Cuphead (Indie Cross) vs Master Roshi (World Martial Arts (8-C) Tournament: Round 10)

[koopa3144]

Welcome to Round 10 of the World Martial Arts (8-C) Tournament!
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Spoiler: Rules copied from OG Tourney thread

Vs thread Scenario:​

• All the official rules are in play.
  • If a character breaks the rules in battle, they will be "disqualified" in-universe, and their opponent will proceed.
  • Every double K.O/draw will use the sudden-death rule, regardless of whether it's the final round.
• Speed is equalized for all matches.
• Everything above 8-C is restricted.
• Competitors are informed that the winner will receive 10,000,000 Zeni (convertible to the currency of their choice), while 2nd and 3rd place will receive 5,000,000 and 2,000,000, respectively.
• Competitors will fight in character with the knowledge given (I.E a competitor that doesn't care about winning and the money, not fighting as hard as they would in a life or death scenario, or a competitor that would kill the opponent despite knowing the rules)
• Competitors will be asked to remove weaponry and protective equipment before the fight.
  • Characters can choose to ignore the request, but if they're seen with their equipment during the fight, they will be "disqualified."
• Fights take place in the Buu saga WMAT stage.

Tournament Thread Rules:​

• If a character gets no arguments for around 3-4 days, the opposing competitor will automatically go to the next round.
• If a thread gets no votes or the votes are tied for 3-4 days, I will decide who I think advances based on the arguments given.
  • If a character I submitted is involved, however, I will coin-flip instead to prevent any bias on my part.
• All competitors are given the option to view the previous matches as they happened in-universe.

Cuphead (Indie Cross) [0.58 Tons]: 0

Master Roshi (21st Budōkai) [1.4571 Tons]: 0

Incon: 0

 

[ARandomDude127]

Koopa I beg for mercy.
O-Okay, so Cuphead maybe has the range advantage he-

“Range: Standard Melee Range; Hundreds of Meters with ki blasts and attacks”

**** uhh, ok maybe teleportation spam can wor-

Roshi is def smart enough to work around JC's Parry by doing things like using Afterimage to land attacks while their guard is down or make it hard to predict when and where he's gonna attack from. He could also just use a Kamehameha to blow JC out of the arena if he realizes CQC isn't going to work.

Welp.

 

[koopa3144]

O-Okay, so Cuphead maybe has the range advantage he-

“Range: Standard Melee Range; Hundreds of Meters with ki blasts and attacks”

Tbf Roshi only really uses Kamehameha's for ranged stuff which Cuphead could prob avoid.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Tbf Roshi only really uses Kamehameha's for ranged stuff which Cuphead could prob avoid.

That IS until Roshi decides to start using AOE Kamehameha’s that take up 95% of the arena, which Cuphead’s only responses to that are

A: Somehow get to the 5% that isn’t blown up via Smoke Bomb

B: Use Invincibility to brute force his way through it.

The latter of which he can’t spam for long, considering he could pop all three of his Super Arts back to back in his fight with Shovel Knight, so he’s got three at max, TWO if he wants to use the Giant Ghost Super Art.

The latter of which should probably be able to throw Roshi out of the ring if he got lucky, the LS shouldn’t be a problem because Cuphead was able to do the same exact thing to Shovel Knight, who has Class M LS. I don’t know why they didn’t give Cuphead’s spirit Class M but it’s wtv, he SHOULD logically have it.

 

[koopa3144]

That IS until Roshi decides to start using AOE Kamehameha’s that take up 95% of the arena, which Cuphead’s only responses to that are

Tbf I only see Roshi doing that if he's really desperate.

The latter of which should probably be able to throw Roshi out of the ring if he got lucky, the LS shouldn’t be a problem because Cuphead was able to do the same exact thing to Shovel Knight, who has Class M LS. I don’t know why they didn’t give Cuphead’s spirit Class M but it’s wtv, he SHOULD logically have it.

Giant Ghost Cuphead does come out pretty fast so that might actually get Roshi. Although he can get himself back in the ring with Kamehameha or by sticking into the ledge.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Tbf I only see Roshi doing that if he's really desperate.

Giant Ghost Cuphead does come out pretty fast so that might actually get Roshi. Although he can get himself back in the ring with Kamehameha or by sticking into the ledge.

If he does the latter, could his MegaBlast or Jumbo Rebound mitigate it to an extent? In the same scene he used GG in Shovel, he fired out projectiles which including the MegaBlast to further the distance he was sent, and the Jumbo Rebound launched The Knight backwards, once it was hit by it.

(apologies for the lack of scans, I’m just sick asf rn and today’s been a rough day.)

 

[koopa3144]

If he does the latter, could his MegaBlast or Jumbo Rebound mitigate it to an extent? In the same scene he used GG in Shovel, he fired out projectiles which including the MegaBlast to further the distance he was sent, and the Jumbo Rebound launched The Knight backwards, once it was hit by it.

(apologies for the lack of scans, I’m just sick asf rn and today’s been a rough day.)

Roshi might be able to reflect the shots while he's trying to land (I would link the manga panel but the computer I'm on blocks it) or avoid it with his aerobatics.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Roshi might be able to reflect the shots while he's trying to land (I would link the manga panel but the computer I'm on blocks it) or avoid it with his aerobatics.

Neither of those are really new to Cuphead, he put up a really good fight against someone with Attack Reflection (who kept reflecting said attacks back at Cuphead), and Cuphead was able to somewhat adapt to it and get some really good hits off despite it,

Acrobatics also wouldn’t be new to Cuphead either, not only is he quite acrobatic himself, he’s been able to consistently tag those whom are more acrobatic than himself (albeit he DID lose both fights because MORØ said “Ihy Cuphead”)

So while it may work the first couple times, Cuphead could eventually find some way past it.

(Only in Vs Battle Wiki can Cuphead have a fair shot against Master Roshi )

 

[ARandomDude127]

Wait I just realized, Statesman has a wincon of straight incapacitating people via frying them with electricity, which is something Cuphead is able to replicate to an extent, and with the lack of resistance I’m seeing on Roshi’s profile, could this be a solid win con?

 

[koopa3144]

Neither of those are really new to Cuphead, he put up a really good fight against someone with Attack Reflection (who kept reflecting said attacks back at Cuphead), and Cuphead was able to somewhat adapt to it and get some really good hits off despite it,

Roshi's likely only gonna need to reflect Cupheads bigger shots like one or twice in the fight and Cuphead prob wouldn't expect him to reflect an attack while recovering.

Acrobatics also wouldn’t be new to Cuphead either, not only is he quite acrobatic himself, he’s been able to consistently tag those whom are more acrobatic than himself (albeit he DID lose both fights because MORØ said “Ihy Cuphead”)

I'd say Roshi has better acrobatics then the IC characters has fought considering he and his students can jump much higher and have better air control. It shouldnt be crazy hard for him to outmaneuver Cups shots in the air while he makes it back to the stage.

So while it may work the first couple times, Cuphead could eventually find some way past it.

Gonna note that it would be hard for Cuphead to get Roshi off stage to begin with since he's 2.5x stronger and Cuphead would have to avoid getting sneak K.O'ed after Roshi uses afterimage, getting pressured of stage by Roshi, or getting put to sleep if Roshi desides to bring out the hypnosis.

Wait I just realized, Statesman has a wincon of straight incapacitating people via frying them with electricity, which is something Cuphead is able to replicate to an extent, and with the lack of resistance I’m seeing on Roshi’s profile, could this be a solid win con?

Afaik IC Cuphead's electricity is featless so it can't just one tap someone even if they dont got resistance. Roshi could also just avoid it or use Lightning Surprise Attack to do the same thing.

 

[koopa3144]

Bump!

 

[ARandomDude127]

Got my hopes up just to crush them

Roshi's likely only gonna need to reflect Cupheads bigger shots like one or twice in the fight and Cuphead prob wouldn't expect him to reflect an attack while recovering.

While you have a point I suppose, Cuphead isn’t going to be so close to Roshi to the point where he wouldn’t be able to react, especially after seeing Roshi in the previous round and realizing that getting anywhere NEAR Roshi means game over.

I'd say Roshi has better acrobatics then the IC characters has fought considering he and his students can jump much higher and have better air control. It shouldnt be crazy hard for him to outmaneuver Cups shots in the air while he makes it back to the stage.

I suppose that IS fair, but I wouldn’t say Roshi completely blows the IC characters out of the water here, they’re still REALLY acrobatic it and almost always use it within combat. Also Chaser negates any of Roshi’s attempts at dodging.

Gonna note that it would be hard for Cuphead to get Roshi off stage to begin with since he's 2.5x stronger and Cuphead would have to avoid getting sneak K.O'ed after Roshi uses afterimage, getting pressured of stage by Roshi, or getting put to sleep if Roshi desides to bring out the hypnosis.

uhhhh, something something bullcrap excuse that negates this point or something
Yeah I’m gonna have to try and lock in for this because I didn’t expect him to have those other abilities.

Though dealing with and tossing around slightly stronger opponents shouldn’t totally blindside Cuphead, and he was still able to throw Shovel around despite him having a higher LS than even Roshi. (Seriously I’m surprised that doesn’t give Cuphead’s spirit Class M LS. Should I make a CRT on it?)

And I guess Chaser would also let Cuphead see where Roshi actually IS through the afterimages, oh and Chaos Orbit would punish Roshi for getting close.

Afaik IC Cuphead's electricity is featless so it can't just one tap someone even if they dont got resistance. Roshi could also just avoid it or use Lightning Surprise Attack to do the same thing.

It’s not TOTALLY featless, the times Electro-Bolt has landed there were always side-effects, good or bad. The only time this didn’t apply was with Nightmare Game Master and that could honestly just be a resistance on his part (that would probably also need to be added), considering every other instance of it being shown it HAS done something. Albeit it would probably take a good two or three times to actually incapacitate Roshi, good thing he can spam it.

Also I’m reading on the LSA, and there’s unironically a chance that this could kill Cuphead, and thus give him the win, because it CAN kill if the opponent doesn’t choose to surrender, which is something Cuphead would probably do in character, he initially refused to surrender against Shovel Knight even after receiving BTA. Though this could be me stretching it due to my lack of knowledge on Dragon Ball.

 

[Da3ggman]

Roshi skill diffs tbh

 

[koopa3144]

While you have a point I suppose, Cuphead isn’t going to be so close to Roshi to the point where he wouldn’t be able to react, especially after seeing Roshi in the previous round and realizing that getting anywhere NEAR Roshi means game over.

If Cuphead tries to create distance, Roshi can surround him with afterimages or just quickly dash towards him to stop him from getting too far. Roshi doesn't even need to get insanely close to Cuphead since he can blow Cuphead out of the ring from a distance.

Also Chaser negates any of Roshi’s attempts at dodging.

Chaser isn't really gonna help since iirc IC Cuphead's bullets don't really have push on them like canon Cupheads. So if Cuphead tries to stop Roshi from getting back on the stage with Chaser, he can just eat the hits and land back on the stage.

Though dealing with and tossing around slightly stronger opponents shouldn’t totally blindside Cuphead, and he was still able to throw Shovel around despite him having a higher LS than even Roshi. (Seriously I’m surprised that doesn’t give Cuphead’s spirit Class M LS. Should I make a CRT on it?)

Cuphead getting close to Roshi to try and throw him is gonna lead to him getting cooked in CQC.

And I guess Chaser would also let Cuphead see where Roshi actually IS through the afterimages, oh and Chaos Orbit would punish Roshi for getting close.

Unless Cuphead is constantly using Chaser, he prob wont be able to tell Roshi is using an afterimage before he gets hit since Roshi only needs a moment to catch Cuphead off guard.

It’s not TOTALLY featless, the times Electro-Bolt has landed there were always side-effects, good or bad. The only time this didn’t apply was with Nightmare Game Master and that could honestly just be a resistance on his part (that would probably also need to be added), considering every other instance of it being shown it HAS done something. Albeit it would probably take a good two or three times to actually incapacitate Roshi, good thing he can spam it.

This might just be me being blind, but I don't really see anything crazy in terms of electrical output. Its best feat is disabling Charlotte's Drone, but idk if thats enough to say it can dura neg someone to a significant degree. Even if it was capable of dealing serious damage to Roshi, he's more than capable of just avoiding the beam or reflecting it.

It also doesn't help the Roshi just has a better version of the Electro-Bolt with the Lightning Surprise Attack, which can make Cuphead's body num paralyse him on top of cause insane amounts of pain that even someone with crazy pain tolerance like Goku was on the verge of surrendering to make it stop. Considering Cuphead is shown to be willing to surrender if he's in enough pain, it's he's likely gonna tap out a few moments after the attack connects.

Also I’m reading on the LSA, and there’s unironically a chance that this could kill Cuphead, and thus give him the win, because it CAN kill if the opponent doesn’t choose to surrender, which is something Cuphead would probably do in character, he initially refused to surrender against Shovel Knight even after receiving BTA. Though this could be me stretching it due to my lack of knowledge on Dragon Ball.

Roshi can likely control its output so it doesn't kill Cuphead or just stop using LSA if he thought it was really gonna kill Cuphead. But even if Roshi couldn't prevent it from killing Cuphead if he doesn't surrender, I don't see why he wouldn't give up here. Roshi is gonna tell him he's gonna die if he doesn't surrender, and while Cuphead is stubborn, he's not gonna throw his life away for a tournament.

 

[koopa3144]

Bump!

 

[ARandomDude127]

Bump!

Yeah phooey, you got this pal

I gotta concede for this one, IC is meta in FC/OC wiki but regular VS Wiki is an entirely different game…

 

[koopa3144]

Yeah phooey, you got this pal

I gotta concede for this one, IC is meta in FC/OC wiki but regular VS Wiki is an entirely different game…

Well, then Roshi will move on in the tournament! I had a fun time debating this!