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The Boys Verse Debunk: Calc Issue

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First of all, can this back and forth be a bit more civil?

Second, looking at the statements, destroying a city over time is obviously possible making that the weakest statement. Saying that you'd need an H bomb to destroy Soldier Boy is an upper limit and doesn't tell us a great deal on its own, but definitely worth keeping in mind. The bunker is the strongest statement, the part about a bunker that can withstand an H bomb. The problem is obviously that an H bomb hits over a wider area.
 
destroying a city over time is obviously possible making that the weakest statement.
Although it is the weakest, it is not entirely inconsistent with 8-A, because an 800-tonne explosion cannot wipe out New York in an instant; it would take time. And that’s not the only mention of destroying the city. Homelander actually says he could wipe New York off the map just for fun and then says he could destroy other cities as well..
The bunker is the strongest statement, the part about a bunker that can withstand an H bomb. The problem is obviously that an H bomb hits over a wider area.
You misunderstood the statement. The statement is not that the Bunker can withstand a neutron bomb, but that it safe from supes who have the power of a neutron bomb.
 
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Can you link the neutron bomb statement? I’m leaning towards a possibly rating right now based on what I’ve seen. High 8-C (or 8-B if it’s accepted), possibly 8-A (Neutron Bomb).
 
A statement about having the power of a neutron bomb is interesting, although it could be potential hyperbole. The cast weren't upgraded to 8-A until the Soldier Boy calculation was used after all.
 
That's a 525x difference between the highest feat of the verse and that statement which would make its use void anyways. Even if the hypothetical 8-B calc in question gets approved the gap between it and the statement is at worst 20x and ranges to being 181.81x depending on how wide the gap in 8-B is which still means its an outlier so just drop it.


Regardless the removal of this calc is fine and the characters should revert back to their High 8-C ratings, this is far from meaningless as a CRT
I mean no one batted an eye for a WHILE when Homelander's calc was almost 300 Tons while the rest of the verse was less then 0.5 tons. If there's an specific statement to his power that happens to place on a similar tier to where he once was, why remove it?
Besides there's still the statement that only a hydrogen bomb could kill him, even though lesser bomb exists, to support this.
 
I mean no one batted an eye for a WHILE when Homelander's calc was almost 300 Tons while the rest of the verse was less then 0.5 tons. If there's an specific statement to his power that happens to place on a similar tier to where he once was, why remove it?
Just because something wrong was applied and remained that way for a considerable length of time does not make it correct. By that logic, any profile that is flawed or filled with misinformation shouldn’t be fixed simply because it has existed that way for an arbitrary length of time.

Besides there's still the statement that only a hydrogen bomb could kill him, even though lesser bomb exists, to support this.
I remember such a statement in the comics, but I don't remember the same for the TV Show. Can you please provide this proof?
 
The statement about a weapon needing to be a hydrogen bomb to kill Soldier Boy doesn't seem sufficient to me. People use hyperbole like that a lot, especially when factors like him trying to avoid the blast come into play. Nothing rules out the proposed bomb being overkill either.

The statement about having the power of a neutron bomb is more direct, in my opinion.
 
The statement about a weapon needing to be a hydrogen bomb to kill Soldier Boy doesn't seem sufficient to me. People use hyperbole like that a lot, especially when factors like him trying to avoid the blast come into play. Nothing rules out the proposed bomb being overkill either.

The statement about having the power of a neutron bomb is more direct, in my opinion.
The H-bomb statement did come from butcher though, who absolutely hates supes, he'd have no reason to hype up their durability.
 
The H-bomb statement did come from butcher though, who absolutely hates supes, he'd have no reason to hype up their durability.
Have you ever heard the saying that cockroaches survive nuclear blasts? Made by people who hate them, and implies they're far more uniquely durable than they are. It's a hyperbole about how difficult it is to get rid of them.
 
While the statements definitely are questionable, the outlier argument seems a little idk, unreasonable ig?

The difference really isn't that big and the Homelander dura feat is him straight up no-selling the explosion. So clearly he's meant to be far more durable than that and while the gap IS somewhat big that's also partially because almost nobody in the verse is on Homelanders level so feats from there are expected to be limited. It's similar to how Saitamas highest value used to barely tier 5 for no selling those attacks and he ended up tier 3 when actually fighting an equal
 
A statement about having the power of a neutron bomb is interesting, although it could be potential hyperbole.
There is nothing to suggest that it is an exaggeration. The person making the statement is knowledgeable about the subject he is talking about and is using the statement to provide information about the matter in question.
The cast weren't upgraded to 8-A until the Soldier Boy calculation was used after all.
Because the neutron bomb statement did not exist before.
Have you ever heard the saying that cockroaches survive nuclear blasts? Made by people who hate them, and implies they're far more uniquely durable than they are. It's a hyperbole about how difficult it is to get rid of them.
Butcher doesn’t just hate them—he’s actively trying to kill them. Also, this isn’t exactly the same thing, because Butcher’s statements is more specific. If he had said “nuclear bomb” instead of “H-bomb,” the situation would have been the same, but he used the term “H-bomb” instead of a more general term like “nuclear bomb.” And the fact that Butcher was former soldier, works for the CIA, and has long been looking for ways to kill Homelander lends credibility and validity to his statement.

Furthermore, when this statement is considered alongside the statement that Homelander has been shot with every kind of weapon and none of them have worked, we can conclude that they are at least above non-nuclear weapons.

This places them above 11 tons, which is 8-B. In my message above, I explained where the 11 tons came from.

Additionally, the fact that Homelander can tank an High 8-C explosion (3 Ton) without taking damage further supports this scaling.

Then there is the statements made by the head of the company that created Homelander that the Supes possess the power of a neutron bomb.

We had accepted 800 tons as the value for a neutron bomb.

In addition, there is a character in the verse who can create storms. This has been calculated as 8-B. And since Homelander is the most powerful and strongest super in the world, he should scales above her.

I know the calculation hasn’t been accepted yet, but the reason I’m sharing it here now is that it might catch a CGM’s attention and be evulated.
the outlier argument seems a little idk, unreasonable ig?

The difference really isn't that big and the Homelander dura feat is him straight up no-selling the explosion. So clearly he's meant to be far more durable than that and while the gap IS somewhat big that's also partially because almost nobody in the verse is on Homelanders level so feats from there are expected to be limited. It's similar to how Saitamas highest value used to barely tier 5 for no selling those attacks and he ended up tier 3 when actually fighting an equal
I agree
 
I don't like dismissing feats as outliers without anything else to discredit it. In this case it is a statement that could imply higher abilities. I could see a path to a Possibly rating based on that.
 
I don't like dismissing feats as outliers without anything else to discredit it. In this case it is a statement that could imply higher abilities. I could see a path to a Possibly rating based on that.
So you agree with at least High 8-C, likely 8-A, right?
 
@LegendariumOfLies Damage didn't say he agree with downgrade. He said "Removal of the calc seems fine." Even you wasn't sure and asked for clarification. So you shouldn't list him as agree without noted that he commented only remove of calc
 
We obviously need to re-evaluate.

Option 1: scale to the statements, Neutron bomb Homelander.

Option 2: scale to KLOL's calculation and list a possibly for the higher statements. Possibly, not likely.

Option 3: scale to KLOL's calculation only, then have a CRT for adding the statements as a reason to upgrade.
 
We obviously need to re-evaluate.

Option 1: scale to the statements, Neutron bomb Homelander.

Option 2: scale to KLOL's calculation and list a possibly for the higher statements. Possibly, not likely.

Option 3: scale to KLOL's calculation only, then have a CRT for adding the statements as a reason to upgrade.
I prefer Option 1.

For Option 2, when you say "possibly for higher statements," are you suggesting "possibly Higher" or "possibly 8-A"?

In addition, Klol’s calculation has been recalculated. First, that calculation needs to be evaluated.

 
I'm fine with a possibility raising until season 5 gives us possibility more feats
 
While the statements definitely are questionable, the outlier argument seems a little idk, unreasonable ig?

The difference really isn't that big and the Homelander dura feat is him straight up no-selling the explosion. So clearly he's meant to be far more durable than that and while the gap IS somewhat big that's also partially because almost nobody in the verse is on Homelanders level so feats from there are expected to be limited. It's similar to how Saitamas highest value used to barely tier 5 for no selling those attacks and he ended up tier 3 when actually fighting an equal
He didn't no sell it, he was bleeding and the 3.8 tons of tnt already explained the original calcs got his positioning wrong so he didn't even take the full yield
 
He didn't no sell it, he was bleeding
From what I understood he was covered in the blood of the regular people he was next to when the explosion happened. Homelander himself seemed completely unharmed.
and the 3.8 tons of tnt already explained the original calcs got his positioning wrong so he didn't even take the full yield
I don’t know about that, I didn't read that deeply into this. But the argument still remains about the same
 
From what I understood he was covered in the blood of the regular people he was next to when the explosion happened. Homelander himself seemed completely unharmed.

I don’t know about that, I didn't read that deeply into this. But the argument still remains about the same
He didn't have much blood on him before the explosion, compared to after it he had more blood
 
Like even the recalc needs a recalc because you can clearly see two giant tanks of gas in the background larger than the one homelander is close to.
 
He didn't no sell it, he was bleeding and the 3.8 tons of tnt already explained the original calcs got his positioning wrong so he didn't even take the full yield
No, the explosion didn't make him bleed but it did knock him down and make him cough, so there is some damage but it is pretty minimal.

@LegendariumOfLies Damage didn't say he agree with downgrade. He said "Removal of the calc seems fine." Even you wasn't sure and asked for clarification. So you shouldn't list him as agree without noted that he commented only remove of calc
Fixed, or rather explained better.

We obviously need to re-evaluate.

Option 1: scale to the statements, Neutron bomb Homelander.

Option 2: scale to KLOL's calculation and list a possibly for the higher statements. Possibly, not likely.

Option 3: scale to KLOL's calculation only, then have a CRT for adding the statements as a reason to upgrade.
Option 2 seems the best for me. As stated in this thread, there is still Season 5 so maybe it gives us some feat, but I doubt it.
 
I'd definitely lean more towards options 2 and 3 due to caution. Still, if KLOL's calculation has been remade then it needs another evaluation first anyway.
 
Wish I could evaluate, but since it's based off of my calc, others should evaluate. I can't evaluate my own calcs of course, LOL.
 
Wish I could evaluate, but since it's based off of my calc, others should evaluate. I can't evaluate my own calcs of course, LOL.
The new calculation doesn’t use anything from your calculation; it uses its own pixel scaling and its own approach entirely. The only thing it uses is Homelander’s surface area, and you got that from my calculation. So I think you can evaluate it.
 
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