A princess fights a delinquent kid

[XxZetsuxX]

Manjiro Sano (Kid) VS Alexia Midgar

Rules:

• Speed is equalised.
• No prep time or prior knowledge for both
• Starting Distance: 10 meters
• Mikey starts in base but has access to DI
• Location: Forest
• Mikey's AP: 136 KJ
• Alexia's AP: 15 KJ, higher with Iris's swordsmanship, far higher with magic

	Mikey's advantages: AP and Dura Advantage Better Amps Stamina Advantage (Energy Exertion)	Tokyo Manji Gang Founder - Buzzflightyear, Vzearr, Dinozxd, Astral_Trinity439, DemonicDude, Azertyhuuh, Ultimate-Rex1
	Alexia's advantages: Higher LS Higher IQ No diffs in skill Range More Experienced Better Stamina (Pain and Injury Tolerance) More Analytical	Second Princess of Midgar Kingdom - XxZetsuxX, Syncornize, TheHuntsman1001, Fezzih_007, Doggo, Thermor, VladimirMakarov317, Zefra3011, RoggerReggor, Nonynho, MannyQ361

 

[Dinozxd]

This is a one shot in Mikey's favor, no?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This is a one shot in Mikey's favor, no?

Not quite

Alexia upscales by a no diff her value in all stats and also has 2 dmg reduction abilities = DMG reduction + Force Field Creation

 

[Dinozxd]

Alexia upscales by a no diff her value in all stats and also has 2 dmg reduction abilities = DMG reduction + Force Field Creation

The difference between 136 KJ and 15 KJ is 9x. That's already at one shot range as far as I know. Kid Mikey also no diffs his value and beyond. The 136 KJ feat comes from a dude comparable to middle school no name delinquents. Mikey was able to no diff multiple high school delinquents in seconds in this key. He can also casually damage Shinichiro who can no diff multiple older delinquents.

Assuming that her no diffing her value and Mikey no diffing his value and beyond, somehow negate each other. We still have a 9x difference in AP. Adding Dark Impulse into the mix makes this a 9x + one shot AP difference. Her damage reduction and forcefield creation seems to lack quantifiable proof to negate an AP difference this much as far as I can see from her profile tbh.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The difference between 136 KJ and 15 KJ is 9x. That's already at one shot range as far as I know. Kid Mikey also no diffs his value and beyond. The 136 KJ feat comes from a dude comparable to middle school no name delinquents. Mikey was able to no diff multiple high school delinquents in seconds in this key. He can also casually damage Shinichiro who can no diff multiple older delinquents.

Assuming that her no diffing her value and Mikey no diffing his value and beyond, somehow negate each other. We still have a 9x difference in AP. Adding Dark Impulse into the mix makes this a 9x + one shot AP difference. Her damage reduction and forcefield creation seems to lack quantifiable proof to negate an AP difference this much as far as I can see from her profile tbh.

The 9x gap is easily closed with the abilities i mentioned

As for the DI, sure, but he needs to hit her first, DI is also not his starting move

Also, one wrong move from Mikey and it's over, a sword attack is no joke

 

[Zefra3011]

I'll try to go a little bit in depth since, for once, I know both verses.

Ap and durab:
Mikey has better feats, but the "higher" with magic is the equivalent of a superhuman compared to an average person. Their LS and Speed are above most animals by merely using magic, Ap shouldn't differ. If you also take into account that Alexia has piercing damage and pressure points, she should be all good to damage Mikey. Numbers-wise, Mikey should deal good damage if he lands hits tho.

I also don't recall how good DI is for Mikey in this key.

Skill:
I don't think there's much to say. Mikey takes precision, via the bottle feat, while Alexia takes nearly everything else that matters in H2H imo. She showed to be much more calculative, even while taken by surprise, she also has Info An and Anpr. Sheer technique is also debatable, but I think Alexia edges out. She showed much more conscious understanding of what she can do and has statements of mastering the basics of combat, which would also include spatial awareness, which leads to the last point.

Range:
Alexia has a sword, eh... She can keep Mikey in check much easier than it is for Mikey to close the distance between them, while avoiding one of his arteries being cut. Mikey won't even be able to get close and utilize his signature kick. Not sure how Mikey deals in these situations, but I do not believe he can efficiently adapt via lack of feats for... nearly everything skill-related.

Leaning towards Alexia, mainly due to the skill gap.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I’m also leaning toward Alexia.

Since she is more skilled, she has a higher chance of landing more hits on Mikey. It’s also in character for her to target vital pressure points like the heart and jugular. Given that Mikey has no feats of fighting someone who outscales him in skill by a large margin, it’s likely that he would be defeated before he can activate his DI

 

[Syncornize]

The difference in AP and Durability is undeniable, but I think it can be mitigated by piercing damage and pressure point targeting, especially when combined with magic enhancement.

They are both martial fighters, but with very different characteristics. Mikey has never fought high-level swordsmen comparable to Alexia Midgar, and in general, he doesn’t face againist bladed weapons. He lacks feats or the means to properly contend with a trained swordsman.

Mikey has also shown difficulty when facing opponents with predictive abilities, which is something Alexia possesses. When you add her capacity to create openings and strike vital points areas a street fighter is not used to defending it makes the matchup significantly easier for her.

Thanks to her sword, Alexia has a much greater range advantage, putting Mikey at a disadvantage since he must close the distance. Looking at Mikey’s fight with Izana, it’s clear that he struggles against prediction-based fighting styles. I can easily see Alexia winning defensively through counterattacks, severely incapacitating Mikey or outright killing him due to critical injuries, if not finishing him immediately.

A character like Mikey, who primarily relies on his physical superiority even with solid martial skill doesn’t realistically have a way to overcome someone who is technically far superior.

Alexia mogs.

 

[Vzearr]

This is a stomp.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This is a stomp.

How?

 

[Vzearr]

How?

Complete AP stomp? Also, Mikey's abilities in DI don't even apply to his kid key, his DI gets stronger over time, so lets say we abolish the AP stomp, Mikey in his kid key is completely unknown as to how strong he is.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Complete AP stomp? Also, Mikey's abilities in DI don't even apply to his kid key, his DI gets stronger over time, so lets say we abolish the AP stomp, Mikey in his kid key is completely unknown as to how strong he is.

AP stomp gets negated outside of DI.

As mentioned above, she upscales her value by a no diff and has two abilities that help with AP: damage reduction and force field creation.

On top of that, Alexia can one-shot him with pressure point strikes to the heart or jugular. She also has information analysis, allowing her to gauge her opponent’s strength, and ANPR, which lets her predict attacks. Assuming Mikey can easily land hits while she has range advantage with a sword is just wild.

 

[Vzearr]

As mentioned above, she upscales her value by a no diff

Cool, so does Mikey. It's still an AP stomp.

so lets say we abolish the AP stomp, Mikey in his kid key is completely unknown as to how strong he is.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Cool, so does Mikey. It's still an AP stomp.

Still doesn't change the fact that;

1. She can also one shot with PP strikes, and it's actually in character for her to do so
2. Mikey needs to bypass her ANPR
3. Mikey needs to bypass her range with the sword

so lets say we abolish the AP stomp, Mikey in his kid key is completely unknown as to how strong he is.

Not sure what you mean with this

 

[Vzearr]

Not sure what you mean with this

I'm not even gonna respond to the other stuff.

Mikey is literally unknown in his kid key for almost all of his abilities in DI. Those abilities come from his higher keys.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I'm not even gonna respond to the other stuff.

Mikey is literally unknown in his kid key for almost all of his abilities in DI. Those abilities come from his higher keys.

His abilities is what is in his kid key, i don't follow, Dino said his DI still has;

Fear, perception, stats amp, rage power and multiple selves

 

[Vzearr]

His abilities is what is in his kid key, i don't follow, Dino said his DI still has;

Fear, perception, stats amp, rage power and multiple selves

Dino's wrong.

Stat amp is wrong.

Fear is possibly wrong.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Then just restrict DI

Edit: or not, personally i don't see the difference

 

[Vapidhoe]

kid Mikey c̶u̶z̶ ̶I̶ ̶s̶a̶i̶d̶ ̶s̶o̶, cuz that AP and Dura difference is disgusting

 

[Zefra3011]

Assuming that her no diffing her value and Mikey no diffing his value and beyond, somehow negate each other.

Comparing a one-shot gap, or even two, to an amp that from 'human' makes you stomp IRL animals is laughable. Also, just pointing out this: now Mikey has Pressure Points, so his one-shots, as he hits the temple, can derive from that as well, rather than sheer strength, making the gaps less impressive.

I'm not even arguing that she has a higher AP; she has the lower number. I don't even care if Mikey can potentially one-shot her. But she definitely can damage him in the weak points with piercing damage with such an amp.

At the same time, for those saying she can one-shot by attacking the PP is wrong lol. She can do *****, just not that easily.

The actual debate would be more if Alexia could handle the fight while keeping up against such a gap.

 

[Vzearr]

Then just restrict DI

Edit: or not, personally i don't see the difference

What? Mikey doesn't have half the abilities you're trying to use. Sorry but I don't get it.

 

[Dinozxd]

The 9x gap is easily closed with the abilities i mentioned

How?

As for the DI, sure, but he needs to hit her first, DI is also not his starting move

It is because he's bloodlusted by SBA.

Also, one wrong move from Mikey and it's over, a sword attack is no joke

A sword attack massively below his Durability.

but the "higher" with magic is the equivalent of a superhuman compared to an average person. Their LS and Speed are above most animals by merely using magic, Ap shouldn't differ.

Most animals irl scale to 9-C btw.

If you also take into account that Alexia has piercing damage and pressure points, she should be all good to damage Mikey.

If the piercing damage doesn't have a quantifiable value (like "9-B, 9-B+ with a sword), you can't really argue that she can damage Mikey even with a sword.

While Mikey does get damaged by knives in verse, characters in his verse scale much higher than Alexia.

Dino's wrong.

Stat amp is wrong.

Fear is possibly wrong.

Ehem, I'm not.

DI's Stat amp is basically Mikey stopping holding back so it applies to all his keys. He also has the same fear hax in his kid key as his KMG key through Senju's statement.

Comparing a one-shot gap, or even two, to an amp that from 'human' makes you stomp IRL animals is laughable.

I lowkey need context as to what animals she can stomp with her magic amp. Also, no "Average Human" in fiction truly has Average Human AP lmao. I'd need more context for that too.

Also, just pointing out this: now Mikey has Pressure Points, so his one-shots, as he hits the temple, can derive from that as well, rather than sheer strength, making the gaps less impressive.

He doesn't always hit pressure points though. Also, there's not an instance where Mikey wasn't able to damage a guy, then decided to attack a PP and one shot them.

But she definitely can damage him in the weak points with piercing damage with such an amp.

I don't think so as neither her PP strikes or piercing damage are quantified in her profile.

 

[Vzearr]

They are both martial fighters, but with very different characteristics. Mikey has never fought high-level swordsmen comparable to Alexia Midgar, and in general, he doesn’t face againist bladed weapons. He lacks feats or the means to properly contend with a trained swordsman.

He's fought weapon users hundreds of times.

Mikey has also shown difficulty when facing opponents with predictive abilities,

This was before he started trying. As soon as he started trying and stopped trying to "save his brother," he dominated him despite Izana's predictive ability.

which is something Alexia possesses. When you add her capacity to create openings and strike vital points areas a street fighter is not used to defending it makes the matchup significantly easier for her.

Mikey is used to defending vital points; he's fought with martial artists who target pressure points, like Izana, Kazutora, who all aimed for his temple.

Thanks to her sword, Alexia has a much greater range advantage, putting Mikey at a disadvantage since he must close the distance. Looking at Mikey’s fight with Izana, it’s clear that he struggles against prediction-based fighting styles.

I explained this

A character like Mikey, who primarily relies on his physical superiority even with solid martial skill doesn’t realistically have a way to overcome someone who is technically far superior.

How is she far superior when one shot from Mikey kills her?

 

[Vzearr]

I also don't get this "skill gap". Mikey has done all the same things.

She has completely mastered the basics of swordsmanship, which are described as polished, refined, and devoid of excess

Mikey has done this, this is a basic average human feat.

evolving every day through effort

Mikey is doing this but with no effort, Mikey takes this.

She eventually managed to close the gap in skill against Rose, who enrolled in the academy one year earlier

Mikey outskills Baji who spends his days training whilst Mikey doesn't.

Her talent has been acknowledged by Fenrir, who possesses thousands of years of experience and skill

This doesn't prove shes more talented than Mikey who is labeled as a genius. It just implies she's talented.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Vzear, i hope you know some arguments you made are for current Mikey

Kid Mikey has not fought Izana, weapon users (as skilled as Alexia at least), fighters who targeted his PP (might be wrong here) or anything like that

 

[Vzearr]

Kid Mikey has not fought Izana, weapon users (as skilled as Alexia at least), fighters who targeted his PP (might be wrong here) or anything like that

Exactly, so why is Sync bringing up future Mikey. No offence.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

And Dino, SBA means in-character but willing to kill

Blood lust needs to be expecified, Afaik Kid Mikey is not naturally blood lusted only in DI (which he doesn't start with)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Exactly, so why is Sync bringing up future Mikey. N

Minor overlook ig but just saying Mikey ain't doing anything you said in this key

 

[Dinozxd]

And Dino, SBA means in-character but willing to kill

It's in character for Mikey to activate DI when he's willing to kill someone.

 

[Reiner04]

She can also one shot with PP strikes

...

 

[Vzearr]

If she's going to start the match and go straight for Kid Mikey's jugular, who doesn't even have much known information about him, then I doubt this isn't a stomp.

 

[Zefra3011]

Most animals irl scale to 9-C btw.

If the piercing damage doesn't have a quantifiable value (like "9-B, 9-B+ with a sword), you can't really argue that she can damage Mikey even with a sword.

I lowkey need context as to what animals she can stomp with her magic amp. Also, no "Average Human" in fiction truly has Average Human AP lmao. I'd need more context for that too.

You're overcomplicating it. I merely said the narrative gap between using magic and not is the same as a human IRL and an animal. In EIS, they can go from human speed, as in IRL, to outrun horses. When magic is explained, the average feats were lifting Class 5 boulders and outrunning horses. They didn't give us exact AP feats, but it should be comparable to the other stats' amps. If anything, other characters showed to increase Ap much more than the other stats.

He doesn't always hit pressure points though. Also, there's not an instance where Mikey wasn't able to damage a guy, then decided to attack a PP and one shot them.

Let's not lie, one of the scans to prove PP is genuinely his signature kick, it also means that to one-shot, he doesn't require the conventional "Ap gap". It's on the profile.

TR characters are shown to be damaged by 9c weapons because of piercing damage, and it's what you always argue for them as why they fear guns, rather than because of their speed. Piercing damage definitely works against TR characters; they are not immune to pressure.

I also don't get this "skill gap". Mikey has done all the same things.

I'll be blunt and totally serious. I believe Mikey is an incompetent fighter, lacks metacognition and composure, and relies mostly on stats-stomping the opponent.

Mikey's feats are basically AD > he can pick up movements quickly (useless in a h2h scenario) and Precision > the bottle feat, nice, but it's all he has. He lacks Analytical Prediction, any logical and consistent form of Information Analysis, and Instinctive Action. He also has anti-feats of falling in traps, like Kazutora's.

Alexia, on the other hand, showed an understanding of the basics of combat and was able to actually analyze the fights while keeping composure, even if taken by surprise.

 

[Vzearr]

I'll be blunt and totally serious. I believe Mikey is an incompetent fighter, lacks metacognition and composure, and relies mostly on stats-stomping the opponent.

Mikey's feats are basically AD > he can pick up movements quickly (useless in a h2h scenario) and Precision > the bottle feat, nice, but it's all he has. He lacks Analytical Prediction, any logical and consistent form of Information Analysis, and Instinctive Action. He also has anti-feats of falling in traps, like Kazutora's.

Alexia, on the other hand, showed an understanding of the basics of combat and was able to actually analyze the fights while keeping composure, even if taken by surprise.

"I believe" is not sufficient.

• Called a genius by a black belt master.
• Doesn't train yet, outskills Baji.
• Kicked a bottle cap off a sealed bottle at 4 years old.
• Has never been outskilled.
• Evolves despite not training.

Etc.

 

[Zefra3011]

"I believe" is not sufficient.

I geniuely presented anti-feats and lack of feats for important skill characteristics...

• Called a genius by a black belt master.

black belt master? uh? You have scans I don't have?

Even if. "Genius", in that contest, likely just refers to his ability to pick up on movements quickly. There's no reason to believe he has the competence of a peak human fighter IRL, given the lack of quantifiable feats.

• Doesn't train yet, outskills Baji.
• Kicked a bottle cap off a sealed bottle at 4 years old.
• Has never been outskilled.
• Evolves despite not training.

So, as I said, he has no applicable H2H AD and precision. Yes, that's what I said. He still lacks all the things I said.

 

[Syncornize]

He's fought weapon users hundreds of times.

most weapons are rudimentary, gang-style; weapons like knives or swords aren’t really the norm in TR (like kagurabachi), but I’m still referring to the fact that his fights against weapons aren’t prolonged stuff that ends in one hit without the other being able to do anything, or at least very little against randoms.

This was before he started trying. As soon as he started trying and stopped trying to "save his brother," he dominated him despite Izana's predictive ability.

don’t know where you got this from, but the person who knows Mikey best and the one who was fighting him to kill his dying friend both say he’s going all out and don’t deny that he’s holding back. Here they explain that it’s actually Izana who is slowing down due to the damage he has taken.(honestly, I would add it to Mikey’s AP key)

Mikey is used to defending vital points; he's fought with martial artists who target pressure points, like Izana, Kazutora, who all aimed for his temple.

I’m talking about more vital points, like those listed in Alexia’s profile. Hits to the temple hurt like hell, and as people who practice combat sports we know that, but they’re not like the heart.

How is she far superior when one shot from Mikey kills her?

I’m talking about skill; there’s the word “technically. but maybe placed in that sentence it could mean something else, though that’s what I meant anyway

the rest was explained well by Zefra in my opinion.

Exactly, so why is Sync bringing up future Mikey. No offence.

It was a way of saying that if a better version with added features struggles, a worse version is in a really bad spot.

 

[Syncornize]

black belt master? uh? You have scans I don't have?

i think they’re referring to his grandfather, who is his instructor

 

[Vzearr]

don’t know where you got this from, but the person who knows Mikey best and the one who was fighting him to kill his dying friend both say he’s going all out and don’t deny that he’s holding back.

"Mikey's going all out." Proceeds to be contradicted by the fact that:

1. Izana says Mikey's had it in him this whole time.
2. Mikey saying he just wants to save him.
3. Then proceeding to say, "I wanted to save you Izana." Before low diffing him.

All of his kind of proves Mikey is superior to Izana.

If she's going to start the match and go straight for Kid Mikey's jugular, who doesn't even have much known information about him, then I doubt this isn't a stomp.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Here to say that Alexia got new abilities;

Damage boost, a higher AP rating and healing

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I will post Alexia's skill feats here, just so we know what Mikey is dealing with here

• Alexia can create counters immeadiately after blocking, dodging or parrying attacks on his pressure points from a blind spot strike
• Makes no wasted movements with her basic fighting style
• Can feign weakness to catch him off-guard
• Closed a 1 year gap in a very fast time frame
• Is one of the best students in the best school of the continent
• By using her sister's swordplay she uses even more complex movements and can match opponents stronger than her (her sister is considered the best knight in the kingdom for what's worth lol)
• Her talent has been acknowledged by someone who is 1000 years worth of experience and skill
• Can make half-step movements to parry/deflect incoming attacks
• She can go for the heart, Jugular or weak points in general
• She predicts via angle, position and distance
• Has trained all her life to the point she can dodge attacks on instinct too
• Can also somewhat gauge the strenght of the opponent

 

[Vzearr]

If she's going to start the match and go straight for Kid Mikey's jugular, who doesn't even have much known information about him, then I doubt this isn't a stomp.