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Ben 10: Mana page overheal and updates (Need staffs)

You literally just wrote "Mana has no laws" when Beezel made no mention of Mana and the statement in context is just him explaining why he dislikes magic due to how easily it serves as the answer to problems, none of which has Jack shit to do with anything that comes after the word "Law" or any of the other scans you arbitrarily strung to it to form that asinine "justification"
You literally don't even has an knowledge on magic is one of mana names. As it literally stated that magic isn't exist in verse only mana
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Mana is energy you use to perform magic, you cannot arbitrarily attribute randoms application of magic and spells to being inherent properties of the energy that is "Mana"
Mana is magic itself, it literally stated in page
It is equivalent to saying that Chakra in Naruto is made of space and time because Space-time Ninjitsu can be performed...
What?
Beezel literally says the words "Magic" over and over again, so no clearly it exists in verse.
Magic=Mana
Spells are not true names, point out a single scan saying any variation of the exact words "All Spells are True Names of X".
Spells is True Name, it literally is:
Whoever it accept before, so it's not problem
Post it or drop the claim.

There's no hierarchy of how fundamentality between true names & mana, Mana itself is about as fundamental as basis life force. Gwen, possessed by Dagon, was draining Mana from things like trees and they just withered rather than ceased to exist which would have happened if Mana was any degree of conceptually relevant as opposed to just a variant of life force.
It accept that Mana is fundamental concept, and more fundamental then True Name
Absorb mana≠Absorb concept itself, it simple draw life from them without even affecting concept itself
Mana is the energy used to perform magic, People like Ben and every living thing have "Mana" but that doesn't mean they can automatically perform "Magic".
It use to perform magic, but magic has many examples in verse like Mana and True Name, as Magic isn't real, only mana and spells
If Mana = Magic in the way you imply literally every living thing would be capable of performing magic and things like having to learn spells or use spellbooks like Gwen has done throughout the series wouldn't happen
What? They need mana to live not for performing magic.
Mana isn't a person, "Mana" isn't "remembering" anything, Hex didn't even "remember", he just learned of the omf timeline via means unknown.

You cannot extrapolate that to claim that Mana is Acausal especially when other people who have access to Mana remember nothing and sources of Mana like Gwen (A literal anodite) didn't "remember" shit
Is still proof that Mana are unaffected by it, since the things Mana keeps it like changing time event, don't change
Hex is a human and he's the one that had the knowledge of the part timeline.
Also Gwen
You can't just arbitrarily use him to claim ALL Mana is inherent Acausal then when it's pointed out that other users of Mana don't learn of the timeline change decide that now it's different.
They literally don't even made of mana, they only use it
Pocket dimension in literally every verse that exist within the bounds of the universe can have different time, that had literally 0 correlation with ACAUSALITY
Unless time is system of cause and effect, like this wiki says:
Note: Being completely independent of space, time, laws, or similar forces does not make you completely independent of causality without the relationship between these forces and causality being clarified, with it only being considered as evidence for an irregular relationship with causality otherwise
and again I want to point out that you managed to simultaneously claim Mana is beyond SPATIO-TEMPORAL DIMENSIONS and that a dimension entirely made of Mana has both time and space, of slightly different than normal.
"Dimension" and "Energy" is different, energy is make Legerdomain has space-time, as it's which made it
You can't be serious


That's not how that works by your asinine logic any ******* idiot with a range limited time stop or time slow would get ACAUSALITY.
And it has nothing to do with manipulating time with acausality?? Lol
A slightly faster rate of time progression has no correlation to a different system of causality.
It literally says aren't parallel, so it's different system of cause and effect
The "evidence" is ass
If you thinking is ass, you need to see your knowledge on verse in first place
We've reached a point where OP & the other guy simultaneously believe

A) Magic doesn't exist, only Mana:

B) Mana is the substance of Magic:


The sheer ineptitude of it boggles the mind, this truly is the encapsulation of Ben 10 Scaling on here
She means true names here, since she literally says her powers (Mana) substance of magic, like Charmcaster was use "magic" word as true name. (True Names and Mana are called magic many times)
 
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The attempted retcon with Verdona in alien force didn't stick, Mana became a life force Expy used to fuel magic but "Magic" remains.
The fact that you think that shit is exclusive to just AF is ******* crazy.

You're heavely ignoring all context of the verse and just straight up being an idiot.
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Like I said, a result of Mods basically not putting this verse under any good scrutiny and refusing to click these links
Magnificent way of showing how big your ego is.
3 - 5 mods of both knowledgeable and not knowledgeable members that took months to conclude is not scrutiny enough.
 
i still cant believe cm 1 got accepted but it is what it is
I think i have been one of those person that has stopped the verse from getting even CM type 3 for long time, as long as several months, since i know how specific the evidence needs to be for it to be Conceptual manp. I even laid out what is needed there for Mana being concepts and discussed for several posts for why verse doesn't qualify. Eventually tho, i was provided with enough proof that were irrefutable and enough for CM type 2 (Type 1 was accepted later in threads). I can say for sure that the amount of evidence Ben 10 has for CM, many other verses has been accepted for even less. As much as it was surprising, its not like me to deny the verses of having what evidences imply just because they don't align with my personal opinions.
 
I think i have been one of those person that has stopped the verse from getting even CM type 3
literally
You both fools!
here it is
Way Big Calculation !!!!
 
I was checking then noticed Imgur is being used for scans, I suggest to use either some sort of scan blog pr Catbox for uploading scans. Imgur is not reliable.

Due to recurring issues with Imgur deleting scans without prior warning in certain cases, and Gyazo restricting viewing to the 10 most recent uploaded images, their use is discouraged. Instead, we recommend using Catbox (link), and the wiki itself (link) as primary hosts for free file hosting services for media needed for profiles or blogs, While those are the preferred options, Imgchest (link) is also recommended as a secondary host if the others aren't working for you. The wiki often works well, but full-page comic scans are not allowed to be uploaded due to copyright issues, the file limit is rather small, workarounds must be done to present multiple files in series or with descriptions, and they can't be properly embedded on our forum. Catbox avoids most of these issues, with a very generous file limit, but requires an account to add descriptions or create albums, and is blocked in Australia as well as by some ISPs. Imgchest, while reliable, is newer than our primary hosts and is thus recommended as a secondary option.
 
I was checking then noticed Imgur is being used for scans, I suggest to use either some sort of scan blog pr Catbox for uploading scans. Imgur is not reliable.
It would take me time to do this, but I would do it for my lady
 
Acausality and law stuff should be removed for reason already stated. Reading rest.
 
Law stuff isn't in OP, but Acausality? Is due to Mana can work on different space-time/causality
I don't find evidence of it being sufficient. Manna already has spacetime stuff and control over it due to true name. All hex will have to do is name it and he will know whatever he want to know across spacetime.
 
I don't find evidence of it being sufficient. Manna already has spacetime stuff and control over it due to true name. All hex will have to do is name it and he will know whatever he want to know across spacetime.
It makes up entire dimensions that has different laws of space-time, Magic in Marvel has similar thing:
  • Due to both having existed well before time itself did, as well as making up the mystic realms which have entirely different laws of time and space compared to the normal universe, this makes magic energy itself an Acausal (Type 4) energy, though this does not apply to the nature of individuals who simply use magic.
Acausality Type 4 says:
Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This has the potential to grant them resistances to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others, depending on its shown capabilities which should be specified on the given page.
 
There is a difference between being able to manipulate a concept and being a concept. Magic/Mana is not a concept, as even magic itself has a name, showing that while magic can manipulate names, it itself is not a name, and therefore not a concept.
Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Conceptual & Text]; Anodites are spirits, a life energy of all nature. They exist as one with cosmic mana, being non-physical beings that are embodiments of fundamental concept.)
Same issue as above.

Everything else seems fine aside from the Intelligence staff.

All the feats for Gwen are already on her Intelligence Profile, and are marked as Genius; there's no reason for it to change. As for Ben, being a better user of the Omnitrix is a BIQ Feat, and the rest is nowhere close to being enough for Extraordinary Genius.

Lastly, programming an already-made device does not count as Supergenius; if he had made it, it would be different. The rest of the feats don't qualify either.
 
There is a difference between being able to manipulate a concept and being a concept. Magic/Mana is not a concept, as even magic itself has a name, showing that while magic can manipulate names, it itself is not a name, and therefore not a concept.

Same issue as above.
It was accepted before, and also Mana governing both (magic and true names; it also powers them and also true names are "magic" )
All the feats for Gwen are already on her Intelligence Profile, and are marked as Genius; there's no reason for it to change.
Only one feat, other aren't in profile, also she is superior to Kevin, ane even stated to be "brain of team"
As for Ben, being a better user of the Omnitrix is a BIQ Feat, and the rest is nowhere close to being enough for Extraordinary Genius.
He should be comparable to Gwen, since he has 95 in test which is close to Gwen.
Lastly, programming an already-made device does not count as Supergenius; if he had made it, it would be different. The rest of the feats don't qualify either.
He outsmarted Paradox who has Supergenius, as well as able to program CTB, to destroy timelines
 
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It was accepted before, and also Mana governing both (magic and true names; it also powers them and also true names are "magic" )
Again, governing something is not the same as being something.
Only one feat, other aren't in profile, also she is superior to Kevin, ane even stated to be "brain of team"
Kevin being worst as computers than Gwen doesn't mean she can do everything he can mechanically. Likewise, being the brains of the team means she does most of the thinking, but that doesn't mean she knows technology as well as Kevin.
He should be comparable to Gwen, since he has 95 in test which is close to Gwen.
We don't know the contents of the plumber's test, so this is supporting evidence at most.
He outsmarted Paradox who has Supergenius, as well as able to program CTB, to destroy timelines
Outsmarting someone doesn't suddenly scale you to their intelligence, and again, programming a pre-made weapon is very different than making one.

You can hack a missile silo, but that doesn't mean you know how to make a missile, and one of Supergenius's entryways is making technology that can affect High 3-A and above.
 
Again, governing something is not the same as being something.
I meant, Mana is manifestation of magic, true names was stated to be magic

Kevin being worst as computers than Gwen doesn't mean she can do everything he can mechanically. Likewise, being the brains of the team means she does most of the thinking, but that doesn't mean she knows technology as well as Kevin.


We don't know the contents of the plumber's test, so this is supporting evidence at most.
It literally says Extraordinary Genius:
Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Intelligence#cite_note-1"><span>[</span>Note 1<span>]</span></a> and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations. This is where super scientists of exceptional scientific knowledge begin to appear.
Also, Plumber tests also include repairing starship, an very-high technology.
Outsmarting someone doesn't suddenly scale you to their intelligence, and again, programming a pre-made weapon is very different than making one.

You can hack a missile silo, but that doesn't mean you know how to make a missile, and one of Supergenius's entryways is making technology that can affect High 3-A and above.
So Vilgax would be at least Extraordinary Genius?
 
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