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Comprehensive Review of the Instant Death

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The Abyss: Low 1-C (5-D)
The Sea: Low 1-C (5-D)
The Higher Universes: 1-C (6-D)
Ultimate Ensemble: 1-C (6-D)
The End: 1-C (6-D)
 
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Hecky2222 said:
What was even reason for 7D and 8D
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The Higher Universes transcend the entire Sea, so for now they would be 7D.

The Final Set World is the world that contains everything we know and everything we do not know, since there are worlds that transcend all that we know, as mentioned by the Absolute God. The Final Set is the world that contains all of this within it, which makes it a higher-dimensional world—thus, it would be 8D. This is something that was explained by one of the staff members and has been approved.
 
Robo432343 said:
The Abyss: Low 1-C (5-D)
The Sea: 1-C (6-D)
The Higher Universes: 1-C (6-D)
Ultimate Ensemble: 1-C (6-D)
The End: 1-C (6-D)
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The Higher Universes transcend the entire Sea; they exist in a different space and surpass all of it. For that reason, the Higher Universes would be 7D.

As one of the staff members explained, the Final Set World is the world that contains everything we know and everything we do not know. The Absolute God also confirmed the existence of worlds that transcend everything we have discussed. The Final Set World contains all of this within it, which makes it a higher-dimensional space—8D. This is something that has been explained by a staff member and approved.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
The Higher Universes transcend the entire Sea; they exist in a different space and surpass all of it. For that reason, the Higher Universes would be 7D.

As one of the staff members explained, the Final Set World is the world that contains everything we know and everything we do not know. The Absolute God also confirmed the existence of worlds that transcend everything we have discussed. The Final Set World contains all of this within it, which makes it a higher-dimensional space—8D. This is something that has been explained by a staff member and approved.
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No, it was explained that the higher universes does not have enough evidence to be superior to the point that its a whole +1D structure above. Simply containing it is not enough.
 
Robo432343 said:
The Abyss: Low 1-C (5-D)
The Sea: 1-C (6-D)
The Higher Universes: 1-C (6-D)
Ultimate Ensemble: 1-C (6-D)
The End: 1-C (6-D)
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けっきょく、アレの周りで死んだ者っていうのは、死のうがどうなろうが彼の心にたいした影響を残さない者だけなんだよ。子供のころのことはどうなんだって？ 錯乱している様子もある？ でも結果としてたいした影響はなかっただろ？ つまり、最終的に問題がなければアレにとってはそれでいいんだよ。そんな完璧を求めてるわけでもないんだろうしね。 ん？ けっきょくこいつは何者なのか？ 正体は何なんだって？ 正体も何もそういう存在としか言い様がないよ。僕が僕であるように、君が君であるように、アレはアレなんだ。 アレは僕が発生する前から、おそらくは〝世界〟の最初から存在している。〝世界〟を構成するルールの一つであり、〝世界〟を規定する存在なんだ。〝世界〟の限界を示すものであり、終わりであり、ストッパーなんだよ。
 
Robo432343 said:
No, it was explained that the higher universes does not have enough evidence to be superior to the point that its a whole +1D structure above. Simply containing it is not enough.
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Containment?

Literally, I’m not discussing the Higher Universes right now at all, because I decided to leave that for another topic regarding the H1B level.

I only set them to 7D for now simply because they transcend the entire Sea. The Higher Universes exist in a completely different space beyond all of the Sea; the place where they exist surpasses all of that. Therefore, the Higher Universes would be 7D.

Again, I’m not focusing on the Higher Universes themselves right now—only on the fact that they transcend the entire Sea and exist beyond all of it in a completely different space that surpasses everything we mentioned. For that reason, the Higher Universes are 7D.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I only set them to 7D for now simply because they transcend the entire Sea. The Higher Universes exist in a completely different space beyond all of the Sea; the place where they exist surpasses all of that. Therefore, the Higher Universes would be 7D.
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Sea was accepted as Low 1-C
Higher Universes was accepted 1-C as amount of them

So 7-D, 8-D args won't work there
 
Azertyhuuh said:
I only set them to 7D for now simply because they transcend the entire Sea. The Higher Universes exist in a completely different space beyond all of the Sea; the place where they exist surpasses all of that. Therefore, the Higher Universes would be 7D.
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'Existing in a completely different space beyond the sea' is not enough for a dimensional difference and 'transcend' is also not enough its too vague
 
Reiner04 said:
^ pretty much my opinion.

In anycase i will ask for @Qawsedf234 opinion on High 1-B and 1-A b4 closing tjis thread. Hope im not bothering with the pings.
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I don't like the WoG so I don't support the rating. My thing with the WoG was that if the majority of mods thought it was usable, then it would indicate those ratings.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I don't like the WoG so I don't support the rating. My thing with the WoG was that if the majority of mods thought it was usable, then it would indicate those ratings.
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Alright, this has been approved for now.

The Heavenly Organization: 2B
The Abyss: Low 1C
The Sea: 1C
The Higher Universes: 1C (7D)
The Final Set World: 1C (8D)

Do you have any objections to this, or do you agree?
 
@Qawsedf234 By the way, the '4-B' or 'Below Universal' statement for the Abyss comes from an older/different work by the author that was cancelled at Volume 3. The author has even stated he intends to redo that series from scratch. Given this, and considering that the majority of moderators agree, and that the more recent novel (Instant Death) explicitly refers to the CF and Abyss as a 'Universe', I think it’s safe to say the Abyss is significant in size. With that in mind, what are your thoughts on the current tiers for these cosmological structures?

For more context:
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
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And they also have their own flow of time:

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As for the infinite stuff, refer to my comment regarding a CF being bigger than Alice's infinite kingdom




True. Not only that, it got cancelled and Fujitaka said he would redo it from scratch. One could even argue we shouldnt use any statements from it for now since it got axed and it wont be the same novel anymore anyway.
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Reiner04 said:
@Qawsedf234 By the way, the '4-B' or 'Below Universal' statement for the Abyss comes from an older/different work by the author that was cancelled at Volume 3. The author has even stated he intends to redo that series from scratch. Given this, and considering that the majority of moderators agree, and that the more recent novel (Instant Death) explicitly refers to the CF and Abyss as a 'Universe', I think it’s safe to say the Abyss is significant in size. With that in mind, what are your thoughts on the current tiers for these cosmological structures?

For more context:
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UMR explained to us offsite Abyss size has nothing to do with Celestial Foundation. You can tag your brother there and clarify
 
Hecky2222 said:
UMR explained to us offsite Abyss size has nothing to do with Celestial Foundation. You can tag your brother there and clarify
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Wait the original thread that OP linked somehow provides the reasoning for Abyss not being Universal size is CF not being Universal size. How does it even work 🐘

2. The Abyss.

In this thread, it was accepted that the Abyss should be "possibly Low 1-C" due to it possibly having a universal size. Well, it should go, since the Celestial Foundation of Yogiri is stated to only be Solar System in size.

I suggest putting The Abyss as "Unknown".
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Hecky2222 said:
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No Idea either, tag his bum ass and ask there
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UMR already lurking here. Dw.

But if size of Abyss is not comparable to CFs then yeah, nothing is changed about Tier 1, i think.
 
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Reiner04 said:
think it’s safe to say the Abyss is significant in size. With that in mind, what are your thoughts on the current tiers for these cosmological structures?
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If the Abyss is notable size, then the Sea would fall under the following:
Q: Why is Tier 2 split for individual structures and not Tier 1?
A: For most of fiction, Tier 2 is the common endpoint or largest cosmological structure. Due to the volume of profiles that have this be the endpoint, splitting the 4D Cosmological structures was considered a better way to index profiles. With that said, almost all higher tiers follow the exact same standards as the Tier 2 ratings. To illustrate: if a character destroys three universes, they'd be rated at 2-C, while a character that has destroyed an infinite amount would be rated as 2-A. For Low 1-C all instances are put together, but there is still a power gap between them; so a character who's destroyed an infinite amount of fifth-dimensional universes would be superior to a character who's destroyed a singular fifth-dimensional space for the same reason why a 2-A character is superior to a Low 2-C character
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If its subsumed in a spatio-temporal capacity, then the Sea and everything above it would be bumped by 1D, but so far I'm only seeing a spatial capacity for it.
 
How long has it been ? 13 pages ? 14 ? Welp this is my last string of messages. I will try to create a summary of this CRT - what it has achieved, the topics brought up and the stuff being argued. If you think I am wrong or inaccurate in some aspects then feel free to point it out but.
Don't respond with a Text wall that has no substance to it. I want scans, links and proper argumentation not the same gish-gallop reiterated for the nth time.
Anyways,
Celestial Foundation: L2-C {Accepted} (previous arguments using Infinity & demon king novel has been refuted)
Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa
The Abyss: Unknown but 4-D {Accepted} (all arguments have been refuted)
Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234
New arguments for Abyss having a Timeline making it 5-D and L2-C (I think?)
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To be discussed in another thread
The Sea Contains the Abyss, is infinite and has it's own time dimension (not a Hypertimeline) making it Infinite L1-C
Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234
The Higher Worlds:
1-B, H1-B : Rejected (@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234 )
1-C: Accepted
(@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234 )
Ultimate Ensemble
1-A & L1-A : Rejected (@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234 )
1-C: Accepted
(@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234 )
I still wish to ask Qawsedf234 to clarify on the 1-C rating as in is the Ultimate Ensemble 1-C by virtue of the higher universes or no ?
Qawsedf234 said:
Infinite Universes containing infinite universes that goes on forever is an Aleph-1 number of universes
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Lmaoo All that text wall trying to dodge the point and say the otl says "higher dimensional beings" https://imgchest.com/p/9rydedb6w4k Just wow man... Other than this I've started reading ID on a bing, at least the important bits of it, and I must say I found quite a lot of context that goes...
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Again this is from what I have gathered, I will update this as it goes on and hopefully stuff gets cleared and it goes without saying I won't be replying to people talking about already rejected stuff or stuff that's not up for discussion per this comment. If anyone has anything to add say it now or hold your tongue forever.
Tagging everyone
Qawsedf234 said:
If
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Elizhaa said:
I agree
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Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
And
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Reiner04 said:
UMR my doppleganger
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That's all.
Edit 1: Changed the CF rating from Varies up to L2-C to L2-C since the other novel was rejected as such no need for the "varies".
Edit 2: Figured it was best to leave the 2-C Abyss stuff for another thread if anyone makes one.
Edit 3: @Qawsedf234 has answered the question
Qawsedf234 said:
The entirety of the structure, the transinfinite amount of universes, is what is +1D.
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Reiner04 said:
Wait the original thread that OP linked somehow provides the reasoning for Abyss not being Universal size is CF not being Universal size. How does it even work 🐘
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The Abyss doesnt encompass the whole CF, only some parts of it, and the size of those parts isnt specified.
Cipher72 said:
How long has it been ? 13 pages ? 14 ? Welp this is my last string of messages. I will try to create a summary of this CRT - what it has achieved, the topics brought up and the stuff being argued. If you think I am wrong or inaccurate in some aspects then feel free to point it out but.
Don't respond with a Text wall that has no substance to it. I want scans, links and proper argumentation not the same gish-gallop reiterated for the nth time.
Anyways,
Celestial Foundation: Varies, up to L2-C {Accepted} (previous arguments using Infinity & demon king novel has been refuted)
Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa
The Abyss: Unknown but 4-D {Accepted} (all arguments have been refuted)
Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234
New arguments for Abyss having a Timeline making it L1-C (5-D) and L2-C (I think?)
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Agree: To be discussed
The Sea Contains the Abyss, is infinite and has it's own time dimension (not a Hypertimeline) making it Infinite L1-C
Agree: @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234
The Higher Worlds:
1-B, H1-B : Rejected (@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234 )
Ultimate Ensemble
1-A & L1-A : Rejected (@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234 )
1-C: Accepted
(@Oblivion_Of_The_Endless , @Reiner04, @Elizhaa, @Qawsedf234 )
I still wish to ask Qawsedf234 to clarify on the 1-C rating as in is the Ultimate Ensemble 1-C by virtue of the higher universes or no ?

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Lmaoo All that text wall trying to dodge the point and say the otl says "higher dimensional beings" https://imgchest.com/p/9rydedb6w4k Just wow man... Other than this I've started reading ID on a bing, at least the important bits of it, and I must say I found quite a lot of context that goes...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
Again this is from what I have gathered, I will update this as it goes on and hopefully stuff gets cleared and it goes without saying I won't be replying to people talking about already rejected stuff or stuff that's not up for discussion per this comment. If anyone has anything to add say it now or hold your tongue forever.
Tagging everyone



That's all.
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Yeah, pretty much this.

@Qawsedf234 Could you clarify whether your agreement for 1-C was only for the Ultimate Ensemble or if it included the hierarchy of Higher Universes too?
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If the Abyss is notable size, then the Sea would fall under the following:

If its subsumed in a spatio-temporal capacity, then the Sea and everything above it would be bumped by 1D, but so far I'm only seeing a spatial capacity for it.
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Yes, look here, I explained the matter, and that’s why the Sea will become 1C, and everything will increase as I said by one dimension—this is exactly what I told them.

The higher universes go beyond the entire Sea and exist in a completely different space, surpassing the Sea entirely. Therefore, the higher universes would, of course, be 7D.

As for the world of the Final Set, it is the world that contains everything within it, and it even contains worlds that go beyond everything we know here, according to the words of the Absolute God, who said that there are worlds beyond the perception of all the gods. The Absolute God also said that our universe cannot perceive them, but that does not make them nonexistent. Therefore, I tend to classify these unknown worlds as 8D and the Final Set as 9D. However, if this is rejected, classifying the Final Set as 8D would also be acceptable.
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
I agree that it has time, but its size is unknown so I dont think Low 1-C for it would work.
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Yesterday we agreed that its size is cosmic, and that was the end of it. And today you come and say it’s unknown? Can you explain this contradiction? Where did all our long discussions from yesterday go?
 
Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
Can you quote where I said the Abyss had significant size?
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We know that the celestial foundations are universes, and some of them are infinite. We agreed to remove the Demon King’s narrative, which resolved the contradiction of the minor foundations, and therefore everything is refuted. Even if the Abyss does not encompass all the celestial foundations, that changes nothing, because even if it includes only a single foundation, that alone is enough to make its size cosmic—or more. Let alone the existence of countless celestial foundations, and perhaps the Abyss also encompasses an innumerable number within the Sea, all of which are cosmic in size. We agreed on this yesterday, so I don’t understand why you are bringing up this topic again now.
 
Azertyhuuh said:
Yes, look here, I explained the matter, and that’s why the Sea will become 1C, and everything will increase as I said by one dimension—this is exactly what I told them.

The higher universes go beyond the entire Sea and exist in a completely different space, surpassing the Sea entirely. Therefore, the higher universes would, of course, be 7D.

As for the world of the Final Set, it is the world that contains everything within it, and it even contains worlds that go beyond everything we know here, according to the words of the Absolute God, who said that there are worlds beyond the perception of all the gods. The Absolute God also said that our universe cannot perceive them, but that does not make them nonexistent. Therefore, I tend to classify these unknown worlds as 8D and the Final Set as 9D. However, if this is rejected, classifying the Final Set as 8D would also be acceptable.
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The reason why Qawsedf quoted that part of the Tiering System, is because this exact part of the FAQ also applies here

Q: Is a structure bigger than a 2-A structure Low 1-C by default?​

No, the default assumption is that this is not the case. "Bigger" could mean having more 2-A structures and, as explained in greater detail previously, having more 2-A structures, or even infinitely many 2-A structures, unless uncountably infinitely many, won't be above a single 2-A structure in size. This is due to these structures actually having the same size as a baseline 2-A structure. It is, however, possible to at least achieve greater than baseline 2-A power by upscaling from other characters who've performed 2-A feats or of the feats themselves, rather than by affecting 2-A structures containing other 2-A structures. However, if "bigger" is indicated to mean a size difference that makes the structure dimensionally superior to a 2-A structure, the structure qualifies for Low 1-C unless the fiction specifies otherwise.

To elaborate, a structure larger than 2-A meets the requirements for dimensional superiority over them if it either explicitly mentions an uncountably infinite number of universes or has portrayals/statements of being larger than 2-A structures to the point that even infinite multipliers on top of the size of that structure are of no relevance to it. Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a 5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C, as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.

In that regard it is important to consider that, by its nature, it is not possible to accurately depict 5 dimensional space. As such depictions of the multiverse are usually not to be understood as an accurate representation of the distance between the universes, but rather just qualitative analogies of the multiverse's structure.

As usual, evaluation of any additional evidence needs to be done case-by-case.
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Just as a structure larger than 2-A doesn't automatically become Low 1-C, The Sea can encompass The Abyss without being 1-C

Just like a 2-A structure can contain another 2-A structure, a Low 1-C structure can contain another Low 1-C structure
 
Azertyhuuh said:
We know that the celestial foundations are universes, and some of them are infinite. We agreed to remove the Demon King’s narrative, which resolved the contradiction of the minor foundations, and therefore everything is refuted. Even if the Abyss does not encompass all the celestial foundations, that changes nothing, because even if it includes only a single foundation, that alone is enough to make its size cosmic—or more. Let alone the existence of countless celestial foundations, and perhaps the Abyss also encompasses an innumerable number within the Sea, all of which are cosmic in size. We agreed on this yesterday, so I don’t understand why you are bringing up this topic again now.
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There is no evidence that the Abyss encompasses a Celestial Foundation in its entirety. It encompasses one Celestial Foundation partially, not all of it. And the narration does not tell us the exact size of the parts it encompasses. It's basically like this. The intersection would be where the Abyss and the CF overlap.

Again, can you quote where I agreed with any of what you are saying?
Qawsedf234 said:
The entirety of the structure, the transinfinite amount of universes, is what is +1D.
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Alright, thanks.

And now with that, I'll apply what has been accepted.

Cipher72 said:
Oh I just realised I worded it badly mb I meant 5-D (4D+1D) & 2-C (I believe it qualifies for that)
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Whats your reason for 2-C?
 
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