if N gets close then he just dodges, blocks all his attacks and gives him the Alastor treatment
What I’m saying is that for them it wouldn’t make a difference. If you can withstand 3000°C without being affected at all, then a 16.67% increase won’t change much. A simple example: if 30°C increases by 16%, it only becomes about 35°C you barely notice the difference. So for N, going from 3000°C to 3500°C, he wouldn’t notice a 16% increase either it’s logical.
 
So if N gets close then he just dodges, blocks all his attacks and gives him the Alastor treatment
I don't want to be rude too, but oh well,
I guess you didn't read drones physiology at all, while Adam should just understatement N like he did with Alastor, you still forget that N ain't shi talker like both of them, N should just start to adapt Adam combat in the middle of the fight via being adaptive ai of Adam will continue to keep shi talk instead of locking in
 
I don't want to be rude too, but oh well,
I guess you didn't read drones physiology at all, while Adam should just understatement N like he did with Alastor, you still forget that N ain't shi talker like both of them, N should just start to adapt Adam combat in the middle of the fight via being adaptive ai of Adam will continue to keep shi talk instead of locking in
If N remains elusive for too long, Adam will likely get angry and star using his ranged attacks just like what happened with Alastor and Lucifer
 
This is your burden to prove how Adam's regen neg resist works on a completely different type of regen neg 'chum'. Do that or get the **** out of this conversation.
I don't need to prove anything. N has Regeneration Negation, Adam resists it. I'd argue his resistance is even better because its magic that completely stops healing rather than just "attack continuously to stop healing". Additionally you still didn't explain WHY it would work on Adam who's made of Light
Either way you have yet to prove why that should one shot N
I don't think I need to explain why an extremely hot attack that far surpasses N's resistance would one shot him.
With an AP diff of 2.4 times?
Thats almost 3x, not too shabby. Especially when N cannot heal from the damage.

Not too bad. I don't know if it can help him dodge this though especially when he is not excepting such attack.



I don't know much about Murder Drones so I'll just not go too deep into skill stuff but N is only Average in intelligence?? Seems... weird?
If you can withstand 3000°C without being affected at all, then a 16.67% increase won’t change much.
An example I wanna give Tungsten metal can endure 3000°C just fine, stays solid but glows bright. Similar to N actually. While just at 3422°C it starts melting. On paper it's only 16% but on practice it's pretty important. Although I don't know how the wiki handles this difference.
I guess you didn't read drones physiology at all, while Adam should just understatement N like he did with Alastor, you still forget that N ain't shi talker like both of them, N should just start to adapt Adam combat in the middle of the fight via being adaptive ai of Adam will continue to keep shi talk instead of locking in
That is like one of the worst character assasination I have ever seen, did you forget what he did to Pentious?




Adam could also create a shockwave that also blinds the enemy, which should work on the drones? I believe?
 
If N remains elusive for too long, Adam will likely get angry and star using his ranged attacks just like what happened with Alastor and Lucifer
I mean, I get understand why Adam got angry at time when fights against Alastor (since he started to rage bait him) but I don't think it should be the same keys for a N
 
I don't need to prove anything. N has Regeneration Negation, Adam resists it. I'd argue his resistance is even better because its magic that completely stops healing rather than just "attack continuously to stop healing". Additionally you still didn't explain WHY it would work on Adam who's made of Light

I don't think I need to explain why an extremely hot attack that far surpasses N's resistance would one shot him.

Thats almost 3x, not too shabby. Especially when N cannot heal from the damage.

Not too bad. I don't know if it can help him dodge this though especially when he is not excepting such attack.



I don't know much about Murder Drones so I'll just not go too deep into skill stuff but N is only Average in intelligence?? Seems... weird?

An example I wanna give Tungsten metal can endure 3000°C just fine, stays solid but glows bright. Similar to N actually. While just at 3422°C it starts melting. On paper it's only 16% but on practice it's pretty important. Although I don't know how the wiki handles this difference.

That is like one of the worst character assasination I have ever seen, did you forget what he did to Pentious?




Adam could also create a shockwave that also blinds the enemy, which should work on the drones? I believe?

Hm, I'll respond it tomorrow
 
I mean, I get understand why Adam got angry at time when fights against Alastor (since he started to rage bait him) but I don't think it should be the same keys for a N
Adam isn't exactly hard to get angry. If his attacks keep getting dodged (which isn't guaranteed btw), he'll eventually get mad and start spamming his beams
 
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