TABS 8-B updates (old, there will be a new one with better suggestions and arguments)

[JustANormalLemon]

Verse: Totally Accura Battle Simulator

First of all: we have the updated calc that makes part of the verse 8-B that was recently accepted
Calc

So all 8-B troops in the verse should be updated to the new calc

Agree: Greg_the_master_of_gods

Disagree:

Second part: I belive all unities should be updated to 8-B, for a simple reason, every unity can damage one another

currently we use the price of the unities to determine if they should be 9-B or 8-B based if they are equal or above thors price of 2200, this is extremely flawed, a lot of unities like the King can heavely damage Thor and take a lot of hits from them, I belive the entire verse should be updated to 8-B sinse the scaling of the verse is much closer then It seens

Deciding the AP and Dura of the unities based on the price is simply flawed way to scale the verse and sinse all unities can damage or even defeat one another they should scale to aone another, exemple, we currently have Thor as the main baseline feat that gave the verse their 8-B ranking, Zeus can tank multiple attaacks from thor, cheftians can do heavy damage to zeus, we can keep going untill every character downscales from thor feat

A lot of unities that are currently 9-B but can survive multiple hit's from Thor have 9-B durability while this is blantly a durability feat, also every unity should scale to their dura sinse they can fight then selfs easily

Alternativaly we could have unities scale to thor if they do at least 50% of thor hammer explosion in damage and in dura if they have at least 50% of thor health

Agree completly:

Only unities that can tank a hit from Thor or can one shoot fodder(like peasants) should scale to 8-B: Rex_Eckles

Disagree:

third part: Zeus, there is a achivment called "superior god" about killing zeus with thor or Vice versa, this shows that zeus is comparable to Thor so zeus should be upgraded to 8-B

Agree

Disagree

 

[JustANormalLemon]

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[JustANormalLemon]

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[JustANormalLemon]

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[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

I think that all characters SHOULD NOT be upscaled to 8-B because even if they do SOME damage to them, some don't do real substantial damage, i think we should get the damage that thor does and every unit that can do atleast 75% of his damage can upscale from that but all the others don't, in game for example, even if a hobbit TECHNICALLY can damage thor and giants and all, you have to wait and wait with the other unit completely still for it to cause real damage or kill it, i disagree with all units getting this upscale.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I think that all characters SHOULD NOT be upscaled to 8-B because even if they do SOME damage to them, some don't do real substantial damage, i think we should get the damage that thor does and every unit that can do atleast 75% of his damage can upscale from that but all the others don't, in game for example, even if a hobbit TECHNICALLY can damage thor and giants and all, you have to wait and wait with the other unit completely still for it to cause real damage or kill it, i disagree with all units getting this upscale.

fair, I would disagree thanks to how massive the chain scaling can be, but scaling based on the damage that they do is a smart idea, counted

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

fair, I would disagree thanks to how massive the chain scaling can be, but scaling based on the damage that they do is a smart idea, counted

Thanks man, i made literally now a content revision checking the TABS profiles and finding something i saw as a mistake, can you check it ? Here it is

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Impact:	250 – 500
Explosion:	240

This is the value of damage Thor hammer does, It does 250 to 500 base damage + 240 damage from the following explosion, we probable can guess that the explosion damage is the thing that made the crater so we can base the damage on It

 

[Greg_the_master_of_gods]

Impact:	250 – 500
Explosion:	240

This is the value of damage Thor hammer does, It does 250 to 500 base damage + 240 damage from the following explosion, we probable can guess that the explosion damage is the thing that made the crater so we can base the damage on It

Dude go to sleep or atleast hide you're still awake, but i agree tho, get the damages of other units and use it to base if they scale or not, seems fine to me

 

[JustANormalLemon]

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[JustANormalLemon]

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[Rex_Eckles]

I like the second option, I'm not completely sure about option 1. Are there units that are oneshot by Thor?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I like the second option, I'm not completely sure about option 1. Are there units that are oneshot by Thor?

Yes, mostly glass cannons or cannon fodder unities like musketers or halflings

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Yes, mostly glass cannons or cannon fodder unities like musketers or halflings

Do they get one-shot by other cannon fodder units?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Do they get one-shot by other cannon fodder units?

not really

 

[Rex_Eckles]

not really

Ah, so those units cannot be scaled to 8-B.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Ah, so those units cannot be scaled to 8-B.

Fair, so maybe only upgrade unities that can survive a hit from thor scale?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Fair, so maybe only upgrade unities that can survive a hit from thor scale?

I second that.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Okay then, how about glass cannons?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Okay then, how about glass cannons?

As long as they oneshot the fodders, I suppose there's no contradiction for 8-B.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

thanks for the contribution

 

[Rex_Eckles]

thanks for the contribution

No problem!

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I UPDATED THE DESCRIPTION

 

[Dalesean027]

Verse: Totally Accura Battle Simulator

First of all: we have the updated calc that makes part of the verse 8-B that was recently accepted
Calc

So all 8-B troops in the verse should be updated to the new calc

Agree: Greg_the_master_of_gods

This is fine

Second part: I belive all unities should be updated to 8-B, for a simple reason, every unity can damage one another

currently we use the price of the unities to determine if they should be 9-B or 8-B based if they are equal or above thors price of 2200, this is extremely flawed, a lot of unities like the King can heavely damage Thor and take a lot of hits from them, I belive the entire verse should be updated to 8-B sinse the scaling of the verse is much closer then It seens

Deciding the AP and Dura of the unities based on the price is simply flawed way to scale the verse and sinse all unities can damage or even defeat one another they should scale to aone another, exemple, we currently have Thor as the main baseline feat that gave the verse their 8-B ranking, Zeus can tank multiple attaacks from thor, cheftians can do heavy damage to zeus, we can keep going untill every character downscales from thor feat

A lot of unities that are currently 9-B but can survive multiple hit's from Thor have 9-B durability while this is blantly a durability feat, also every unity should scale to their dura sinse they can fight then selfs easily

Alternativaly we could have unities scale to thor if they do at least 50% of thor hammer explosion in damage and in dura if they have at least 50% of thor health

This part I disagree with, we don't use gameplay damage values to scale character's stats, that's always a no go. Its pretty evident that there's a large gap between stronger units and weakers ones with stronger ones being able to 1 shot basic units or those around there. Being able to chip damage due to gameplay isn't good enough for scaling

 

[AyOgUyS]

Greg and Dale's arguments make sense to me.