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The Pirate Hunter challenges another Sword Master to a duel (Roronoa Zoro{One Piece} vs Valencina{Project Moon}) 7-0-0 (Grace)

Unless there panel where zoro say "i can create weakness where it doesn't exist"
 
"allowing him to cut objects he otherwise couldn't with strength alone"

Also if you refer to this then it's just basic thing

I mean if you cut thing at wrong angle you obviously can't cut it
 
Ubdon said:
What exactly you mean by "something he doing" cuz both sensing something and determening speed power and angle to cut are normal stuff that can be done by analysing
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the sensing only helps him in knowing the perfect necessary actions for said object to cut... that is based on the performance of the cutting and how he utilizes his blade which dura negs. Not just finding a weak point

Ubdon said:
If you wanna go "noooo it's not same cuz zoro now can cut thing he can't cut before" then same still aplies to seven assotiation that literally change resistance of thing with their analysing
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... There's legit nothing equating between the two, you're being disingenuous
Ubdon said:
Unless there panel where zoro say "i can create weakness where it doesn't exist"
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It already does say it, just not that exact wording
 
cuz scans you showed is zoro sensing weak point and cutting at perfect angle
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
the sensing only helps him in knowing the perfect necessary action for said object to cut, that is based on your performance and how he utilizes his blade that dura negs
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So it's just a Durability Negation via technique then. So my point still stands.
MonkeyOfLife said:
... There's legit nothing equating between the two, you're being disingenuous
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Zoro's Durability Negation is done via Analysis + Sword Skill which is the exact same as the Seven Association who's Durability Negation is also via Analysis +Sword Skill. So I'd say your the one being disingenuous here.
 
MysticBrawler said:
So it's just a Durability Negation via technique then. So my point still stands.
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Yes. and it doesn't, your point was the he targets weak points which isn't what he does.
MysticBrawler said:
Zoro's Durability Negation is done via Analysis + Sword Skill which is the exact same as the Seven Association who's Durability Negation is also via Analysis +Sword Skill.
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Zoro isn't exactly based on analysis, its based on him getting the knowledge from the object by reading its breath
"Recalling the teachings of his master and reading the 'breath' of Mr. 1's steel, Zoro grasped the necessary power, timing, and vital points to strike his opponent. His blade, which had previously failed to make any impact at all, sliced clean through the enemy. Its speed was nothing short of divine."

Mr.1の鉄の「呼吸」を読み (Mr. 1 no tetsu no 'kokyū' o yomi)
Translation: "...and reading the 'breath' of Mr. 1's steel,"
Context: This is the "Breath of All Things". Mr. 1 ate the Dice-Dice Fruit, making his entire body living steel. By calming his mind on the verge of death, Zoro stops relying on his sight and instead senses the spiritual "rhythm" or "breathing" of Mr. 1's steel body.
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Ubdon said:
cuz scans you showed is zoro sensing weak point and cutting at perfect angle
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soo.. Now you just ignoring everything and picking things apart so that it fits your narrative 🦧
 
"Recalling the teachings of his master and reading the 'breath' of Mr. 1's steel, Zoro grasped the necessary power, timing, and vital points to strike his opponent. His blade, which had previously failed to make any impact at all, sliced clean through the enemy. Its speed was nothing short of divine."

Mr.1の鉄の「呼吸」を読み (Mr. 1 no tetsu no 'kokyū' o yomi)
Translation: "...and reading the 'breath' of Mr. 1's steel,"
Context: This is the "Breath of All Things". Mr. 1 ate the Dice-Dice Fruit, making his entire body living steel. By calming his mind on the verge of death, Zoro stops relying on his sight and instead senses the spiritual "rhythm" or "breathing" of Mr. 1's steel body.
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"grasped the necessary power, timing, and vital points to strike his opponent" even here he just analysed and striked with at vital point with neccesary skill

"This is the "Breath of All Things". Mr. 1 ate the Dice-Dice Fruit, making his entire body living steel. By calming his mind on the verge of death, Zoro stops relying on his sight and instead senses the spiritual "rhythm" or "breathing" of Mr. 1's steel body." just cuz he sensed weak point and not seen them doesn't change anything
 
Again where he stated to create and not sense that breath on oponent
 
Ubdon said:
"grasped the necessary power, timing, and vital points to strike his opponent" even here he just analysed and striked with at vital point with neccesary skill

"This is the "Breath of All Things". Mr. 1 ate the Dice-Dice Fruit, making his entire body living steel. By calming his mind on the verge of death, Zoro stops relying on his sight and instead senses the spiritual "rhythm" or "breathing" of Mr. 1's steel body." just cuz he sensed weak point and not seen them doesn't change anything
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HE. GAINS. KNOWLEDGE. A UNDERSTANDING. OF. WHAT. TO. DO, he does not analyze anything, he automatically understands. that's the biggest difference

That's like trying to say a boxer in real life have the same as future sight whenever he predicts
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
HE. GAINS. KNOWLEDGE. A UNDERSTANDING. OF. WHAT. TO. DO, he does not analyze anything, he automatically understands. that's the biggest difference
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But the core of it being dura neg via knowing weakness is still same
 
Ubdon said:
The scan with steel guy
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No, I showed Zoro utilizing his breath of all things with his swords following his will, and that way he can not cut something that he doesn't wanna cut and the opposite

his blade follows his will
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
No, I showed Zoro utilizing his breath of all things with his swords following his will, and that way he can not cut something that he doesn't wanna cut and the opposite

his blade follows his will
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So he skilled with sword and knows how to cut alr seven assoc also can change resistance
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
HE. GAINS. KNOWLEDGE. A UNDERSTANDING. OF. WHAT. TO. DO, he does not analyze anything, he automatically understands. that's the biggest difference

That's like trying to say a boxer in real life have the same as future sight whenever he predicts
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Analysis done via one's sixth sense and/or instinct is still analysis. With that said, the method used to achieve said analysis being slightly different doesn't change the fact that his Durability Negation just boils down to him just knowing where he should strike and how much speed and force he should apply in order to easily cut through his target. As such once again my point still stands.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
on where it's accepted on their profiles where they do the same thing as Zoro
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I believe it's was counted either under rupture cuz those 2 related and in durability negation or under statistic reduction for blocking section



It's gacha games so listing all debuffs that exist in game is simply meaninless cuz they add those each update and franky speaking supporters are not as active to add each case
 
MysticBrawler said:
So are you arguing that Zoro shouldn't have Information Analysis in his profile then?
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Knew you were going to say this, no... It's not listed as just Information Analysis for a reason

Not all Information analysis are the same

the Information analysis comes from gaining the perfect information automatically, the "analysis" is already being done and executed by his blade after reading and understanding the breath
 
Ubdon said:
It's gacha games so listing all debuffs that exist in game is simply meaninless cuz they add those each update and franky speaking supporters are not as active to add each case
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Other reason is cuz character that inflict that currently have no profile

Maybe once they get added with their optional equip we can add "resist input optional equip"
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
Knew you were going to say this, no... It's not listed as just Information Analysis for a reason

Not all Information analysis are the same

the Information analysis comes from gaining the perfect information automatically, the "analysis" is already being done and executed by his blade
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Well my point was that the method the Zoro use to obtain the information that he uses is completely irrelevant as what matters is how he uses said information. And in this case he uses it to target his opponent's body's in a way that makes it easier to cut them. So once again my point still stands.
 
Ubdon said:
Other reason is cuz character that inflict that currently have no profile

Maybe once they get added with their optional equip we can add "resist input optional equip"
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either way it does not exist on Valencia's page
 
MysticBrawler said:
Well my point was that the method the Zoro use to obtain the information that he uses is completely irrelevant as what matters is how he uses said information. And in this case he uses it to target his opponent's body's in a way that makes it easier to cut them. So once again my point still stands.
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infinitely again, your point will never stand because he doesn't just target someone's weak point... He grasps and understands objects, and by knowing that he creates a weak point by utilizing the necessary power, timing, and vital points to strike
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
either way it does not exist on Valencia's page
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If block can deflect all statuses

And it's status that wasn't shown to be exception

Why should there be need for that specific if she already has resist to ability from other status
 
Ubdon said:
If block can deflect all statuses

And it's status that wasn't shown to be exception

Why should there be need for that specific if she already has resist to ability from other status
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on vsbw that's how we do things, it needs to be accepted first and added to the profiles.

Either way Zoro has blitz techniques so it doesn't matter
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
the object...? He isn't targeting anything (in this case the weak point, based what you're trying to say)
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The scan that you yourself gave clearly states that he targets one's vital points(i.e weakpoints) in order to make use of his Limited Durability Negation.
 
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