Demon Slayer Mark

[Aytugsss]

a common trope in animanga is when characters gain massive boosts in stats throughout the story

Not that much 10 x so much for training boost

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Agree, a 10x speed gap is enough to comfortably speed blitz and Giyuu went from somewhat keeping pace with Akaza without the mark to.. becoming slightly faster than Akaza at best with the mark

Akaza is holding back? I don’t know why this is a hard concept when the original CRT even explained the Akaza and Kokushibo fights and how they both collectively held back against the Hashiras for the hell of it.

For this to work, you’d literally have to ignore every single other moment where the mark is shown to be a speed blitz amp.

(Base Muichiro goes from getting no diffed and outspeed by a casual Gyokko mocking him to casually reverse blitzing and statuing a Gyokko who was in a stronger/faster form at full power and didn’t even realize he got decapitated)

It’s also just Occam’s Razor; much more of an assumption that Akaza was holding back against a Hashira that he directly called strong, rather than the multiplier not amping speed as much as strength

Because it’s in his character to hold back? Dude he glazed the hell out of Rengoku who just upscales Tengen and Base Mitsuri to some unknown agree and repeatedly called him strong. Akaza was barely using any blood demon art attacks against Rengoku and he was still man handling him. Rengoku struggled blocking basic shockwaves from Akaza while Akaza himself was fighting hella casual and laughing the entire time.

By this logic, somehow Akaza was going all out against Rengoku and that Base Rengoku = Post Hashira Training MARKED Giyuu, the same Rengoku who didn’t even train in the HTA arc, all because he called Rengoku strong.

(This is also ignoring how Akaza is only excited because almost everyone in the Demon Slayer Corps are bums besides the current Hashiras. Even previous hashiras that died to the moons are canonically known to being bums as even Base Daki can kill them while the weakest current gen hashira Tengen can no diff blitz her)

 

[Aytugsss]

Akaza is holding back? I don’t know why this is a hard concept when the original CRT even explained the Akaza and Kokushibo fights and how they both collectively held back against the Hashiras for the hell of it.

For this to work, you’d literally have to ignore every single other moment where the mark is shown to be a speed blitz amp.

(Base Muichiro goes from getting no diffed and outspeed by a casual Gyokko mocking him to casually reverse blitzing and statuing a Gyokko who was in a stronger/faster form at full power and didn’t even realize he got decapitated. The same Base Muichiro prior who said Base Gyokko’s speed was in another dimension)


Because it’s in his character to hold back? Dude he glazed the hell out of Rengoku who just upscales Tengen and Base Mitsuri to some unknown agree and repeatedly called him strong. Akaza was barely using any blood demon art attacks against Rengoku and he was still man handling him. Rengoku struggled blocking basic shockwaves from Akaza while Akaza himself was fighting hella casual and laughing the entire time.

By this logic, somehow Akaza was going all out against Rengoku and that Base Rengoku = Post Hashira Training MARKED Giyuu, the same Rengoku who didn’t even train in the HTA arc, all because he called Rengoku strong.

(This is also ignoring how Akaza is only excited because almost everyone in the Demon Slayer Corps are bums besides the current Hashiras. Even previous hashiras that died to the moons are canonically known to being bums as even Base Daki can kill them while the weakest current gen hashira Tengen can no diff blitz her)

Akaza was holding back amd we accept it
But base giyuu was also holding back and didnt take any damage from akaza
Also akaza was so angry at tanjiro and he tries to blitz him but marked tanjiro was able to react attack from angry akaza
İ dont know akaza was holding back so much against tanjiro and even if you dont accept it please explain me to why base sanemi is 10 x faster than base muichiro who casually equal to him in hta
But suddenly sanemi got power up between hta and ica it is true to you?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

New Users and rushing to CRTS. At least this one got scans
Following for arguments I guess but, at the end of the day...

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Akaza was holding back amd we accept it

Clearly not considering what I just replied to

But base giyuu was also holding back and didnt take any damage from akaza

Holding back where? All I see is him struggling to keep up with Akaza after he ramped up his attacks and got launched half way across the Infinity fortress. Literally his line after coming back was complaining about his back being in pain due to Akaza

Also akaza was so angry at tanjiro and he tries to blitz him but marked tanjiro was able to react attack from angry akaza

And he was clearly holding back. Tanjiro afterwards was struggling to keep up with Akaza and was being hard carried by Base Giyu.

İ dont know akaza was holding back so much against tanjiro

Akaza was holding back against Tanjiro because this is in his character to do so as proven with his own fight against Akaza. He enjoys savoring a fight and seeing all of his opponents swordsmanship and techniques. The ONLY time he truly didn’t hold back was when Tanjiro actually became a threat to his own life and his entire body telling him to immediately kill Tanjiro on the spot.

Like again, the entire fight Tanjiro was struggling to keep up and was being hard carried by Base Giyu. If he truly wanted to kill those 2 he would’ve done so immediately. Which is clearly in his capability to do so.

and even if you dont accept it please explain me to why base sanemi is 10 x faster than base muichiro who casually equal to him in hta

Because Sanemi simply became faster than him after a training arc? This is proven because Marked Muichiro got double blitzed by Kokushibo and he didn’t even use a breathing technique to easily manhandle him. Compare this to Base Sanemi who kept up with a Danmaku crescent moon spam from a Kokushibo. Muichiro even said he was the least useful and can’t really do much.

But suddenly sanemi got power up between hta and ica it is true to you?

It’s a training arc. Of course he got faster since then. Sanemi is the second strongest Hashira for a reason.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

New Users and rushing to CRTS. At least this one got scans
Following for arguments I guess but, at the end of the day...

Nah nah you see apparently Akaza’s entire in character personality that Gotouge wrote is an oocam razor incarnated

 

[Aytugsss]

New Users and rushing to CRTS. At least this one got scans
Following for arguments I guess but, at the end of the day...

İm new i know it but before i sign up i already searching things in vsb

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Nah nah you see apparently Akaza’s entire in character personality that Gotouge wrote is an oocam razor incarnated

You know the funniest thing with the “he called his opponent strong” scaling is that you have Kokushibo calling Muichiro very talented and strong just for him to blitz and one shot Marked Muichiro into a pillar using his own sword against him without a breathing technique. But apparently this would mean Marked Muichiro = Kokushibo because he called him strong so

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Btw no matter what. With or without a multiplier, the mark is still a confirmed perception blitz amp with its showings.

So either Akaza is holding back like he always does in his fights, something that is in character for him to do, or Akaza’s RE AD is that strong

 

[Lort15]

that's cap i blitz everyone in Demonfall when i awaken my mark tch tch , following

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

that's cap i blitz everyone in Demonfall when i awaken my mark tch tch , following

Wisteria 1 solos

 

[Lort15]

Wisteria 1 solos

Project slayers neg diffs

 

[Arkenis]

I hate everyone. Why is the dm scan just a blurry ******* raw fanbook with no translation to go with.

 

[M2u12]

I’m just a casual watcher/reader, but I have to say I disagree with the OP.
i think the supporters have already addressed and debunked the OP arguments
(honestly, I thought this was already clear to anyone who actually watched/read DS lol).

It’s a strange assumption to claim that Mark, which was consistently shown to be a massive boost, allowing characters to keep up with and even blitz opponents who previously outpaced them, decapitate demons like butter when in their base couldn't even budge their sword an inch, isn't a massive boost.
Denying this feels like a direct contradiction of what the narrative is trying to convey ngl.

 

[Aytugsss]

Btw no matter what. With or without a multiplier, the mark is still a confirmed perception blitz amp with its showings.

So either Akaza is holding back like he always does in his fights, something that is in character for him to do, or Akaza’s RE AD is that strong

5x can be perpection blitz to
Or 3 x
Or 4 x also can be perpection blitz but you never debunk my main argument

 

[Aytugsss]

I’m just a casual watcher/reader, but I have to say I disagree with the OP.
i think the supporters have already addressed and debunked the OP arguments
(honestly, I thought this was already clear to anyone who actually watched/read DS lol).

It’s a strange assumption to claim that Mark, which was consistently shown to be a massive boost, allowing characters to keep up with and even blitz opponents who previously outpaced them, decapitate demons like butter when in their base couldn't even budge their sword an inch, isn't a massive boost.
Denying this feels like a direct contradiction of what the narrative is trying to convey ngl.

But my main argument is sanemi far above than giyuu and obanai and its should be wrong

 

[Aytugsss]

I hate everyone. Why is the dm scan just a blurry ******* raw fanbook with no translation to go with.

İ dont understand
Sorry but did you answer to my arguments or you just found wrong that your panel

 

[M2u12]

5x can be perpection blitz to
Or 3 x
Or 4 x also can be perpection blitz but you never debunk my main argument

But why does it have to be 3×-5x when it already explicitly told to be 10×?

But my main argument is sanemi far above than giyuu and obanai and its should be wrong

So why is that a problem? I think the story makes it clear he was truly superior?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

İm new i know it but before i sign up i already searching things in vsb

gotcha, I understand that.
In any case, welcome aboard and happy you're here

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

5x can be perpection blitz to
Or 3 x
Or 4 x also can be perpection blitz but you never debunk my main argument

And we can’t arbitrary apply a random number other than the one we were told

But my main argument is sanemi far above than giyuu and obanai and its should be wrong

Then literally propose for them to scale to Sanemi’s speed. Problem solved.

 

[Aytugsss]

Clearly not considering what I just replied to

Holding back where? All I see is him struggling to keep up with Akaza after he ramped up his attacks and got launched half way across the Infinity fortress. Literally his line after coming back was complaining about his back being in pain due to Akaza


And he was clearly holding back. Tanjiro afterwards was struggling to keep up with Akaza and was being hard carried by Base Giyu.


Akaza was holding back against Tanjiro because this is in his character to do so as proven with his own fight against Akaza. He enjoys savoring a fight and seeing all of his opponents swordsmanship and techniques. The ONLY time he truly didn’t hold back was when Tanjiro actually became a threat to his own life and his entire body telling him to immediately kill Tanjiro on the spot.

Like again, the entire fight Tanjiro was struggling to keep up and was being hard carried by Base Giyu. If he truly wanted to kill those 2 he would’ve done so immediately. Which is clearly in his capability to do so.


Because Sanemi simply became faster than him after a training arc? This is proven because Marked Muichiro got double blitzed by Kokushibo and he didn’t even use a breathing technique to easily manhandle him. Compare this to Base Sanemi who kept up with a Danmaku crescent moon spam from a Kokushibo. Muichiro even said he was the least useful and can’t really do much.


It’s a training arc. Of course he got faster since then. Sanemi is the second strongest Hashira for a reason.

No you just talking without being objective
Again akaza was not fully holding back because we see he literally tried to blitz tanjiro
Giyuu calims he was held back during the first clash he said i dont want to wield my bkade to best of my abilty and giyuu didnt take any direct hit in base form
Also i dont know if we can use novelazition for arguments but i know that novelazition is 3 rd canon so its literaly stated that akaza was full trying against giyuu
Giyuu only lost when he lost pace because of wounds and tiring that calimed bot by him and tanjiro
Also if you say akaza was holding back because he didnt use end style
You should say muzan and douma was also holding back during their fights or you should say zenitsu was holdign back against kaigaku.
Muichiro should get the same amp with sanemi becauee they bot trained in the same time and in the almost same way
There is evidence that sanemi trains more or better.
And sanemi state muichiro lost due to inexperienced because of how kokushibo attacks.
And its still contradiction that sanemi is 10 x faster than muichiro who casually go ad eqaull with him

 

[Aytugsss]

But why does it have to be 3×-5x when it already explicitly told to be 10×?

So why is that a problem? I think the story makes it clear he was truly superior?

I only gave these as examples.
Sanemi could be superior to them but 10 x is way to much because they already almost equall as eachother and story make understandable
Also the 10x amp could be exaggeration and i think it is

 

[Aytugsss]

And we can’t arbitrary apply a random number other than the one we were told


Then literally propose for them to scale to Sanemi’s speed. Problem solved.

İ used these numbers for examples.
İ think that to but the muichiro argument is still feels so wrong because of panels is showed

 

[Aytugsss]

gotcha, I understand that.
In any case, welcome aboard and happy you're here

Thank you i really appreciate it

 

[M2u12]

I only gave these as examples.
Sanemi could be superior to them but 10 x is way to much because they already almost equall as eachother and story make understandable

If you have a problem with that, you need to argue about inverse scaling, not about multiplier...

Also the 10x amp could be exaggeration and i think it is

"Wow, the fanbook explicitly stated it's a 10x multiplier, so obviously it must be an exaggerationnnnn "
Sorry if I'm being a bit blunt, but be fr bro

 

[Epyriel]

İs Sanemi get amped between hta and ica
Because you said vsb state that hta muichiro sanemi and obanai was equal

Feel free to just check Sanemi’s profile. But yes, currently it is listed as if Sanemi was equal during HTA and then grew stronger/faster during the ICA.

I think it is more likely that he and Obanai were simply holding back in that anime-only scene to train Muichiro as the most natural explanation, but either way it doesn’t really pose a problem for the mark being consistently portrayed as a massive amp.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Again akaza was not fully holding back because we see he literally tried to blitz tanjiro

literally all he did was the same thing he originally tried doing to Tanjiro back in Mugen train, nothing more.

Tanjiro 2 minutes later was STRUGGLING to even keep up with a casual Akaza and was being HARD CARRIED by Base Giyu. Literally blocking a attack still caused him pain

Akaza ONLY stopped holding back when his entire body was telling him to kill Tanjiro due to him being a genuine threat to his life.

Giyuu calims he was held back during the first clash he said i dont want to wield my bkade to best of my abilty and giyuu didnt take any direct hit in base form

Sure. I don’t know why this is relevant or matters though

Also Base Giyu was still overpowered and launched across the Infinity fortress with him saying his back is in pain.

Also i dont know if we can use novelazition for arguments but i know that novelazition is 3 rd canon so its literaly stated that akaza was full trying against giyuu

Tertiary canon doesn’t apply if the primary or secondary canon portrays the source differently.

The infinity fortress movie novelization states Akaza was trying “with all his might”, which is what not what we saw. He saw him laughing and taunting Giyu to fight even more harder. This is vastly different to Akaza truly trying when Akaza’s entire body was telling him to kill Tanjiro on the spot because he knew Tanjiro was an actual threat to him. At no point did he see Giyu as a legitimate threat to him. The moment Giyu ran out of techniques, Akaza just decided to one shot his sword.

Unironically if anything it shows Akaza is indeed holding back because his shockwave BDAs literally turned red against Marked Giyu despite being blue against base Giyu

Giyuu only lost when he lost pace because of wounds and tiring that calimed bot by him and tanjiro

I mean that can be a factor but literally the bottom line is that he was never a threat to Akaza in the first place. Literally during the fight Marked Giyu became terrified after Akaza starting cooking him when Giyu ran out of techniques. His own words saying Akaza is carnage and gave up everything/dedicated everything for purely strength. Keep in mind Akaza straight up bypassed dead calm from a Marked Giyu

Also if you say akaza was holding back because he didnt use end style

I’m saying that combined with the fact that he never saw Giyu as a threat. How he views Marked Giyu and how he views Selfless State Tanjiro are 2 entirely different things. His body is literally forcing him to go all out against Tanjiro or else he dies. Keep in mind this only happens WHEN Tanjiro is in selfless state.

You should say muzan and douma was also holding back during their fights or you should say zenitsu was holdign back against kaigaku.

Muzan wasn’t holding back for the most part. He was just weakened and drugged to hell.

Douma is 100% holding back. That is his ENTIRE character. He gives zero damn and jobs fights. The fact that you’re implying he actually went full power against KANAO and INOSUKE is astonishing considering he was literally going to leave the room and just have his ice clones toy with them.

Zenitsu wasn’t holding back against Kaigaku. He was clearly struggling to keep up with him.

Literally none of these examples apply to Akaza who was clearly superior to Giyu and Tanjiro from the start. Akaza’s character and personality is to literally enjoy a fight alongside every single context clues.

Muichiro should get the same amp with sanemi becauee they bot trained in the same time and in the almost same way

Yet Base Sanemi is superior to Marked Muichiro. Sanemi IS the second strongest hashira for a reason.

And sanemi state muichiro lost due to inexperienced because of how kokushibo attacks.

Dude. Sanemi fought against danmaku crescent moon spam. Marked Muichiro got blitzed by a single crescent moon slash and got man handled afterwards from Kokushibo who didn’t even use a breathing technique to intercept him and use his own sword to stab him into a pillar.

And its still contradiction that sanemi is 10 x faster than muichiro who casually go ad eqaull with him

Where. Equal???? Muichiro literally acknowledged that he accomplished nothing against Kokushibo while you have Sanemi boxing Longsword Kokushibo.

This ONLY applies to Hashira Training arc Sanemi and Muichiro. Something we ALREADY accept as them scaling to each other.

Sanemi could be superior to them but 10 x is way to much because they already almost equall as eachother and story make understandable

“Could be” no he blatantly is superior to him in every single aspect by a long shot.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Also “experience” is a weird argument to be banking on. Mitsuri stated fighting an upper moon is the equivalent to like 10 years of training gained. During the Hashira Training Arc, the only hashiras that actually fought an Upper Moon were Tengen, Mitsuri, and Muichiro. Unironically Muichiro himself has more experience dealing with upper moons than Sanemi. Hell, Muichiro is 1 of the only 2 people in the verse that actually did solo an Upper Moon.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Not that much 10 x so much for training boost

in real life? yea but this is fiction

 

[AyOgUyS]

Only changes in water breathing is eleventh form

no proof btw, who says water breathing a hundred years ago couldn't have started out with only 1 form?

 

[AyOgUyS]

Then muzan and douma wasnt use their full power?

Uh...yea? You do know Muzan was severely weakened by Tamayo's drug right? And Doma was literally laughing and playing around

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I only gave these as examples.
Sanemi could be superior to them but 10 x is way to much because they already almost equall as eachother and story make understandable
Also the 10x amp could be exaggeration and i think it is

It doesn't make sense to exaggerate when characters become so fast upon awakening the mark, that characters comparable to them become slow-motion compared to the market, or when characters faster than them are blitzed. There are calculations of Tanjiro's blitz on Hantengu clones being up to 100 times faster than the clones themselves. Mitsuri runs so fast that Zohakuten's Wood Dragons seem to stand still relative to her during parts of the fight when she's marked. Tokito, as already mentioned by Castorice, humiliates Gyokku in a way that surpasses even Gyokku's speed.

Reducing this to just 3, 4, or 5 times doesn't make sense, honestly. 10x is still a minimum value indicated by the minimum numerical value represented by Order of Magnitude.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Not just that when giyuu use his tenth and 7 th form he overpowered akaza i dont know if you count movie novelazition but vsb count this as 3 rd canon and its says akaza use his full might for the stop attack
And giyuu attack akaza then akaza break it and giyuu has no power to run back from the attack and akaza close their gap before giyuu run
And again giyuu was really tired

Yes, I consider the novelization. And even with it, Akaza still managed to defend against Giyu's most powerful attack with his arms. And actually, I believe he's talking about the tenth form, not the seventh.

Still, it's not very good to keep citing novelizations without accurate scans and translations on the wiki.

At this point, Giyu wasn't that tired, and he has superhuman stamina.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Uh...yea? You do know Muzan was severely weakened by Tamayo's drug right? And Doma was literally laughing and playing around

OP arguing Douma unironically used his full power against Kanao and Inosuke is actually CRAZY

 

[Aytugsss]

If you have a problem with that, you need to argue about inverse scaling, not about multiplier...

"Wow, the fanbook explicitly stated it's a 10x multiplier, so obviously it must be an exaggerationnnnn "
Sorry if I'm being a bit blunt, but be fr bro

Please debunk muichiro argument

 

[Aytugsss]

Feel free to just check Sanemi’s profile. But yes, currently it is listed as if Sanemi was equal during HTA and then grew stronger/faster during the ICA.

I think it is more likely that he and Obanai were simply holding back in that anime-only scene to train Muichiro as the most natural explanation, but either way it doesn’t really pose a problem for the mark being consistently portrayed as a massive amp.

But sanemi cant get different amp between hta and ica only training and trwining in a short time cant give 10x amp
İm i wrong
And i already show why is sanemi and obanai didnt hold back

 

[MrTayman616]

Just call for staff at this point imo. See their opinions on these.

 

[Aytugsss]

literally all he did was the same thing he originally tried doing to Tanjiro back in Mugen train, nothing more.

Tanjiro 2 minutes later was STRUGGLING to even keep up with a casual Akaza and was being HARD CARRIED by Base Giyu. Literally blocking a attack still caused him pain

Akaza ONLY stopped holding back when his entire body was telling him to kill Tanjiro due to him being a genuine threat to his life.


Sure. I don’t know why this is relevant or matters though

Also Base Giyu was still overpowered and launched across the Infinity fortress with him saying his back is in pain.


Tertiary canon doesn’t apply if the primary or secondary canon portrays the source differently.

The infinity fortress movie novelization states Akaza was trying “with all his might”, which is what not what we saw. He saw him laughing and taunting Giyu to fight even more harder. This is vastly different to Akaza truly trying when Akaza’s entire body was telling him to kill Tanjiro on the spot because he knew Tanjiro was an actual threat to him. At no point did he see Giyu as a legitimate threat to him. The moment Giyu ran out of techniques, Akaza just decided to one shot his sword.

Unironically if anything it shows Akaza is indeed holding back because his shockwave BDAs literally turned red against Marked Giyu despite being blue against base Giyu


I mean that can be a factor but literally the bottom line is that he was never a threat to Akaza in the first place. Literally during the fight Marked Giyu became terrified after Akaza starting cooking him when Giyu ran out of techniques. His own words saying Akaza is carnage and gave up everything/dedicated everything for purely strength. Keep in mind Akaza straight up bypassed dead calm from a Marked Giyu


I’m saying that combined with the fact that he never saw Giyu as a threat. How he views Marked Giyu and how he views Selfless State Tanjiro are 2 entirely different things. His body is literally forcing him to go all out against Tanjiro or else he dies. Keep in mind this only happens WHEN Tanjiro is in selfless state.


Muzan wasn’t holding back for the most part. He was just weakened and drugged to hell.

Douma is 100% holding back. That is his ENTIRE character. He gives zero damn and jobs fights. The fact that you’re implying he actually went full power against KANAO and INOSUKE is astonishing considering he was literally going to leave the room and just have his ice clones toy with them.

Zenitsu wasn’t holding back against Kaigaku. He was clearly struggling to keep up with him.

Literally none of these examples apply to Akaza who was clearly superior to Giyu and Tanjiro from the start. Akaza’s character and personality is to literally enjoy a fight alongside every single context clues.


Yet Base Sanemi is superior to Marked Muichiro. Sanemi IS the second strongest hashira for a reason.


Dude. Sanemi fought against danmaku crescent moon spam. Marked Muichiro got blitzed by a single crescent moon slash and got man handled afterwards from Kokushibo who didn’t even use a breathing technique to intercept him and use his own sword to stab him into a pillar.


Where. Equal???? Muichiro literally acknowledged that he accomplished nothing against Kokushibo while you have Sanemi boxing Longsword Kokushibo.

This ONLY applies to Hashira Training arc Sanemi and Muichiro. Something we ALREADY accept as them scaling to each other.


“Could be” no he blatantly is superior to him in every single aspect by a long shot.

İ dont understand why is sanemi got different power amp between hta and ica because you say they were equal in hta but sanemi got stronger like 10 x this is just wrong
Also i said muzan zeniteu and doma was holding back because you say akaza wasnt serious because he didnt use his strongest form but i said zenitsu didnt use 7 th form from the start or muzan didnt use his attack that one shot hashiras in the start or douma didnt use boddhova against shinobu when she get mental amp so if you think douma was holding back 100% why shinobu get scale from him.
And akaza beat tomiaka when tomiaka get tired and fatigued then he bream his sword also akaza did bypass elevent form with broken blade and wounded giyuu
You get wrong one more thing i said akaza was holding back but not full because he tried to kill tanjiro with kill intend and we see that clerlar

 

[Aytugsss]

in real life? yea but this is fiction

Still to much other characters train almost in the same way like obanai and muichiro

 

[Aytugsss]

no proof btw, who says water breathing a hundred years ago couldn't have started out with only 1 form?

Not hundered but 50 years and yeah giyuu only creat 11 form