• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament (16/16) FINISHED

Welcome, one and all, to the (actual) next tournament I have started!​


I got commissioned to make this. As always, unlike my last tournament, I will not abandon this one, hopefully.

The Tiersetter​


Instead of giving stat ranges, arbitrarily listing hax that isn't allowed, or trying to eyeball which profiles to disqualify, matches are usually made fair by listing a character which each submission has to have a chance of losing to. If a character is initially argued as risking a loss to the tiersetter, but is later reasoned to be stronger in a way that'd have them consistently beat the tiersetter, they will be disqualified from the tournament.
This time, said character has to lose to the tiersetter by at least 51% across multiple matches run.
In this case, the mage Khadgar (Guardian of Tirisfal) will be our tiersetter for this tournament.

How does he fight?
Khadgar is by definition a mage with poor physicals. Despite this, he isn't a slouch at melee combat by mortal terms, but he's mostly better with magic. He mainly focuses on barriers and trying not to get hit by any attacks, while dishing out any magic appropriate for the fight. While he certainly favours his often used abilities, he is also subject to using any magic in his PnA should the situation call for it.

Criteria

Your selected character will be matched against Khadgar. The criteria where your selected character will be accepted, among others not concerning the tiersetter is:
  • Your character must lose to Khadgar at least 51% of the time (from running multiple matches against him) under Standard Battle Assumptions (SBA)
  • The chance of losing must be legitimate; this would include valid wincons outlined (death, incapacitation), and should not be reliant on obscure interpretations or random mechanics (e.g., coin flips, wildly variable probability effects)
  • Your character must be permitted by le Versus Thread Rules.
    • Don't just vandalise the page of your intended character just so it can fit this tournament. I will personally make sure to verify whether the changed made to said profiles are genuine or not. Any profiles and users found breaking this rule will be reported swiftly and without EXCEPTION
  • Priority will be given to characters from differing users and verses to promote variety in participants
  • Tier 5-B characters are encouraged, but characters from any other tier can be submitted, since combatants are selected based on whether they can lose to the tiersetter or not
  • Maximum one submission per user. Backups are not subject to this rule, but selection is.
  • Only 16 characters that fit the criteria are chosen. Any further submissions will be backup instead (unless requested to be placed in backup while 16 slots aren't filled yet).

  • No FC/OC characters, no joke characters, no characters you thought of in your brain that isn't in the VSBW Wiki, no exceptions. There's a reason this tourney isn't posted in FC/OC or Joke Battle threads. I WILL PURPOSEFULLY IGNORE ANY SUBMISSIONS THAT HAVE THEIR PROFILES LINKED TO ANY NON-VSBW WIKIS.​


Match Information​


Note: The information disclosed also applies to the initial tiersetter match against Khadgar.
Arena
  • Via SBA, Central Park.
1920px-Global_Citizen_Festival_Central_Park_New_York_City_from_NYonAir_%2815351915006%29.jpg

  • Starting Distance will be based on SBA.
Match Conditions
  • Speed is equalized by default, but may remain unequalized if one character can mitigate the speed gap (e.g., through passives, resistances, durability advantages, etc.).
  • Matches will use SBA unless specified otherwise.
  • Rules are subject to changes on a per-match basis to make them fairer or more interesting
  • Wincon is via incapacitation or death
  • Combatants are allowed to magically view the other previous matches in-universe, except for the initial tiersetter match (hence, this only becomes effective from the quarter-finals onwards)
    • Now that the preliminary matches are over, this is now effective. Khadgar's matches are still unviewable.
Match Rules
  • 3 days (now 2 days) are given to both participating users to debate. Regardless of circumstances, I will decree the outcome of the match after the 3 days (2 days) for the sake of the tourney's pacing. While they may/may not be added to the profiles, further votes can be given so that these matches are eligible to be added to the respective character's profiles
    • An exception can be made should the participating user notify everyone in this thread that they'd be inactive for a bit or some other situation. A further 1 day will be given for such exception
    • If you no longer have any reason or motivation to continue participating in this tournament, notify in the thread to have your combatant removed (and depending on the tourney time, a replacement can be issued)
  • Inconclusive matches are also subject to the above rule, but I will issue a coin flip to decide who advances (unless the votes have a 3-4 vote difference, at which it is completely subject to the first rule instead)
Special Message from Dareaperman
Keep in mind people, I will be watching every thread. I will make a post for anyone to quote if they want to go "Hey this doesn't seem like it'll be beaten by the Tiersetter"
Click to expand...

Submissions​


  1. Rexxar - @DaReaperMan (594.4 ZT)
  2. Mavuika (Divine Throne/Ruler Of Death) - @Kisaragi_Megumi (59.44 ZT)
  3. Uzi Doorman (Base) - @Psychomaster35 (701 ZT)
  4. DCEU Superman - @Arkansalter2 (62.48 ZT)
  5. Jiraiya (NOT FROM NARUTO) - @Minaaaa (59.44 ZT)
  6. Naruto (War Arc) (Starts in Kurama Six Path Sage Mode) - @AlternativePrinciple (59.44 ZT) The Roaring Knight - @Qurbonboev (Upscales 6.3 MT)
  7. sans - @Eden_Warlock99 (High 8-C: Downscales 2.42 Tons; Can ignore conventional durability with KARMA and SOUL magic)
  8. Mira Yoo - @DavidTPPM (76.36 ZT)
  9. Jellal - @Zackra1799 (1.93 YT)
  10. Kamen Rider OOO (Episode 39-48) - @shootingrock (59.44 ZT, 5-A: 3.047 YT with Grand Of Rage & Lost Blaze; Can ignore conventional durability with Dura Neg from Spatial & Void Manip)
  11. Jenny Wakeman - @MysticBrawler (59.44 ZT)
  12. Ultraman Tregear (Early Style) - @EddisherSound (59.44 ZT)
  13. 23rd Budokai Tenshinhan - @Rex_Eckles (1.5 YT)
  14. The Batter - @Nonynho (75.43 ZT)
  15. Primal Groudon - @Friedoil11 (896.53 ZT)
  16. Hope Mikaelson - @Testarossa002 (59.44 ZT)

Backup Submissions​


  1. Deathwing (Aspect Of Death) - @DaReaperMan
  2. Arthas Menethil - @GAGGamerTheOverlord
  3. Primal Kyogre - @Thunderman101

Bracket​


Round 1​

ea20578cc91a.png


Round 2​

f8bfff66f9a0.png


Semi Finals​

84b88e840a92.png


Matches​


Round 1​

  1. Tien Shinhan vs DCEU Superman (Tien Advances)
  2. Uzi Doorman vs Jiraiya (Uzi Advances)
  3. The Roaring Knight vs Rexxar (RK Advances)
  4. Kamen Rider OOO vs Ultraman Tregear (OOO Advances)
  5. Primal Groudon vs The Batter (Groudon Advances)
  6. Jellal vs Mavuika
  7. Hope Mikaelson vs sans (Hope Advances)
  8. Jenny Wakeman vs Mira Yoo (Mira Yoo Leading)

Round 2​

  1. Mira Yoo vs Hope Mikaelson (Mira Yoo advances)
  2. Kamen Rider OOO vs Tien Shinhan (Tien advances)
  3. Primal Groudon vs The Roaring Knight (Primal Groudon advances)
  4. Jellal vs Uzi Doorman (Uzi Doorman advances)

Semi Finals​

  1. Mira Yoo vs Primal Groudon (Mira advances)
  2. Uzi Doorman vs Tien Shinhan (Uzi advances)

Finals​

  1. Mira Yoo vs Uzi Doorman (Uzi won)
 
Last edited:
Click to expand...
Shadowslash125 said:
Can't forget the resurrection as long as she isn't killed by oak with red
Click to expand...
It just turns her into a Vampire, if that shit is able to be dealt with or knocked out, she's gonna be a high-end contender but fine.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Ah, I was looking for the problem! Mid-high regen and layered Mind Manipulation ain't something Khadgar can deal with, how IC are they?
Click to expand...
The regen is passive. She uses compulsion (mind manipulation) a lot too. On the other hand, it's not something she can range snipe. She needs to be really close to the target
Shadowslash125 said:
Can't forget the resurrection as long as she isn't killed by oak with red
Click to expand...
nah. That is a one-time thing that turns her into a vampire. She's a fully activated tribrid here. So the resurrection no longer exists
 
Shadowslash125 said:
Ok for hope, so she just turns into a vampire when she dies, and she can just be knocked out or like even get EE'ed without becoming a vamp, right?
Click to expand...
she's already a vampire
the resurrection is only useful for her earlier keys where she's not a vampire
 
EddisherSound said:
Tregear, as a backup

I'll explain why he would lose more times than win later
Click to expand...
So, Tregear is baseline 5-B, meaning he could get oneshot by Khadgar, couple that with his versatility (I know nothing about Khadgar, so I'll just go with what Reaper said about him), I see him taking down Tregear more times than not

Now, for why he wouldn't get completely stomped, there's two things
And it's not the two elephants in Ultra Physiology. It was pointed out in the Ace vs Isshiki match, Conceptual Manipulation and Plot Manipulation (with what's accepted on the page anyway) are not really usable, and I kind of agree, both of them will have to be handled in the (far) future

But things that are actually going to help are Empowerment and Sealing
Empowerment lets Ultras to close massive gaps in strength, with one of the example listed on page and the CRT being Base Z getting to the level of Destrudos, which is around his Ultimate Form's level, which would be a 50 times increase. So why wouldn't the fight be a stomp in Tregear's favor then? Well, Empowerment is not something they could control, it's emotion based, and it entirely depends on Tregear's actions, so if his amps don't kick in early, he's pretty vulnerable

But the other thing that would let him pull some wins against Khadgar is Sealing. His sealing is arguably the best in the verse, being able to seal a 1-C god as a 5-B, and seems to maintain control over his body after absorbing the god, at least long enough to put on equipments that would help restrain said god. But even with the restrains helping him, his seal over the dude was still on even after he died, only breaking after dying while his emotions was all over the place, and we also see how impressive his sealing was when 7 Ultras have to give up their ability to transform to even seal that 1-C god for either months or a year. Even without the crazy fact that seven Ultras couldn't even do what Tregear did by himself, the fact that his seal didn't break even after dying would make him comparable to at least the Ultra Brothers, who sealed away Yapool and his strongest creation for 20 years, and the Ultras from Orb that could seal away Kaijus for at least hundreds of years
So if Tregear could evade Khadgar for sometime and get his sealing going, he would win, though as Reaper brought up, Khadgar is pretty versatile, so he might still be able to finish off Tregear before he could use his sealing
 
To be fair, what he uses kinda depends on what the enemy utilises

DaReaperMan said:
He's got an around 5x AP advantage and is an AoE king.
Click to expand...
There are other combatants that are 5-A already and iirc his AoE can be blocked, right? Also the SBA is at Khadgar's advantage.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
I mean, the tiersetter has ice manipulation, duplication, power nullification, time stop, and power mimicry. That's all cool.
Click to expand...
Thor is also an AoE God and doesn't really use magic Khadgar would be used to dispelling.
Shadowslash125 said:
To be fair, what he uses kinda depends on what the enemy utilises


There are other combatants that are 5-A already and iirc his AoE can be blocked, right? Also the SBA is at Khadgar's advantage.
Click to expand...
Said combatants also aren't just the biggest AoE gods who will bust through Khadgar's barriers with ease...
 
GAGGamerTheOverlord said:
I would like to use the redhead, but I don't think so, his level is 5-B with the conqueror's haki, plus the manga is not yet at the stage I want (Loki is being very broken and Shanks is escalating from that) so...The prince who fell?
Click to expand...
OP is unironically an instant no because of Haki...

But yeah at SBA distance and because he has prior knowledge basically, Khadgar beats Arthas.
 
holup, I'll consider Arthas in a later bit, since there's already a warcraft character in the roster, and my rules have me prioritise different verses.
I'll put him in backup for now because of that
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Shadowslash125
5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Round 1 Match 2: Uzi Doorman vs Jiraiya (Metal Heroes) (7-0-0) FINISHED
2
Replies
64
Views
5K
Thunderman101
Thunderman101
Shadowslash125
5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Round 1 Match 5: The Batter vs Primal Groudon (0-9-0) FINISHED
2
Replies
53
Views
4K
Shadowslash125
Shadowslash125
Shadowslash125
5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Round 1 Match 4: Kamen Rider OOO vs Ultraman Tregear (7-0-0) FINISHED
Replies
39
Views
3K
Shadowslash125
Shadowslash125
Shadowslash125
5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Semi Finals Match 1: Mira Yoo vs Primal Groudon (9-10-0) INCON GG FINISHED
2 3
Replies
111
Views
8K
DavidTPPM
DavidTPPM
Shadowslash125
5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Round 2 Match 3: Jellal vs Uzi Doorman (2-11-0) FINISHED
2 3
Replies
109
Views
6K
Kiryusolver9
Kiryusolver9
Back
Top