DC Comics : Higher Keys And Abilities Request (2B superman and such)

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All 2-Cs actually

Well barbatos to billions of universes isn't 2C, there's no anti feat of timespan to suggest it took him 69 hours to do so

Superman 1 tapping son of world forger who made these many realities shouldn't be 2C either





And these are already accepted feats, it's the tierings which is just a small jump to 2B needs to be changed

 

[Osemere]

Well barbatos to billions of universes isn't 2C, there's no anti feat of timespan to suggest it took him 69 hours to do so

Superman 1 tapping son of world forger who made these many realities shouldn't be 2C either





And these are already accepted feats, it's the tierings which is just a small jump to 2B needs to be changed

I meant that all 2-Cs would scale, not that the feats are illegitimate

 

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I meant that all 2-Cs would scale, not that the feats are illegitimate

Well you have some characters who has "varies" in their tiers

I was thinking of having "2B at peak" key for every 2C character that has "varies" key

But just "2B" key is better

 

[Ozcantabak]

Well you have some characters who has "varies" in their tiers

I was thinking of having "2B at peak" key for every 2C character that has "varies" key

Yeah but the the 2-C scaling came from weakened Supes one shotting Barbatos anyways, so if Supes or Barbatos gets upgraded then so would everyone else.

 

[Hecky2222]

Yeah but the the 2-C scaling came from weakened Supes one shotting Barbatos

 

[Hecky2222]

I'm gonna kiss you

Take your cringe words to cord before someone warns/reports you there

 

[Hecky2222]

Hecky fr :

Stop derailing

 

[FroYoSans]

I mean hard to believe that there are no antifeats.

Then again 2-C to 2-B is a very meh jump.

Not yes-ing this since bluntly, idk DC all that well, but if the staff agrees go for it.

I mean there are anti feats, it's Superman, that doesn't change that we have the strongest member of the Justice League unrionically getting negged by some of the characters. Its kind of criminal that his max is still only 2-B but st least it's moving

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Saitama and garou serious punch stars destruction feat is considered countless in vsbw despite not having "countless" statement

It just looks too many so it should qualify like how garou and Saitama got galaxy level because they fist bump countless stars to dust

Because their feat has an actual calc to it. Unless you can find or count how many universes there are in it, it would just be vaguely really high into 2-C At least.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

He one shotted the son of the world forger, who has made countless amounts of realities (shouldn't this qualify as countless? More than 1001? Look at how many movie tapes there are)

This one seems too vague without a solid number.

He has knocked out an imprisoned barbatos while dying from the anti life equation in his body (see here)

1 of barbatos accepted feat is him destroying billions of universes (see his page, idk why list as 2C, it's not like it's stated that It was overtime)

Fair enough. Agreed.

Another thing is that a writer says the time trapper operates outside normal dimensionality (action comics 1938 issue 595)

As others pointed out this would be BDE rather than Low 1-C.

Abilities and haxs additions

Speedsters, Immortality type 4 and 8 : powerless Bart Allen dies in a car crash but manages to reignite the speedforce back to life (darkseid be omegaing the speedforce), also bringing himself back to life in issue 29 of flash 2023


Mr mxyzptlks and Batmite, 11D Creation and plot manipulation : the 2 imps created an entire fake multiverse which includes orrey of worlds and ripped it apart to make batman and superman fight each other in batman/superman 2019 annual 1

Darkseid pre-flashpoint emanations, immortality negation for type 4 : it is said that there is no chance of rebirth when erase by omega beams (this is only listed as existence erasure for his page)

Dream of the endless, resistance towards information manipulation : a residence of the city of stars made a blackhole that trapped dream, this blackhole was said to have no light and information and causes pain inside of it which dream ignored in sandman overture issue 4 and 5

Add Justification for the anti monitor 2A feat of "absorbed the anti matter universe feat" : as the anti matter universe has already absorbed an infinite amounts of universes (it might confused some people on why absorbing 1 universe is 2A without context/explanation)

The proposed abilities look fine.

 

[FroYoSans]

This one seems too vague without a solid number.

To vague seems diabolical, I mean look at that pile

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

To vague seems diabolical, I mean look at that pile

For all we know, it could simply be hundreds, which in itself would still just be 2-C. Either find a proper number through statements/counting it or don't.

 

[Hecky2222]

So if 2-B passed for herald tiers, can someone list all DC characters who has 2-C scaling there

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

So if 2-B passed for herald tiers, can someone list all DC characters who has 2-C scaling there

It'd just be literally everyone of them.

I do have the list, I can just modify apply myself on the weekend if this gets through.

 

[Ozcantabak]

I think we already have 3 staff votes.

By the way, would their statistic value be "billions of universes" or something like "3 billion universes" ?

 

[FroYoSans]

For all we know, it could simply be hundreds, which in itself would still just be 2-C. Either find a proper number through statements/counting it or don't.

Ah yes the giant circle of stars who's volume could definitely be found out gets "countless" stars but the giant pile of universes gets a "2-C until you get a statement or count it all yourself"

 

[Hecky2222]

"billions of universes"

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Ah yes the giant circle of stars who's volume could definitely be found out gets "countless" stars but the giant pile of universes gets a "2-C until you get a statement or count it all yourself"

Saitama's 4-A/3-C value still has a proper calc behind it whereas this doesn't. It's not that complicated.

 

[FroYoSans]

Saitama's 4-A/3-C value still has a proper calc behind it whereas this doesn't. It's not that complicated.

Its a "proper calc" based on yall not wanting to find the surface area of their Punch and just going "Eh countless stars" but sure, fair enough

 

[FroYoSans]

Alright does THIS help anything? It covers that entire satellite

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That should be fine for now.

 

[Ozcantabak]

That should be fine for now.

Are you going to apply everything yourself ?

 

[Elizio33]

Sounds good to me, but who will scale to the 2-B Superman? Barbatos should be upgraded to straight 2-B instead of 2-C for having his scream being the "wail of billions of failed univeres."

To be perfectly clear, this is a Superman infected by Anti-Life who defeated Barbatos with a single punch and whose power should be comparable to that of Barbatos, and not the basic Superman, even if he has accomplished some feats with Auteur.io and his Archives of Worlds.

 

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To be perfectly clear, this is a Superman infected by Anti-Life who defeated Barbatos with a single punch and whose power should be comparable to that of Barbatos, and not the basic Superman, even if he has accomplished some feats with Auteur.io and his Archives of Worlds.

I'm a bit confused by this

So does "basic" superman scale higher than barbatos since the superman that punched him was weakend?

 

[Elizio33]

I'm a bit confused by this

So does "basic" superman scale higher than barbatos since the superman that punched him was weakend?

It is because Barbatos defeated a casual Superman and Wonder Woman very easily in Dark Nights Metal.

 

[Osemere]

To be perfectly clear, this is a Superman infected by Anti-Life who defeated Barbatos with a single punch and whose power should be comparable to that of Barbatos, and not the basic Superman, even if he has accomplished some feats with Auteur.io and his Archives of Worlds.

Except Superman infected with Anti-Life was weaker since his cells were dying.

 

[Elizio33]

Except Superman infected with Anti-Life was weaker since his cells were dying.

Yes, but given that Barbatos defeated both Superman and Wonder Woman with great ease during his previous invasion, it can be assumed that Barbatos, incapacitated by Superman infected by Anti-Life, was weakened since he was chained and contained inside the castle.

 

[Osemere]

Yes, but given that Barbatos defeated both Superman and Wonder Woman with great ease during his previous invasion, it can be assumed that Barbatos, incapacitated by Superman infected by Anti-Life, was weakened since he was chained and contained inside the castle.

Well, before, he was just totally invulnerable since he was made of Dark Matter (like they couldn’t even hurt him), and they were there in the Dark Multiverse and he was chained up with Nth-Metal chains which made him vulnerable.

 

[Elizio33]

Well, before, he was just totally invulnerable since he was made of Dark Matter (like they couldn’t even hurt him), and they were there in the Dark Multiverse and he was chained up with N-Metal chains which made him vulnerable.

Yes, Barbatos was restricted by the chains made by the Over-Monitor.

 

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Yes, Barbatos was restricted by the chains made by the Over-Monitor.

Which made him actually damageable

Since random batgoses couldn't be damage by someone like superman at all

 

[Elizio33]

Which made him actually damageable

Since random batgoses couldn't be damage by someone like superman at all

Yep

 

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Yep

So superman does scale higher or have better physical stats?

It's just that gosgod has "I can hurt you but you can't hurt me" hax?

And superman has no hax negation towards that, therefore he loses normally?

 

[Elizio33]

So superman does scale higher?

It's just that gosgod has "I can hurt you but you can't hurt me" hax?

And superman has no hax negation towards that, therefore he loses normally?

I wouldn't say he scale necessarily higher but he scale to him restricted.

 

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I wouldn't say he scale necessarily higher but he scale to him restricted.

LIke this?

 

[KirbyFan03]

Personally I would scale superman to Barbados because both were substantially weakened XD and Wonder Woman isn't comparable to supes at all imo if he actually gets serious

 

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It'd just be literally everyone of them.

I do have the list, I can just modify apply myself on the weekend if this gets through.

I think this thread got through with the many staff agreements

Do I just wait or do I have to go somewhere to request the upgrade and abilities additions? (This is my first time making a thread so idk how it works)

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Elizio's conclusions in this thread.

What are the staff conclusions here so far?

 

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I agree with Elizio's conclusions in this thread.

What are the staff conclusions here so far?

@Emirp sumitpo
@Elizio33
@Antvasima

Agrees on everything except the low 1C time trapper

@Maverick_Zero_X agrees on the superman punching 2B barbatos and abilities additions but seems neutral on the son of world forger feat (obvious disagree with low 1C time trapper)

We have 4 staff votes, we can make 2B Superman + 2B DC heralds and apply abilities additions

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizio33

Does that seem fine to you?

 

[Elizio33]

@Elizio33

Does that seem fine to you?

Yes