Devil Fruits Page Update (One more staff vote needed)

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Hello! First CRT lets go!

So the current Devil Fruits page is really outdated: It only has a surface level rundown of the mechanics and only has scattered links to the types of abilities that different Devil Fruits can grant, it has no references for any of the info on the page, it straight up copies the One Piece fandom wiki for certain things like the types of Paramecia abilities which aren't a canon/in-universe categorization, and overall isn't well organized, so I decided to revamp the page to properly link and list all these things.

Current page: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Devil_Fruits
New page: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:IbukiDoujisGiantTail/Devil_Fruits_(Sandbox)

Changes:

• Properly linking the different types of powers and abilities that the different categories of Devil Fruits can grant, all separated by type.
• Included the list of users for each canon Devil Fruit with known mechanics, added the fruit description and linked them to the characters who have a page on here.
• Included a physiology tab for both Zoan and Logia Devil Fruits.
• Expanded on the Weaknesses of Devil Fruit users.
• Streamlined the page to include the relevant info.
• Added references to everything.

Profile Changes:
Uhh tbh I don't think anything would exactly need to be added to the character profiles since each profile already expands on the individual user's powers and Devil Fruits aren't exactly a UES, though maybe the Zoan and Logia Physiology tabs could be linked to the relevant profiles. Maybe a general "[Type of fruit] Devil Fruit user" link could be added, and the link to the "Weaknesses" section of the page for the weaknesses for Devil Fruit user profiles would already lead to the new page if accepted so I don't think there'd be any major profile revisions.

Thoughts?

Agree: Kachon123,Yoh_Asakura8, Damage3245, Kaydee1648, Nierre
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Kachon123]

Looks great at a glance. I'll look over everything more in-depth in a few hours.

 

[Yoh_Asakura8]

Looks good. Hopefully kachoon can also make a couple adjustments to it so it looks more professional and tidy on the profiles.

 

[OleniyHlang+2]

Should it be added that DF is possible evolution of humanity that people wished for (like Uta have)? And DF itself is ability to change the world by layering this world on the real one (Foxy creating unique particles, Moria creating shadows that can't exist as a separate object and etc)

 

[Kachon123]

Alright, now that I've looked through everything, I'd say that besides some fairly minor wording choices that I'd change, this looks very good. Nice job.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Alright, now that I've looked through everything, I'd say that besides some fairly minor wording choices that I'd change, this looks very good. Nice job.

Thanks! I've been discussing it in the main thread also just to streamline the page more but what would you recommend rewording?

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Should it be added that DF is possible evolution of humanity that people wished for (like Uta have)? And DF itself is ability to change the world by layering this world on the real one (Foxy creating unique particles, Moria creating shadows that can't exist as a separate object and etc)

Personally I wouldn't add that since it's only Vegapunks theory on what Devil Fruit powers are, and given that (if true) it could significantly alter what the powers are, I think it best to just leave out for now until we get further confirmation just to avoid confusion and/or adding powers when they don't belong.

 

[Damage3245]

Looks like a fine replacement to the current page.

 

[Kaydee1648]

Yeah, great job!

 

[Nierre]

very impressive
I agree with this replacement

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Thanks! So I'll count the agrees, is there any specific number or other step that's needed?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I'm not sure I agree with everything, physiologies pages are supposed to include only the powers that are common to all the "users", Luffy doesn't really have bodily weaponry despite being a Zoan, and Chopper's fruit doesn't really grant it either Chopper has it because he already had them before he ate them, Sengoku also has a weird one, the egg-egg fruit does it count either?

Also Logias having weather manipulation because of what Akainu and Kuzan did is also questionable it's not like all logia fruits are innerently capable of doing it and seems more of an indirect thing because of Akainu's magma creating heat of Kuzan generating cold but would that actually work for smoke? Or Light? ect... And even if they might be capable of doing it it seems more of an AP thing or an "advanced technique" or even an awakening thing based on theories, but then only awakened would have it.
Other things about Logia do not necessarily work I mean even elemental manipulation works fine for a lot of them but Smoke doesn't really fit into elemental manipulation, the same for soot fruit.
Even the elemental intangibility like you mentin has Blackbeard who doesn't seem to actually have an intangible form.
You can consider those "exceptions" but then shouldn't it be made clear that they don't necessarily have that?

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

I'm not sure I agree with everything, physiologies pages are supposed to include only the powers that are common to all the "users", Luffy doesn't really have bodily weaponry despite being a Zoan, and Chopper's fruit doesn't really grant it either Chopper has it because he already had them before he ate them, Sengoku also has a weird one, the egg-egg fruit does it count either?

Also Logias having weather manipulation because of what Akainu and Kuzan did is also questionable it's not like all logia fruits are innerently capable of doing it and seems more of an indirect thing because of Akainu's magma creating heat of Kuzan generating cold but would that actually work for smoke? Or Light? ect... And even if they might be capable of doing it it seems more of an AP thing or an "advanced technique" or even an awakening thing based on theories, but then only awakened would have it.
Other things about Logia do not necessarily work I mean even elemental manipulation works fine for a lot of them but Smoke doesn't really fit into elemental manipulation, the same for soot fruit.
Even the elemental intangibility like you mentin has Blackbeard who doesn't seem to actually have an intangible form.
You can consider those "exceptions" but then shouldn't it be made clear that they don't necessarily have that?

Luffy and Chopper both do have Bodily/Natural weaponry though, Luffy especially since his body literally becomes rubber and we see the various ways he used that as a weapon. Chopper turning into a human doesn't discount him from having Bodily Weaponry either since humans do have natural weaponry, like sure we aren't gonna slap it on every profile with a human, but since his main ability is turning into a human, it makes sense to include it there. Sengoku gains increased size and a golden body and Tamago goes from an egg to a full chicken, all with bodily weaponry, this is a standard for all Zoan fruits since their power is transforming into a creature and gaining its attributes.

There's been no confirmation on Akainu or Kuzan having Awakened Logias nor any indication and it's just a power unique to them, Punk Hazard is in the state it is because two Logias fought each other for a long period of time. We also have Crocodile preventing any rainfall and causing desert storms in Alabasta and Enel in Skypeia influencing the whole environment through electricity that he can hear individual conversations and cause storms, just because we haven't seen how an environment could be permanently altered by say Smoke or Light doesn't mean that altering the environment isn't something all Logia's could do.

Elemental Manipulation does fit since Logia's literally become "a natural element", and this is consistent because Katakuri is considered a "special" Paramecia specifically because despite having the properties of a Logia, Mochi isn't a natural element. Smoke and Soot are considered natural elements in One Piece, and Blackbeard is mentioned on the page to be an exception to the normal rules of Logias. He has most of their abilities, but doesn't have their elemental intangibility.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

This is One Piece and not a minor revision, so you probably need one more vote from a staff member with evaluation rights.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Now that I think about "minor life manipulation" for zoans doesn't actually work either, that's an "ability" of the fruit itself not the user, if it was a devil fruit physiology that would be fine but it's a devil fruit user physiology, the user doesn't have that ability nor can they "fed" their own fruit to objects either.

Luffy and Chopper both do have Bodily/Natural weaponry though, Luffy especially since his body literally becomes rubber and we see the various ways he used that as a weapon. Chopper turning into a human doesn't discount him from having Bodily Weaponry either since humans do have natural weaponry, like sure we aren't gonna slap it on every profile with a human, but since his main ability is turning into a human, it makes sense to include it there. Sengoku gains increased size and a golden body and Tamago goes from an egg to a full chicken, all with bodily weaponry, this is a standard for all Zoan fruits since their power is transforming into a creature and gaining its attributes.

Humanos do not count there is specific note on the bodily weaponry page about it, it's also why Luffy doesn't have bodily weaponry. Increased size is not bodily weaponry, and havign a gold body probably wouldn't count either but I guess this one is questionable since scales do count. The egg one is indeed a weird case and he does change into a chicked so I conside on that.

There's been no confirmation on Akainu or Kuzan having Awakened Logias

I agree which is why I said it was a theory.

nor any indication and it's just a power unique to them, Punk Hazard is in the state it is because two Logias fought each other for a long period of time. We also have Crocodile preventing any rainfall and causing desert storms in Alabasta and Enel in Skypeia influencing the whole environment through electricity that he can hear individual conversations and cause storms, just because we haven't seen how an environment could be permanently altered by say Smoke or Light doesn't mean that altering the environment isn't something all Logia's could do.

You can argue that those cases do exist and that they might have weather manipulation but it's not a trait that is confirmed to apply to all of them, I don't need to prove they can't have it, you are the one who needs to prove they do because you are arguing that's a "universal trait" with no confirmation that is Inheren to all of them. Also Enel and Crocodile might have affected weather but it's in no way considered permanent since it stops when they were defeated.

Elemental Manipulation does fit since Logia's literally become "a natural element", and this is consistent because Katakuri is considered a "special" Paramecia specifically because despite having the properties of a Logia, Mochi isn't a natural element. Smoke and Soot are considered natural elements in One Piece, and Blackbeard is mentioned on the page to be an exception to the normal rules of Logias. He has most of their abilities, but doesn't have their elemental intangibility.

In one piece they are considered natural elements sure but I don't know if that applies in the category of elemental manipulation on this page for example Smoker doesn't have elemental manipulation on his profile despite having elemental intangibility.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Now that I think about "minor life manipulation" for zoans doesn't actually work either, that's an "ability" of the fruit itself not the user, if it was a devil fruit physiology that would be fine but it's a devil fruit user physiology, the user doesn't have that ability nor can they "fed" their own fruit to objects either.

Humanos do not count there is specific note on the bodily weaponry page about it, it's also why Luffy doesn't have bodily weaponry. Increased size is not bodily weaponry, and havign a gold body probably wouldn't count either but I guess this one is questionable since scales do count. The egg one is indeed a weird case and he does change into a chicked so I conside on that.

I agree which is why I said it was a theory.

You can argue that those cases do exist and that they might have weather manipulation but it's not a trait that is confirmed to apply to all of them, I don't need to prove they can't have it, you are the one who needs to prove they do because you are arguing that's a "universal trait" with no confirmation that is Inheren to all of them. Also Enel and Crocodile might have affected weather but it's in no way considered permanent since it stops when they were defeated.

In one piece they are considered natural elements sure but I don't know if that applies in the category of elemental manipulation on this page for example Smoker doesn't have elemental manipulation on his profile despite having elemental intangibility.

I put Minor Life Manipulation there since inanimate objects can become alive through becoming a Zoan Devil Fruit user, it's mentioned as well that Zoans have a will of their own, meaning that it is a property of being a Zoan user that it can bring things to life. We don't have examples atm that an item being "fed" a different type of Devil Fruit would bring said objects to life in the same way.

Luffy does have Bodily Weaponry on his page. And on the note you mentioned it specifically mentions that qualities that are exceptional should be counted, and Chopper's Human transformation is noted as being exceptional compared to standard humans given that it's literally a Human transformation that gave a normal deer advanced intelligence and greater physical ability through becoming a human, Chopper's human transformation is bigger and stronger than standard humans. Sengoku's transformation is also counted since his powers as a Buddha are specifically because he transforms into a mythical creature and gains its properties.

I put Possibly on the page for that exact reason, but it is a consistent trait throughout the series that Logias can alter and morph their environment due to becoming a natural element. Kuzan and Sakazuki showcased a permanent application of that, while Enel and Crocodile showed non-permanent versions. The weather alteration was specifically because of their Logia powers and is noted as a trait of Logia fruits.

I put that it varies depending on the element given that each Logia embodies a different element. Just because the Elemental Manipulation page doesn't list every possible thing that could potentially be an element doesn't mean that it can't be considered one. It's considered an element by One Piece's standards, so it's considered an element.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

I put Minor Life Manipulation there since inanimate objects can become alive through becoming a Zoan Devil Fruit user, it's mentioned as well that Zoans have a will of their own, meaning that it is a property of being a Zoan user that it can bring things to life. We don't have examples atm that an item being "fed" a different type of Devil Fruit would bring said objects to life in the same way.

That's an ability that belongs to the devil fruit not the user, having a life doesn't grant you manipulation over it, any human has a life and you are living it, it was given by "someone/something" else but you don't get that power only that "someone/something" has it.

Luffy does have Bodily Weaponry on his page.

A weird one cuz that's AP, anyways he doesn't have it in pre timeskip in his young key presumely because he wasn't strong enough to have teeth to bite steel just because he got the fruit

And on the note you mentioned it specifically mentions that qualities that are exceptional should be counted, and Chopper's Human transformation is noted as being exceptional compared to standard humans given that it's literally a Human transformation that gave a normal deer advanced intelligence and greater physical ability through becoming a human, Chopper's human transformation is bigger and stronger than standard humans. Sengoku's transformation is also counted since his powers as a Buddha are specifically because he transforms into a mythical creature and gains its properties.

His human tranformation is only exceptional because he was a deer, Oda spoke about what would happen if a human hate that fruit in an SBS he spoke about "becaming more human" or something like that.
I don't know why being stronger would grant them bodily weaponry, Zoro doesn't have it, or other humans in One Piece. Anyways what you are talking about is power not ability, having the devil fruit does not mean your teeth can break steel nor does it guarantee outstanding power, you have to train to do it.

I put Possibly on the page for that exact reason, but it is a consistent trait throughout the series that Logias can alter and morph their environment due to becoming a natural element. Kuzan and Sakazuki showcased a permanent application of that, while Enel and Crocodile showed non-permanent versions. The weather alteration was specifically because of their Logia powers and is noted as a trait of Logia fruits.

No you didn't put possibly on weather manipulation you did it on enviroment destruction. Again you are talking about specific applications of their power that just because you ate the frut doesn't mean you will know how to use it or if you are strong enough to do it. But let's say that Blackbeard creates a "permanent" black hole or "permanent darkness" in a specific region like how Akainu and Kuzan made Punk hazard, that wouldn't be weather manipulation the same thing for other logia users not all logias can or have ways that can manipulate weather itself, even Akainu and Kuzan altered the weather because of their specific powers to generate heat and cold you cannot guarantee that all logias will have an "element" that will have a property that can manipulate weather..

I put that it varies depending on the element given that each Logia embodies a different element. Just because the Elemental Manipulation page doesn't list every possible thing that could potentially be an element doesn't mean that it can't be considered one. It's considered an element by One Piece's standards, so it's considered an element.

I'm not gonna push further on this one, it's a question of wiki standards of if just because it's an element in One Piece means it will be an element on this wiki.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

That's an ability that belongs to the devil fruit not the user, having a life doesn't grant you manipulation over it, any human has a life and you are living it, it was given by "someone/something" else but you don't get that power only that "someone/something" has it.

A weird one cuz that's AP, anyways he doesn't have it in pre timeskip in his young key presumely because he wasn't strong enough to have teeth to bite steel just because he got the fruit

His human tranformation is only exceptional because he was a deer, Oda spoke about what would happen if a human hate that fruit in an SBS he spoke about "becaming more human" or something like that.
I don't know why being stronger would grant them bodily weaponry, Zoro doesn't have it, or other humans in One Piece. Anyways what you are talking about is power not ability, having the devil fruit does not mean your teeth can break steel nor does it guarantee outstanding power, you have to train to do it.

No you didn't put possibly on weather manipulation you did it on enviroment destruction. Again you are talking about specific applications of their power that just because you ate the frut doesn't mean you will know how to use it or if you are strong enough to do it. But let's say that Blackbeard creates a "permanent" black hole or "permanent darkness" in a specific region like how Akainu and Kuzan made Punk hazard, that wouldn't be weather manipulation the same thing for other logia users not all logias can or have ways that can manipulate weather itself, even Akainu and Kuzan altered the weather because of their specific powers to generate heat and cold you cannot guarantee that all logias will have an "element" that will have a property that can manipulate weather..

I'm not gonna push further on this one, it's a question of wiki standards of if just because it's an element in One Piece means it will be an element on this wiki.

The thing is that being a Zoan user does still carry this animal will into oneself, since we've seen that characters who Awaken their Zoans can have their minds and wills taken over by the animal of the fruit. It's not listed as like a combat-applicable ability, but that Zoan users carry this property of a Zoan Devil Fruits ability to give life into themselves and Zoans in particular have their own wills compared to other Devil Fruits.
If you really feel like it doesn't fit, I'd like to hear more consensus, maybe it can be changed to Multiple Selves or just moved to a different part.

The Bodily Weaponry page does list that Body Control is a related ability, and that does apply to Luffy. Ngl Luffy should probs have that justification changed since his body literally becomes rubber and we see how that's used as a weapon, but that's for a different thread.

That's missing the point, Chopper's fruit would apply because it's still a supernatural/exceptional transformation into a Human as a supernatural power. The reason the note on humans is on the page is to avoid listing Bodily Weaponry on every single human page on the wiki, but Choppers transformation into a Human is exceptional enough to qualify because the trait of Zoans is the transformation into an animal and humans are an animal, it's not just about enhanced strength.

That's something I need to add then, thanks. There's no "Environmental Manipulation" page on here but I can probably replace the Destruction part with it.

Regardless, the user not having the knowledge that they can do it doesn't change that it would still be a property of Logias. We've not seen any examples of an Awakened Logia and we can't say the permanent change to Punk Hazard was because of an Awakening or just greater strength on Sakazuki and Kuzans part. These aren't really AP feats directly but because Logias embody an element and can alter their environment, which can include the weather. I'm already going to change it to put the "Possibly" on Weather Manipulation but this feels like its missing the point? Like if Blackbeard did make some permanent dark zone somewhere and we see it affect the weather, then it affects the weather? Again, Logias embody an element of nature and can alter their environments, which can include the weather. Crocodiles fruit doesn't influence temperature or have any weather specific abilities but he can still alter the weather in Alabasta, so even if elements can differ in application that doesn't take away from their base abilities as Logias.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The thing is that being a Zoan user does still carry this animal will into oneself, since we've seen that characters who Awaken their Zoans can have their minds and wills taken over by the animal of the fruit. It's not listed as like a combat-applicable ability, but that Zoan users carry this property of a Zoan Devil Fruits ability to give life into themselves and Zoans in particular have their own wills compared to other Devil Fruits.
If you really feel like it doesn't fit, I'd like to hear more consensus, maybe it can be changed to Multiple Selves or just moved to a different part.

Maybe multiple selves but the times they lose control is more like going bersek than actually multiple selves. Life Manipulation just doesn't work

The Bodily Weaponry page does list that Body Control is a related ability, and that does apply to Luffy. Ngl Luffy should probs have that justification changed since his body literally becomes rubber and we see how that's used as a weapon, but that's for a different thread.

It says Body weaponry can also have body control it doesn't say that body control=Body weaponry.

That's missing the point, Chopper's fruit would apply because it's still a supernatural/exceptional transformation into a Human as a supernatural power. The reason the note on humans is on the page is to avoid listing Bodily Weaponry on every single human page on the wiki, but Choppers transformation into a Human is exceptional enough to qualify because the trait of Zoans is the transformation into an animal and humans are an animal, it's not just about enhanced strength.

Chopper's transformation is exceptional because he is half raindeer half human, without his half raindeer which is natural to him and has nothing to do with the fruit the he would just be a human human, maybe if we assume the other base qualities of a zoan such as regeneration and reactive evolution he could start using teeth and nails as "weapons" but it's not something that is a given, it requires trainning and mastery over the fruit, that's not what physiologies are about. For example seeing a species with hears = that species has hearing, but just because a species has hands it doesn't mean they are martial artists despite having the potencial to do it.

Regardless, the user not having the knowledge that they can do it doesn't change that it would still be a property of Logias.

It's a possible power that Logias can master at some point, it's the same thing as saying anyone with haki can use future vision because anyone with haki can potencially master future vision at some point, to avoid this the haki page makes distintion between the level of mastery each of them has over haki.

We've not seen any examples of an Awakened Logia and we can't say the permanent change to Punk Hazard was because of an Awakening or just greater strength on Sakazuki and Kuzans part.

Again as I said it was a theory that I saw in many groups it wasn't saying it was right I was saying that if they are capable of doing it through awakening it's a question of mastery. We also don't know how exacly did they influence the weather to became like that, it seems obvious that their powers just affected the temperature surrounding them causing the weather to change permanently but it's not like it's official, but it's clear that logias don't change weather passively nor is it even an ability that every logia is confirmed to have from the moment they eat the fruit, it's an ability that may or may not be possible if they reach a certain level of mastery over their fruit.

These aren't really AP feats directly but because Logias embody an element and can alter their environment, which can include the weather.

It can include the weather but also might not include weather, we saw Kizaru fight Luffy he did not affect the weather you can try to argue he simple didn't want to but it doesn't really matter because he has never shown to be able to, the point is the same, I'm not doubting their ability to manipulate their environment or the element they control even around them, I'm doubting that all logias can affect the weather.

I'm already going to change it to put the "Possibly" on Weather Manipulation but this feels like its missing the point? Like if Blackbeard did make some permanent dark zone somewhere and we see it affect the weather, then it affects the weather?

The point is not if their powers could potencially affect weather, for those characters it's not even that hard, technically if you destroy clouds while raining you can easily make it stop raining not that is actually weather manipulation. The main point is it's not a given that they can do it, you need a certain level of mastery to do it, even if you are capable of doing it.

Again, Logias embody an element of nature and can alter their environments, which can include the weather. Crocodiles fruit doesn't influence temperature or have any weather specific abilities but he can still alter the weather in Alabasta, so even if elements can differ in application that doesn't take away from their base abilities as Logias.

Crocodile is no different, he is not dropping the temperature nor increasing it, what he does is creating sandstorms by moving sand in circles fast or using his dehidration powers to stop clouds from making it rain, they are controlling weather in completely different ways, they aren't using the same method or causing the same weather events to happen and it's entirely dependent on the possible uses of their elements, which you have no guarantee that all logias have that possibility or if the person simple knows how to do it, maybe if we applied some physics you can find a way to have light or darkness affect the weather in some form but unless Oda shows it happening it simple is not a possibility for them and even if they did eventually show them as capable of doing it, it's simply a possible application that requires the user to know how therefore requiring mastery, which brings us again to the example of all haki users having future vision.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Maybe multiple selves but the times they lose control is more like going bersek than actually multiple selves. Life Manipulation just doesn't work

It says Body weaponry can also have body control it doesn't say that body control=Body weaponry.

Chopper's transformation is exceptional because he is half raindeer half human, without his half raindeer which is natural to him and has nothing to do with the fruit the he would just be a human human, maybe if we assume the other base qualities of a zoan such as regeneration and reactive evolution he could start using teeth and nails as "weapons" but it's not something that is a given, it requires trainning and mastery over the fruit, that's not what physiologies are about. For example seeing a species with hears = that species has hearing, but just because a species has hands it doesn't mean they are martial artists despite having the potencial to do it.

It's a possible power that Logias can master at some point, it's the same thing as saying anyone with haki can use future vision because anyone with haki can potencially master future vision at some point, to avoid this the haki page makes distintion between the level of mastery each of them has over haki.

Again as I said it was a theory that I saw in many groups it wasn't saying it was right I was saying that if they are capable of doing it through awakening it's a question of mastery. We also don't know how exacly did they influence the weather to became like that, it seems obvious that their powers just affected the temperature surrounding them causing the weather to change permanently but it's not like it's official, but it's clear that logias don't change weather passively nor is it even an ability that every logia is confirmed to have from the moment they eat the fruit, it's an ability that may or may not be possible if they reach a certain level of mastery over their fruit.

It can include the weather but also might not include weather, we saw Kizaru fight Luffy he did not affect the weather you can try to argue he simple didn't want to but it doesn't really matter because he has never shown to be able to, the point is the same, I'm not doubting their ability to manipulate their environment or the element they control even around them, I'm doubting that all logias can affect the weather.

The point is not if their powers could potencially affect weather, for those characters it's not even that hard, technically if you destroy clouds while raining you can easily make it stop raining not that is actually weather manipulation. The main point is it's not a given that they can do it, you need a certain level of mastery to do it, even if you are capable of doing it.

Crocodile is no different, he is not dropping the temperature nor increasing it, what he does is creating sandstorms by moving sand in circles fast or using his dehidration powers to stop clouds from making it rain, they are controlling weather in completely different ways, they aren't using the same method or causing the same weather events to happen and it's entirely dependent on the possible uses of their elements, which you have no guarantee that all logias have that possibility or if the person simple knows how to do it, maybe if we applied some physics you can find a way to have light or darkness affect the weather in some form but unless Oda shows it happening it simple is not a possibility for them and even if they did eventually show them as capable of doing it, it's simply a possible application that requires the user to know how therefore requiring mastery, which brings us again to the example of all haki users having future vision.

The issue I have with Multiple Selves is that for inanimate object Zoans there is no Multiple Selves, they just become a singular sentient animal. Zoans also don't have some kind of Berserk Mode they can access, it's just a risk that can come from Awakening where a user can be overtaken by the animal will and then be reduced to mindless beasts that aren't exactly berserk. Minor Life Manipulation works here because the Zoan Fruit literally brings something to life within the user, be it a living thing or inanimate object.

Body Control and Bodily Weaponry are different, but Luffy clearly has both, the AP distinction is moot here because again, the note exists to exclude everyone having it. I can note the exception for now but that would need to be changed/updated on Luffys profile.

Again this is missing the point, the only reason you're not considering it as an exceptional transformation is because We're human, and Oda's comment on a human eating the fruit becoming "more human-like" doesn't detract from that. Humans naturally have bodily weaponry, and this is a special circumstance because Choppers Zoan transformation is Into a human.

It's... not? This distinction doesn't matter because there's no showings of standard Logia vs Awakened Logias nor do Logias come in levels the way Haki mastery does, and by the nature of being a Logia they have this ability. Any Devil Fruit has the ability to be developed more, but there's no levels of Logias that'd denote them having different tiers of abilities. Not being proficient in using an ability doesn't mean that you still don't have said ability. I also never claimed this was some kind of passive ability? This is entirely from them using their abilities.

"Why didn't Kizaru affect the weather while fighting Luffy?" is a non-argument. It's not like when a Logia uses their ability that suddenly all the weather around them changes to match their usage. There's multiple showings of Logias both manipulating the environment and the weather, and these have always been described as properties of Logias. I already even put in the description that individual effectiveness depends on the individual element. All Logia's share this ability, mastery or otherwise, and even assuming mastery was a factor, that'd still apply to their physiology section because this Isn't like Haki. People in One Piece might have Haki within then, but Haki requires training and skill to use at all. Once you eat a Logia Devil Fruit, your body changes and you automatically have the powers. You can refine the ability further, but you still have the ability regardless.

So you agree then, Logia's can alter the weather in different ways based on their individual elements. Saying that things like Light or Darkness couldn't have those applications despite being Logias just because they haven't been shown doesn't work when, AGAIN, Logia's have this inherent property to their abilities due to literally embodying and becoming a natural element. And again, the Possibly is there exactly for this, because we don't know how those types of weather changes would look like. There's no indication anywhere of mastery being a factor.

Btw how do you want me to count your vote? ngl we're just going in circles here.

 

[Zingerpond]

Looks quite good, though I'd change "A person can only eat a single Devil Fruit and wield a single Devil Fruit ability [...] Should a Devil Fruit user consume another Devil Fruit, they will die from their body "exploding into nothingness"." To "It is said a person can only eat a single Devil Fruit and wield a single Devil Fruit ability [...] Should a Devil Fruit user consume another Devil Fruit, it is believed they would die from their body "exploding into nothingness"" since we have never actually seen anyone try to eat 2 fruits and die, nor have we had any credible source from someone who has seen this phenomena and there is an explicit example of someone within the story having 2 fruit power and being fine.

I'd also add a section for Green Blood. Similar to how there is a section for artificial zoan fruits. Something like "Using the lineage factor of people who have eaten paramecia devil fruits Vegapunk managed to create an artificial substance called Green Blood that grants the same powers and weaknesses the original user of the paramecia devil fruit user. With Green Blood S-Hawk can use the power of the Supa Supa no Mi (Dice-Dice fruit) that was eaten by Daz Bonez."

 

[Fireld]

The sandbox looks good at a glance, great job!

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cool sesshomaru pfp

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Looks quite good, though I'd change "A person can only eat a single Devil Fruit and wield a single Devil Fruit ability [...] Should a Devil Fruit user consume another Devil Fruit, they will die from their body "exploding into nothingness"." To "It is said a person can only eat a single Devil Fruit and wield a single Devil Fruit ability [...] Should a Devil Fruit user consume another Devil Fruit, it is believed they would die from their body "exploding into nothingness"" since we have never actually seen anyone try to eat 2 fruits and die, nor have we had any credible source from someone who has seen this phenomena and there is an explicit example of someone within the story having 2 fruit power and being fine.

I'd also add a section for Green Blood. Similar to how there is a section for artificial zoan fruits. Something like "Using the lineage factor of people who have eaten paramecia devil fruits Vegapunk managed to create an artificial substance called Green Blood that grants the same powers and weaknesses the original user of the paramecia devil fruit user. With Green Blood S-Hawk can use the power of the Supa Supa no Mi (Dice-Dice fruit) that was eaten by Daz Bonez."

Idk exactly about the reword because we do have explicit confirmation from Blueno that a person does die if they eat two Devil Fruits, and the comment on "exploding into nothingness" comes from the One Piece Magezine. Blueno himself in the same scene also describes the person dying as "fractured until there was nothing." Blackbeard is also noted as an exception on the page and in-universe he is treated as weird because he can somehow have two Devil Fruits.

Green Blood section though is a good idea, I can add it in the Lineage Factor section.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

bump! one more staff vote needed

 

[KingTempest]

Nice, looks good with the new additions

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Nice, looks good with the new additions

Thanks! so is that enough votes? How do we go from here

 

[KingTempest]

Thanks! so is that enough votes? How do we go from here

Ask a content moderator/admin/bureaucrat to unlock the page, you switch the source (I can if need be), then they lock it again

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

Ask a content moderator/admin/bureaucrat to unlock the page, you switch the source (I can if need be), then they lock it again

I can switch the source, thanks

@Damage3245 @Kaydee1648 could one of you pls unlock the page? Threads passed

 

[KingTempest]

I can switch the source, thanks

@Damage3245 @Kaydee1648 could one of you pls unlock the page? Threads passed

Non-Staff members can't ping and usually just go to this thread for em

 

[Damage3245]

I've unlocked it.

 

[IbukiDoujisGiantTail]

I've unlocked it.

Alrighty, page has been edited and everything looks fine, so both it and this thread can be closed now. Thanks!