"Horseman of War vs. Prince of the Dark" (Yoru vs. Ralsei) (Chainsaw Man vs Deltarune) (0-8-0) (Grace)

[Anonymous_Learner]

This fight was made solely due to the classic "kind character who's strong fights Serious character who's strong" and because I wanted a good CSM vs Deltarune matchup

Fight takes place in a Dark world
Starting Distance is 5 Meters
Speed is equalized
Both are in-character
Yoru is in control from the beginning
Gun and Tank Gauntlet Plus Gun Goddess are Restricted
Yoru has her Collenge Fund Turrets and Room 606 Sword granted to her
All of Yoru's Optional Equipment are granted to her besides previously mentioned restrictions

Post Fear Boost Yoru will be used
Attack Potency: 100 tons of TNT, Upscales 443.66 tons of TNT with Collenge Fund Turrets, 550 Tons with Room 606 Sword, ignores Durability with Strong Uniform Sword
Durability: 100 tons of TNT
Lifting Strength: Upscales 1.86 Metric Tons, Downscales from 925,664,855.00 Metric Tons with Room 606 Sword
IQ(Asa): Average, Above average in combat
IQ(Yoru): Below Average, Gifted in combat

Chapter 1 Ralsei will be used
Attack Potency: 513.24 Tons of TNT
Durability: 513.24 Tons of TNT
Lifting Strength: 111,402,244.342 Metric Tons
IQ: Above Average, Unspecified but very skilled in Combat (Crazy how deltarune profiles have a yap session about skill but don't specify if they're gifted or not but frisk has a likely gifted)

Embodiment of War:
Fluffy Boi: @Bruh, @AyOgUyS, @LittleGuy99, @Hiiilt, @Poketmonsrs, @Qurbonboev, @Anonymous_Learner, @Viott
They go fight Sukuna Together (Incon):

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

This'll either be good debating between two sets of powerful supports or a bad matchup

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Yoru loses. Voting whoever that guys is FRB.

 

[Epiccheev]

Ah yes chapter 1 ralsei. Aurafarming and looksmaxxing

 

[Steve1775]

Hmmmm

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Ah yes chapter 1 ralsei. Aurafarming and looksmaxxing

he totally did this, trust

 

[Arkenis]

How does Yoru deal with the lowhigh regen?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

How does Yoru deal with the lowhigh regen?

Only applies after Ralsei gets downed
the moment Ralsei becomes a pile of fluff, Yoru believes she's won and weaponizes him. No different than when she beat Falling and, despite her regening right before this, turns her into a coat

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Of course, Yoru would have to beat Ralsei first

 

[Pearly0nsams]

That isn't what happened lol.

 

[Steve1775]

Of course, Yoru would have to beat Ralsei first

Can't Yoru just do rock paper scissors and beat Ralsei in that so she turns him into a fursuit

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Can't Yoru just do rock paper scissors and beat Ralsei in that so she turns him into a fursuit

technically yes but she's not smart enough to that and why would ralsei play rock paper scissors mid combat under SBA

 

[Arkenis]

No one needed to play it for it to count. But that's a later key also. I do gotta ask, how are previous weapons utilize here? Can she just summon any one or only what the key you pick? What happens if she decides to activate the gun goddess or summon her right arm?

 

[Qurbonboev]

(Crazy how deltarune profiles have a yap session about skill but don't specify if they're gifted or not but frisk has a likely gifted)

Afaik we don't give skill rating as such anymore. Before this change, DR guys were gifted in combat.

To start off, Ralsei would try to SI first which would obviously fail on Yoru(but could work on Asa). Given that she produces collateral damage just by existing, he would prolly lock in like this.
Which brings me to the question: can he discern between them? Ralsei knowing about Player and Kris situation can be handwaved as just his knowledge of Prophecy. But seemingly most Darkners(with basic knowledge of prophecy at best) are aware that Kris and Player are different entities. Amd we have Spamton, who needed just to look at Kris, to realise that:
1) Kris is a lightner
2) Kris is under control of different entity. Moreso, based on his references to [Angel], it seems that he is clocked instantly that different entity is the Player.
I think it's reasonable to assume that Ralsei would know about Yoru/Asa distinction.
So question for CSM supporters: if Asa is convinced by fluffy boi words, how effectively she can paralyze Yoru battle efforts? If Ralsei says: "stay still for 0.1 seconds and I will destroy Yoru soul and free you", would she agree and would she be able to do so?

 

[EnderLord8]

Why Ralsei is aura farming? Doesn't he are a fluffyboi?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Afaik we don't give skill rating as such anymore. Before this change, DR guys were gifted in combat.

To start off, Ralsei would try to SI first which would obviously fail on Yoru(but could work on Asa). Given that she produces collateral damage just by existing, he would prolly lock in like this.
Which brings me to the question: can he discern between them? Ralsei knowing about Player and Kris situation can be handwaved as just his knowledge of Prophecy. But seemingly most Darkners(with basic knowledge of prophecy at best) are aware that Kris and Player are different entities. Amd we have Spamton, who needed just to look at Kris, to realise that:
1) Kris is a lightner
2) Kris is under control of different entity. Moreso, based on his references to [Angel], it seems that he is clocked instantly that different entity is the Player.
I think it's reasonable to assume that Ralsei would know about Yoru/Asa distinction.
So question for CSM supporters: if Asa is convinced by fluffy boi words, how effectively she can paralyze Yoru battle efforts? If Ralsei says: "stay still for 0.1 seconds and I will destroy Yoru soul and free you", would she agree and would she be able to do so?

if Ralsei's SI is as good as you say, i'm pretty sure that Asa give Ralsei an opening but i'm not the biggest CSM supporter

No one needed to play it for it to count. But that's a later key also. I do gotta ask, how are previous weapons utilize here? Can she just summon any one or only what the key you pick? What happens if she decides to activate the gun goddess or summon her right arm?

Only the weapons in key you picked can be used. I can't have Yoru, say, use Super Strong Uniform sword in this fight since it was a different key and she doesn't have that weapon anymore.
Oh, and those can be restricted since they give her a different tier which reminds that I gotta do that

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Why Ralsei is aura farming? Doesn't he are a fluffyboi?

He learned from Kris, trust

(I wanted a cool image of Ralsei so I got one of him aura farming)

 

[Qurbonboev]

if Ralsei's SI is as good as you say, i'm pretty sure that Asa give Ralsei an opening but i'm not the biggest CSM supporter

Ralsei SI is average, he just need to create friendly impressions and promise to Asa (he obviously can't know her actual name, just fact that there is another soul inside) to free her from Yoru. How in-character would it be? Ralsei has something hidden from us doing on between them and Kris, Spamton immediately offers them deal, that can give them freedom. So I would say it would be in character

 

[Arkenis]

Only the weapons in key you picked can be used. I can't have Yoru, say, use Super Strong Uniform sword in this fight since it was a different key and she doesn't have that weapon anymore.

Why can't she just use her uniform again? Was there something special about that moment I forget?

Oh, and those can be restricted since they give her a different tier which reminds that I gotta do that

Whats the point in the match if Yoru can't use her standard equipment lol

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Why can't she just use her uniform again? Was there something special about that moment I forget?

She can use her uniform to create a sword, it just won't be like her creating the Super Strong Uniform sword and it having sentiment value to asa (aka making it strong), making the SSUS special

Whats the point in the match if Yoru can't use her standard equipment lol

I hope you realize that the Gauntlets aren't standard equipment

 

[Arkenis]

Ya can never make a match where the horsemen aren't nerfed in some way.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Ya can never make a match where the horsemen aren't nerfed in some way.

Bro wants Yoru to be put up against City level Ralsei and get one shot (gotta be fair)

 

[Arkenis]

Or we could just wait til Yoru gets her upgrades in nuke key. This match just looks dumb otherwise with ral having dozens of stuff to throw at Yoru while she makes diff weapons that won't do much and can be dodged. Hell even in this match Yoru basically gets one shot by a 5x ap diff lmao

 

[Qurbonboev]

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How fast she gonna pull out Gauntlets against Ralsei? I mean he is not Pochita, but just a fluffy boi.

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How actually effective are her optional equipment? I don't see any good reason to restrict them.
Like, SSUS is obviously busted, but she needs to hit Ralsei with it, which is quite a challenge, even disregarding fact that she would need to be within range of melee ranged attacks of Ralsei

 

[Arkenis]

How fast she gonna pull out Gauntlets against Ralsei? I mean he is not Pochita, but just a fluffy boi.

How fast will she get mad is more like it. She's never been hesitant on sacrificing people or things so could be fast if ral pushes her to it.

 

[Qurbonboev]

How fast will she get mad is more like it. She's never been hesitant on sacrificing people or things so could be fast if ral pushes her to it.

How mad would she get from Ralsei just dodging her attacks?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

How fast she gonna pull out Gauntlets against Ralsei? I mean he is not Pochita, but just a fluffy boi.

Honestly, She didn't summon the gun and tank gauntlets until she was on the verge of death at Pochita hands and, honestly, only really did it because Pochita her biggest opp. She won't just summon them cuz she gets mad cuz the Fluffy boi nearly one shot her (Though she 100% will at the end of the day if she's not taken out swiftly)

How actually effective are her optional equipment? I don't see any good reason to restrict them.
Like, SSUS is obviously busted, but she needs to hit Ralsei with it, which is quite a challenge, even disregarding fact that she would need to be within range of melee ranged attacks of Ralsei

Her only effective Optional equipment (Besides gun gauntlet, which gives her access to Gun Goddess) gotta be SSUS, everything else is miniscule

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

How mad would she get from Ralsei just dodging her attacks?

mad but not mad enough to say, "yeah, this guy's annoying. gonna sacrofice my two kids now"
She got pissed at Pochita for running away here but, again, She hates bro's for greatly weakening her (eating her children too)

 

[Arkenis]

How mad would she get from Ralsei just dodging her attacks?

Pretty mad I guess. We know she doesn't like losing and her ultimate goal is fighting Pochita, she's not gonna risk the lost.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Pretty mad I guess. We know she doesn't like losing and her ultimate goal is fighting Pochita, she's not gonna risk the lost.

I don't think she would get that mad at Ralsei to the point of sacrificing her children. She wouldn't think she is in great danger (not aware of soulhax and boi seems to be just goofy two shoes, straight from Disney).
Essentially, it's matchup boils down to who gonna get serious first:
1) Ralsei seeing collateral damage from Yoru, locks in and knocks her out with soulhax/offers soul inside her deal that frees her in exchange for slowing down Yoru for a second(I am not up to for part 2, but I've heard that post-nukes Asa and Yoru relationships are pretty bleak). Both variants are practically immediate loss for her(not aware of melee ranged attacks either).
2) Asa gets mad at fluffy boi for dodging attacks to a such degree that she sacrifices her children to kill someone who is barely stronger than her, and someone who she wouldn't register as threat at all.

Voting Ralsei FRA

Give Yoru everything she could possibly have(this is Chapter 1 Ralsei she is up against)

 

[Bruh]

Her gauntlets has to be restricted or else Yoru blitz and one shot Ralsei but then the match cant be added since Ralsei is the naturally faster character. Without them tho, she just lack the range and means to consistenly tag someone that is familiar with dodging Danmaku like Ralsei, any attacks that lands wont one shot and get healed off while Ralsei can just hit her from afar by ignoring distance or with Magic, not to mention sleeping Yoru. Overall just not a very interesting match

 

[Bruh]

Ya can never make a match where the horsemen aren't nerfed in some way.

When Makima gets 5 billions negative condition at the start of the fight but dont worry she gets to use her swords

 

[Qurbonboev]

Her gauntlets has to be restricted or else Yoru blitz and one shot Ralsei

Yoru blitz and one shot Ralsei, if she sacrifices her children faster than Ralsei locks in for the fight, which is very dubious idea. So Ralsei likely wins even if gauntlets aren't restricted

 

[Arkenis]

Yoru will be ftl soon

 

[Bruh]

Yoru blitz and one shot Ralsei, if she sacrifices her children faster than Ralsei locks in for the fight, which is very dubious idea. So Ralsei likely wins even if gauntlets aren't restricted

She either starts with the gauntlets or cant use them at all, where is this argument of she has to decide to use the gauntlets even come from ?

 

[Bruh]

And if she has to summon her gauntlet then that means shes currenly missing one or both of her arms, making this match even more one sided

 

[Qurbonboev]

Yoru will be ftl soon

Does it change matchup results? Ralsei is already ftl

She either starts with the gauntlets or cant use them at all, where is this argument of she has to decide to use the gauntlets even come from ?

She can use Gauntlets if they are not restricted, but its unlikely that she would use them from the start, since it requires sacrificing her children first

 

[Arkenis]

Does it change matchup results? Ralsei is already ftl

I'd have to reread the fight if there's more, but the whip she makes scales above Pochita who's the reason for ftl. So that'll blitz Ral maybe?

 

[Qurbonboev]

I'd have to reread the fight if there's more, but the whip she makes scales above Pochita who's the reason for ftl. So that'll blitz Ral maybe?

Even if it did blitz Pochita, Ralsei is x2 faster than Pochita. At best whip would be somewhat faster than Ralsei, who is accustomed to dodging bullets much faster than him

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

so, fellas, should I unrestricted the gauntlets and give Ralsei his city scaling as well or do the delta rune support think ralsei could have it with just MCB level scaling due to being able to nearly one tapp the glass cannon that is Yoru?