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I think I'll just update Vader's stats.
I really don't have the headspace to update all the Force User stats.
I really don't have the headspace to update all the Force User stats.
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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi
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To tell you the truth, to do what I want to do with Vader, I'm going to have to do this.
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Star wars canon: Force Users Stats Rework
Stats Rework Vader stats rework add More precognition scans Votes: Agree: (1) @LephyrTheRevanchist (Option 1) Neutral: (0) Disagree: (0)
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Vader's new 7-C calculus accepted.
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Because I want to rework the stats of Force Users first.
Also, Class G will be for those comparable to Vader post-Rebels, which is very few people.
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Considering that not everyone scales in LS, at least there aren't that many profiles to edit.
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Furthermore, this is probably going to be controversial considering my opinions on Vader's scaling.
The stat rework CRT also serves to put a ton of scans on Vader's AP so I have support on his profile.
The stat rework CRT also serves to put a ton of scans on Vader's AP so I have support on his profile.
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Because of the UES, anyone as strong as Vader can scale the LS.
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Star wars canon: Force Users Stats Rework
Stats Rework Vader stats rework add More precognition scans Votes: Agree: (1) @LephyrTheRevanchist (Option 1) Neutral: (0) Disagree: (0)
Oh, one thing. Please take a look at this and the staff discussion.
I don’t know if the Star Wars UES will need to be reevaluated. But if it does, I’m going to take a “break” from Star Wars to think it over. Because I’ll probably have to write a blog post about the UES in detail.
In the worst-case scenario—something I’m afraid might happen—is if telekinesis gets separated from “Force Amplification.” If that happens, I don’t think I’ll be able to fix it. The system already has difficulties with stats and scales the way we have them now; with that, it’ll basically be 2 to 3 different scales with different stats (natural/Force Amplification/telekinesis).
So yeah, I won’t be able to pull that off if it happens.
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Let us please just keep the UES without fetching a million scansStar wars canon: Force Users Stats Rework
Stats Rework Vader stats rework add More precognition scans Votes: Agree: (1) @LephyrTheRevanchist (Option 1) Neutral: (0) Disagree: (0)vsbattles.com
Oh, one thing. Please take a look at this and the staff discussion.
I don’t know if the Star Wars UES will need to be reevaluated. But if it does, I’m going to take a “break” from Star Wars to think it over. Because I’ll probably have to write a blog post about the UES in detail.
In the worst-case scenario—something I’m afraid might happen—is if telekinesis gets separated from “Force Amplification.” If that happens, I don’t think I’ll be able to fix it. The system already has difficulties with stats and scales the way we have them now; with that, it’ll basically be 2 to 3 different scales with different stats (natural/Force Amplification/telekinesis).
So yeah, I won’t be able to pull that off if it happens.
I don’t want to have to redo the Legends UES when I’ve already spent like two months gathering scans for the scaling thread.
If they do make us redo this stuff it is probably best to have a collaborative effort cause I don’t want to have to re-skim 200 books to find all the quotes.
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Not wanting to speak ill of the other Verse supporters here on the wiki, but...
Since I started the CRTs, I've generally had to do EVERYTHING myself. From planning, sandboxing, CRT creation, and CRT implementation.
Even things involving Legends, like the separation of Canon and Legends, I've had to do EVERYTHING myself.
The most help I've had is from @Hagane_no_Saiyajin with the calculations and Legends supporters like @Xavis10 and @OTG0001 for collecting scans for the canon. EDIT: @Nonynho did me a favor and applied the 7-B, since I didn't want to deal with scaling.
I'm sorry to dash your hopes, but I highly doubt there will be any collaborative effort. The most you'll achieve is if you call on those Legends supporters for help, which I think is unlikely considering the complicated relationship between you all.
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I'm willing to help if need be. Me disagreeing with some of Epyriel's takes doesn't mean I'm unable to collaborate with him on what we do agree, and considering how he treats me I'd assume he thinks similarly.
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Universal Energy System Standards
Good afternoon everybody. I'm splitting my evening in half to talk about how bad our UES page is and why it needs to be elaborated on, or at least have standards put in place for them, because there's a problem with our wiki's overindulgence in "making people scale to attacks they shouldn't...
Has anyone ever created a blog like this before? Seriously, I've asked many Star Wars CRTs for help, and although I didn't get the necessary help, I managed to do it. But this thing extremely affects the verse; it's basically become the most important thing to do. I'm not very good at creating blogs; I usually just compile content so that ordinary people have easy access to information. And all the ones I've made have been extremely simple. I'm not going to do this alone; if I can't get help, I won't do it and I'll leave the verse outdated.
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People are saying in the staff thread that not even Dragon Ball and Bleach are UES.
Yeah, Star Wars is cooked.
Yeah, Star Wars is cooked.
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Yeah I helped out with the Blood Demon Arts NPES thread. I’ll help out with a Star Wars thread if we need to redo it.Universal Energy System Standards
Good afternoon everybody. I'm splitting my evening in half to talk about how bad our UES page is and why it needs to be elaborated on, or at least have standards put in place for them, because there's a problem with our wiki's overindulgence in "making people scale to attacks they shouldn't...
Has anyone ever created a blog like this before? Seriously, I've asked many Star Wars CRTs for help, and although I didn't get the necessary help, I managed to do it. But this thing extremely affects the verse; it's basically become the most important thing to do. I'm not very good at creating blogs; I usually just compile content so that ordinary people have easy access to information. And all the ones I've made have been extremely simple. I'm not going to do this alone; if I can't get help, I won't do it and I'll leave the verse outdated.
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We're going to need it. A user mentioned in the thread that the staff should re-evaluate the verses that have UES. So both Canon and Legends will need blogs.
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The only place in Star Wars that I remember explicitly showing this "equal use of energy" is in the Fallen Order/Jedi Survivor games. Using any Force Power consumes the Force bar, and using Force Push/Force Pull and using Force attacks/movements consume the Force bar similarly.
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From the looks of it on the thread, feats showing similar energy output between different uses of the energy system shall be considered valid proof rather than just explicit statements or meters, so we just need to gather a whole bunch of feats for that in both continuities.
Off the top of my head, I remember that in the Hope trailer Satale was able to hold Malgus‘s Force-amplified lightsaber thrust with tutaminis just as readily as she did with her own lightsaber.
Maybe we should make a wiki collaboration thread to get people together to pool scans.
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We have Vader's durability calculations (8-A and 7-C), but I don't think that counts because it could be argued that it's due to his armor or something like that.
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Don't we have other characters harming him?
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Usually with a lightsaber that ignores durability, and the attack is based on heat hax, or Force lightning, which is also a type of hax.
But like, something physical, like punching Vader? Maybe some of the monsters he faces, but other Force users? I can't remember off the top of my head.
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For legends, we should also get the novel version of the same movie as I recall some passages, but it has been a long time too
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In Star Wars, many people kick each other, but to consider that "damaged enough to scale the target's durability," hmmmmm, I don't know, probably not.
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Don't we have a scene in the 2020 comics where Palps rips Vader apart with TK?
Except Vader felt it well with how loud he grunted.
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Exactly. He does it with telekinesis, not physically. Why would that help in UES?
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Didn't you read what I sent? The whole discussion is that UES is being revised and we'll need to re-evaluate it.
If we can't then --> Force Amp ≠ Telekinesis.
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At this point no verse has a UES, lol
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With lightsabers though
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Just to been clear, Telekinesis still involves the usage of the Force.
There is also the fact we still have non Force Users who technically can’t use the Force, but still have a connection via the Living Force if memories serve me right.
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Yes, but the staff's CRT requires that it be explained/demonstrated that the exact same amount of power applied to the TK (like Vader using Force Crush on a giant building) is also applied to the physicists (Force Amp in the case of Star Wars).
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Physicals as in via Fist and all.
I recall there is speed amps for Force Users and the fact we do have Galen Marek punching a wall in one of the Force Unleashed comics IIRC for Legend Stuff
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Now that I remember, when Sidious drains Rey and Ben's Force Energy, they become physically exhausted, and Sidious becomes stronger. Force Healing is also part of the process of transferring Force Energy to another being.
But I don't know if this can be used because draining their Force Energy is basically draining their life, spiritual energy, etc., since the Force composes all things.
But I don't know if this can be used because draining their Force Energy is basically draining their life, spiritual energy, etc., since the Force composes all things.
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The problem isn't using the Force to accomplish things; that's explicitly stated in both canon and legends regarding the use of the Force in basically any Force Power and physical abilities.
The problem is that they require proof that character X can use the same amount of energy in any power, for example, demonstrating that they can use the same amount of energy/power in TK as in physical abilities.
Like, how exactly do we prove something so specific? I'm almost certain that even in Legends, TK's feats far surpass the physical attributes of other characters in terms of feats (I could be wrong).
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Funny enough, that is being debated on right now as the requirement for UES especially that part is something I myself do have problems with, but never bother anyone for those concerns that lingering in my head tbh.
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Perhaps organizing all these ideas and scans to create something. But I need someone who knows how to make a good, organized blog and who knows how to explain/formulate the explanation properly. In terms of finding scans, I can do that myself and send them to the person.
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Honestly, that sequence is just total nonsense, if a Dyad in Disney is essentially the equivalent of a Force Bond in the Expanded Universe, then how are you supposed to absorb it?
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Yes and no. A dyad is more than a force bond, insofar as it has some weird unique "once in every few millennia" properties that are fueled by the Cosmic Force (like being "beyond time, space and logic", per that Book of Sith equivalent in canon that I forgot the name of).
So I'd assume what Palpatine's draining is the cosmic force fueling the dyad, as we know the "dyad itself" is there.
Now you may ask me if I think that makes sense, no I don't.
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