"Heaves ho, thieves and beggars, never shall we die!" - Pirates of the Caribbean Revival (Part 2.5 of 3): Profiles Rework

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

The previous CRT was about the protagonists, now it's the antagonists' turn.

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Davy Jones
Old Profile
New Profile

The P&As I added:

• Intangibility
• Sealing
• Bodily Weaponry
• Social Influencing
• Vehicular Mastery
• Acrobatics

- Self-Sustenance

The P&As I removed:

• Summoning (Davy Jones does not summon the Kraken himself (and probably the other sea creatures), it is the Flying Dutchman via Captain Hammer).
• Dimensional Travel (Again, this is an ability of the Flying Dutchman, not of Davy Jones himself).
• Pocket Reality Manipulation (There is literally no evidence of that, at least not in the films or guidebooks, as far as I know).

Agree: @Damage3245, @Random-Helper323, @Armorchompy
Disagree:
Neutral:

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Blackbeard
Old Profile
New Profile

The P&As I added:

• Poison Manipulation
• Sleep Manipulation
• Damage Transferal
• Acrobatics

The P&As I removed:

• Biological Manipulation & Pain Inducement (which I replaced with damage transferal)
• As with Hector Barbossa, I removed Triton's sword abilities because the latter will have its own page.

Agree: @Damage3245, @Random-Helper323, @Armorchompy
Disagree:
Neutral:

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Armando Salazar
Old Profile
New Profile

The P&As I added:
- Acrobatics

The P&As I removed:

• Life Manipulation (It's just an unconventional form of Necromancy that can also affect the "dead objects", not life manipulation)
• I removed Trident of Poseidon's abilities because the latter will have its own page.

Agree: @Damage3245, @Random-Helper323, @Armorchompy
Disagree:
Neutral:

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The Kraken
Old Profile
New Profile

The P&As I added:

• Some Giant Squid P&A
• Longevity
• Social Influencing
• Stealth Mastery
• Soul Manipulation
• BFR
• Clairvoyance
• Fragrance Manipulation

The P&As I removed:
- Dimensional Travel (There is no evidence of that, and it's BFR).
Another important point to note is that I downgraded the Kraken from 8-A to High 8-C because the calculation is based on unsourced information ("According to Google, the Kraken is 1400 feet or 426.72 meters long")

Agree: @Damage3245, @Random-Helper323, @Armorchompy (except with SI)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[AyOgUyS]

looks fine at a glance, I agree

 

[RoTt35]

The size and KE of the Kraken could be recalculated using this concept art

 

[Damage3245]

For an additional weakness for Davy Jones, I believe he and his crew can only teleport to other ships at night. Each time we've seen them teleport, it's been at night and when pursuing the Black Pearl at daytime none of his crew teleported aboard it. Or if not a weakness then it should be added in the description of the ability.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

For an additional weakness for Davy Jones, I believe he and his crew can only teleport to other ships at night. Each time we've seen them teleport, it's been at night and when pursuing the Black Pearl at daytime none of his crew teleported aboard it. Or if not a weakness then it should be added in the description of the ability.

Good point, I'll add that later.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Blackbeard
Would add a justification for speed, and also since he carries a pistol said pistol should probably gets its own speed rating (Maybe also AP but idk how the franchise handles guns so).
Also if he's based on the real Blackbeard, and presumably is his ship's captain, he should get Vehicular Mastery
Btw what is the Sword of Triton, can't see anything for it in P&A yet it seems to give him higher range then his magic somehow?

The Kraken
Should it really get stuff like Instinctive Action and Regeneration, since as far as the page shows, nothing says it's an outright squid, just that it looks like one.
Heck, the fact it has a ton of sharp teeth already shows it's biologically different beyond it's size, so I see no reason to assume other traits that are not self-evident carry over.
As for speed, why not at least scale it to boat speed, considering it can catch those? (Seems like the AP calc also has it as Supersonic, so that's also an option I imagine)
On the same note, for lifting strength I imagine you can at least give it class 25 to 50 seeing it can stop a ship dead in its track and proceed to rip it in half.
Also in range "Hundreds of meters" needs the m capitalized.

Armando Salazar
Again would justify speed.
If he's a high ranking naval officer and has been stuck his undeath commanding a boat he should get Vehicular Mastery.
What the hell is the Trident of Poseidon?

Davy Jones
Same comments about speed as Blackbeard, including the pistols.

 

[Comiphorous]

Shouldn't davy jones have a higher rating with his claw arm? he can snap and bend blades with ease with it, and is pretty much depicted a lot stronger than his usual self. I agree with tllmbrg with everything else.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Btw what is the Sword of Triton, can't see anything for it in P&A yet it seems to give him higher range then his magic somehow?

What the hell is the Trident of Poseidon?

As I said in the OP, they will have their own pages so I find it unnecessary to mention their capabilities on other pages, I prefer to just mention them in their user's equipment with a link to their page and that's all.

Should it really get stuff like Instinctive Action and Regeneration, since as far as the page shows, nothing says it's an outright squid, just that it looks like one.
Heck, the fact it has a ton of sharp teeth already shows it's biologically different beyond it's size, so I see no reason to assume other traits that are not self-evident carry over.

Fair

As for speed, why not at least scale it to boat speed, considering it can catch those? (Seems like the AP calc also has it as Supersonic, so that's also an option I imagine)
On the same note, for lifting strength I imagine you can at least give it class 25 to 50 seeing it can stop a ship dead in its track and proceed to rip it in half.
Also in range "Hundreds of meters" needs the m capitalized.

Okay

If he's a high ranking naval officer and has been stuck his undeath commanding a boat he should get Vehicular Mastery.

Also if he's based on the real Blackbeard, and presumably is his ship's captain, he should get Vehicular Mastery

We didn't see them do anything beyond what an average sailor can do, so I don't know.

Would add a justification for speed

Again would justify speed.

Same comments about speed as Blackbeard

I think the feats shown in the Weapon Mastery section are sufficient.

including the pistols.

We haven't seen Davy Jones use a gun once in the films, so that's why he doesn't have one in his equipment.

 

[Tllmbrg]

As I said in the OP, they will have their own pages so I find it unnecessary to mention their capabilities on other pages, I prefer to just mention them in their user's equipment with a link to their page and that's all.

Then add the item as equipment in a later CRT, right now it's confusing as hell.

We didn't see them do anything beyond what an average sailor can do, so I don't know.

The average sailor would get that, they're trained professionals, it's not like you can operate a ship entirely on your own (I even had a CRT checking if people agree to that, the sentiment among staff was yes)

 

[Comiphorous]

As I said in the OP, they will have their own pages so I find it unnecessary to mention their capabilities on other pages, I prefer to just mention them in their user's equipment with a link to their page and that's all.

Is his ship going to get it's own page too? If it's not, he should get abilities from having the ship.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Is his ship going to get it's own page too?

Yes:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean_(Film_Series)

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Shouldn't davy jones have a higher rating with his claw arm? he can snap and bend blades with ease with it, and is pretty much depicted a lot stronger than his usual self.

I suppose we could give him a "higher with his claw," yeah.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Okay when I said "detail the Peak Human speed" I meant explain what feats put them there.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Okay when I said "detail the Peak Human speed" I meant explain what feats put them there.

I know, but they're already featured in Weapon Mastery; it's the sword fighting. If that's not enough for Peak Human, I'll put them in Athletic Human.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I know, but they're already featured in Weapon Mastery; it's the sword fighting. If that's not enough for Peak Human, I'll put them in Athletic Human.

Why would them sword fighting be peak human, do you think HEMA guys irl are all peak human in speed?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Why would them sword fighting be peak human, do you think HEMA guys irl are all peak human in speed?

Fair

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Bump

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Bump

 

[Tllmbrg]

@Armorchompy @Random-Helper323

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

For an additional weakness for Davy Jones, I believe he and his crew can only teleport to other ships at night. Each time we've seen them teleport, it's been at night and when pursuing the Black Pearl at daytime none of his crew teleported aboard it. Or if not a weakness then it should be added in the description of the ability.

Should I add you to the "Agree" section for all profiles btw?

 

[Damage3245]

Should I add you to the "Agree" section for all profiles btw?

Yeah, I think the rest is fine.

 

[Armorchompy]

If they're shown fighting multiple people at once in close quarters then Peak Human would be fine

Why would them sword fighting be peak human, do you think HEMA guys irl are all peak human in speed?

Any masterful practitioner of a combat art would definitely be peak human lol that's what the rating means. It's really not that hard to qualify

I disagree with Damage's suggestion, if they never imply the night teleportation limit in-verse then I don't see a reason to assume it's an unspoken limitation rather than PIS or some other reason we're not privy to.

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't think the Kraken should have social influencing for just being a big scary monster. High 8-C is also not really correct without a calc, do we have a way to gauge its travel speed? Maybe it catches up to a ship or something. If so I could recalc its KE based on the "ten ships" statement... provided you figure out what kinds of ship, I don't know that sort of stuff.

Should Salazar have the trident as optional equipment? If memory serves he used it fairly prominently in the movie's climax.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Jones's intangibility is a bit weird due to how it functions. It seems like he partially liquefies or something. It's fine though, it just might be limited.

The rest is fine.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

High 8-C is also not really correct without a calc

There's a calc, the link is already on the page.

Should Salazar have the trident as optional equipment?

Already listed too

 

[Tllmbrg]

I don't think the Kraken should have social influencing for just being a big scary monster.

To be completely fair, as written the SI for now still counts reputation, and some of the fear based guys are just
"People that look intimidating" like King.

Any masterful practitioner of a combat art would definitely be peak human lol that's what the rating means. It's really not that hard to qualify

Ehhhhhhh idk about that, should every Karate black belt be Peak Human in speed?

 

[Armorchompy]

There's a calc, the link is already on the page.


Already listed too

My bad.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

provided you figure out what kinds of ship, I don't know that sort of stuff.

Me too, but I think we could use ships similar to the main ships in the films, like the Black Pearl.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I will probably do another CRT for the accepted calculations, I will apply these two CRTs (Part 2 and Part 2.5) because I also have to prepare the third one.

 

[Armorchompy]

To be completely fair, as written the SI for now still counts reputation, and some of the fear based guys are just
"People that look intimidating" like King.

"Looking intimidating" when you're as baseline a normal human who's just good at aura farming is different from being intimidating because you're a giant fuckoff monster. At this point give every human SI because you can scare off small animals by existing.

Ehhhhhhh idk about that, should every Karate black belt be Peak Human in speed?

There's a difference between "every karate black belt" and "people with action movie tier combat skills"