Acasuality for Bleach Gods

[ichimojii]

The eternal primordial sea was a realm with no life and death. The casuality in this world prevented people and matter from being destroyed. Essential anything damaged will simply revert to it's original state. Even abilites didn't work. For example hikone tried to control hisagi's nerves to force him to deactivate his bankai and that also got reverted. Hisagi's bankai is used in cfyow to show how the primordial sea worked. Haisgi's bankai already has casuality manipulation aswell.Ichibei,adneyous/prime soul and yhwach are a few beings that use to exist their so i think they should get type 4 Acasuality.



Transcended beings operate on different system of casuality. Aizen demonstrates this when he destroyed the kotosu a being of reason/law itself. Reason refers to the underline principles of the cosmos which all things are bound by. Their for reiastu ,spiritual things in general can't affect the kotosu since it's a universal law that applies to everything. Even orhimie's casuality manipulation didn't work on the kotosu which further substantiates the fact it doesn't operate on the same system of cause and affect. Being reason also gives the kotosu authority over space-time. Orhimie and comp would have have been flown 100s of years across time if not for uharahra's technologies. However none of this had any affect on aizen since his power his power transcended reason. This gives him resistance to future, past manipulation and power beyond normal casuality since we see twin god shield couldn't affect it however aizens power could. These are all prerequisites for Acasuality type 4 which all transcended beings should qualify


Isshin stated it wasnt aizen"s power but his exisistance seems off aswell. To him it felt as if he was fighting a ghost he theorized that only someone in the same place /location as him can fight him. The databooks also state isshin didnt damage aizen and that their not on the same persepctive/plane. Aizen later says he moved to plane beyond soul reapers which is why people cant percive his power. This is true since tatasuki couldnt feel any pressure from ichigo who is also transcended however she could feel a overwhlming force from aizen who had his reiatsu lowered so people could feel it. Another instanced is when aizen meet dangai ichigo, he thought he had no reiastu at all. This means aizen didnt see,feel or sense his reiatsu. So trancended reiatsu exist outside the normal plane and operates on another system of casuality. Acasuality type 4

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I'll add something more to Kototsu here. It is also stated to govern time within Dangai as well. So essentially, Aizen scales above laws of time as an existence which should be good enough for acausality with all the other reasonings presented here (not that Aizen needs it since reasons exists for those who primarily counts on it to survive).

 

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[speedster352]

I agree with the crt

 

[Duedate8898]

The actual big problem with what you're proposing right now is that the acausality they'd qualify for appears to come about as a result of the worlds previous cosmology not as a quality of these characters themselves. As seen by pretty much everyone's ultimate fate bar Aizen (in that they can die now thanks to the worlds new cosmology), they would no longer have this ability by the time we see pretty much everyone but the theoretical Prime Soul King.

And trying to tie that concept with the very limited transcendence phenomenon which is only applied to Ichigo and Aizen doesn't work either because this isn't really something that exist beyond Ichigo and Aizen for the Deicide arc.

The thing with Kototsu also isn't solid enough proof for acausality either as being able to kill a being such as Kototsu doesn't mean anything in terms of acausality because none of the evidence provided in the series as to why he could kill Kototsu points towards him possessing a form of acausality.

Without something more explicit which gives these qualities to these characters as a result of them over the state of their world, I can't support this OP.

 

[ichimojii]

The actual big problem with what you're proposing right now is that the acausality they'd qualify for appears to come about as a result of the worlds previous cosmology not as a quality of these characters themselves. As seen by pretty much everyone's ultimate fate bar Aizen (in that they can die now thanks to the worlds new cosmology), they would no longer have this ability by the time we see pretty much everyone but the theoretical Prime Soul King.

I mean the acausality page doesn't specify it has to be directly due to the characters themsleves. I'm only talking about the primordial sea versions of these characters not their current state.

And trying to tie that concept with the very limited transcendence phenomenon which is only applied to Ichigo and Aizen doesn't work either because this isn't really something that exist beyond Ichigo and Aizen for the Deicide arc.

It does actually kubo talk about this last year saying aizen and ichigo's transcendence is not the same as breaking the spiritual boundary between hollows and soul reaper. It's surpassing the boundary of soul. He also says aizen has a transcended presence and reiatsu

The thing with Kototsu also isn't solid enough proof for acausality either as being able to kill a being such as Kototsu doesn't mean anything in terms of acausality because none of the evidence provided in the series as to why he could kill Kototsu points towards him possessing a form of acausality.

-His power/existence exceeded reason

-Reason refers to the laws/principles of the world which govern space-time In bleach

-He got resistance to space-time manipulation

-transcended reiatsu can not be seen,sensed or felt unless the user allows it

-transcended reiatsu is stated multiple times to operate on a different plane by aizen,isshin and the databook



Clearly the narrative is pointing to them being beyond normal casuality

Without something more explicit which gives these qualities to these characters as a result of them over the state of their world, I can't support this OP.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Duedate makes sense, i disagree with the op

 

[DavidTPPM]

I also agree with Duedate but not in italic

 

[Damage3245]

I agree with Duedate.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

I also agree with Duedate

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Disagreeing with this as well for Duedates reasons.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Duedate makes sense actually. This won't can't cut it sadly.

 

[Mommyleona]

This is true since tatasuki couldnt feel any pressure from ichigo who is also transcended however she could feel a overwhlming force from aizen who had his reiatsu lowered so people could feel it. Another instanced is when aizen meet dangai ichigo, he thought he had no reiastu at all. This means aizen didnt see,feel or sense his reiatsu. So trancended reiatsu exist outside the normal plane and operates on another system of casuality. Acasuality type 4

And then we have Orihime feeling SK yhwach's reiatsu...

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

And then we have Orihime feeling SK yhwach's reiatsu...

She is special

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Ye very cosmology specific aspects like this wont really work as an ability. They'd have to be an active exception to already existing causality.

 

[AKUTO123]

Primordial ones should be acusalty4 just like reio his power transcend current universe law and casualty we saw this when orihime try to heal reio. Ichigo and aizen im not sure but reio should be

 

[ichimojii]

She is special

And then we have Orihime feeling SK yhwach's reiatsu...

When was this? Even if she did trancended beings can control When they want their reiatsu to be sensed.

Btw no one could tell that reio had died but aizen