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Some Mid Tiers and Mondstadt Traveler upgrade. Fatui Agents are strong. (Genshin Impact CRT)

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First of all I want to explain the difference between Fatui Agents and Fatui Skirmishers.

Fatui Agents are elite enemies. That feat of knocking out the Mondstadt Traveler belongs specifically to Fatui Agents.
Fatiu Skirmishers are common enemies stated to have lesser individual might.


Fatui Agent scaling:

Fatui Agent fights against Liyue Traveler to the point Gentry Maocai assumes he almost won the battle, and Fatui Agent is not defeated after the fight. Moreover, he doesn't show any signs of injuries. This shows Fatui agents are dangerous oppenents to Liyue Traveler even 1 on 1.
Attack Potency: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat, which required 15.14 Kilotons of TNT, Fatui Agents should be scaled to 7-C.
Speed: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat and has accepted Supersonic speed, and Fatui Agents are a close-combat enemies that specialized on speed, they should be scaled to Supersonic speed.

Characters affected by this change:

Keqing, Mondstadt Traveler, Xingqiu, Sangonomiya Kokomi, Diluc (Young), Dehya, Tighnari, [Keqing speedblitzes and oneshots Fatui agent, Mondstadt Traveler throws out two agents and makes them strain, Xingqiu is fighting alonside the Traveler, Sangonomiya Kokomi is fighting alongside Inazuma Traveler, Young Diluc is stated to destroy multiple Fatui stronholds, Dehya and Tighnari fighting alongside the Traveler (it's unclear if Dehya and Tignahri defeated Fatui agent by themselves, though previous thread accepted that level for the fact they participated in the fight so I guess it works here too)]


Fatui Skirmisher scaling:

Liyue arc Traveler is struggling to fought off multiple Fatui Skirmishers and only was capable to do so after recieving adeptal energy from Madam Ping, Ganyu and Xiao.
Attack Potency: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat, which required 15.14 Kilotons of TNT, Fatui Skirmishers should be scaled to 7-C.
Speed: Because there were plenty of Fatui Skirmishers, and they don't specialize in speed in contrast to Fatui Pyro Agents I don't think they should upscale from Subsonic to Supersonic. That would leave them in Subsonic tier.

Characters affected by this change:


Mona, Hu Tao [Mona defeats Fatui Skirmishers, Hu Tao defeats Fatui Skirmishers]

(it was decided to remove Fatui Skirmisher Scaling)

Edit 17.10.2025: Here I replied to made up "translation" written by Puppet43 who didn't provide any evidence for his words, moreover here Fatui Agent stays in front of the Traveler and Xingqiu saying about their strength.

Agree: PedjaTarzan, Sahlwrld, Furina003

Neutral:

Disagree:
Puppet43
 
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First of all I want to explain the difference between Fatui Agents and Fatui Skirmishers.

Fatui Agents are elite enemies. That feat of knocking out the Mondstadt Traveler belongs specifically to Fatui Agents.
Fatiu Skirmishers are common enemies stated to have lesser individual might.


Fatui Agent scaling:

Fatui Agent fights against Liyue Traveler to the point Gentry Maocai assumes he almost won the battle, and Fatui Agent is not defeated after the fight. This shows Fatui agents are dangerous oppenents to Liyue Traveler even 1 on 1.
Attack Potency: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat, which required 15.14 Kilotons of TNT, Fatui Agents should be scaled to 7-C.
Speed: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat and has accepted Supersonic speed, and Fatui Agents are a close-combat enemies that specialized on speed, they should be scaled to Supersonic speed.

Characters affected by this change:

Keqing, Mondstadt Traveler, Xingqiu, Sangonomiya Kokomi, Diluc (Young), Dehya, Tighnari, [Keqing speedblitzes and oneshots Fatui agent, Mondstadt Traveler throws out two agents and makes them strain, Xingqiu is fighting alonside the Traveler, Sangonomiya Kokomi is fighting alongside Inazuma Traveler, Young Diluc is stated to destroy multiple Fatui stronholds, Dehya and Tighnari fighting alongside the Traveler (it's unclear if Dehya and Tignahri defeated Fatui agent by themselves, though previous thread accepted that level for the fact they participated in the fight so I guess it works here too)]


Fatui Skirmisher scaling:

Liyue arc Traveler is struggling to fought off multiple Fatui Skirmishers and only was capable to do so after recieving adeptal energy from Madam Ping, Ganyu and Xiao.
Attack Potency: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat, which required 15.14 Kilotons of TNT, Fatui Skirmishers should be scaled to 7-C.
Speed: Because there were plenty of Fatui Skirmishers, and they don't specialize in speed in contrast to Fatui Pyro Agents I don't think they should upscale from Subsonic to Supersonic. That would leave them in Subsonic tier.

Characters affected by this change:

Mona, Hu Tao [Mona defeats Fatui Skirmishers, Hu Tao defeats Fatui Skirmishers]



Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:
Im okay with this for now
 
Heavy Disagree
  • Just because a Fatui didn't die in the fight against the Traveler doesn't mean it should scale to him (about the Pyro Agent scan) could be either Traveler don't wanting to kill him or was Xingqiu all along who fought (In fact the previous scene to said fight they were searching for Xingqiu)
  • The Fatui Skirmish argument is even worst, Paimon says "We can't hold them" because of the sheer number, not because the Fatuis are Geo Traveler lvl, in fact we see Keqing being capable of oneshotting a Fatui Agent, which ofc are superior to Skirmishs (and yet Agents needed 2 of his type to hold 1Element Traveler)
  • Inconsistency with 2E Traveler scaling to Childe, unless you really wanna say a Common Fatui Soldier is equal to one of the 11 strongests dudes in that same group
 
Yeah, I also disagree with the Fatui Skirmish argument due the fact the Traveler being overwhelmed by by them numbers, not strength. The buff he gained was to make it easier to clear through them quicker.
 
Heavy Disagree
  • Just because a Fatui didn't die in the fight against the Traveler doesn't mean it should scale to him (about the Pyro Agent scan) could be either Traveler don't wanting to kill him or was Xingqiu all along who fought (In fact the previous scene to said fight they were searching for Xingqiu)
  • The Fatui Skirmish argument is even worst, Paimon says "We can't hold them" because of the sheer number, not because the Fatuis are Geo Traveler lvl, in fact we see Keqing being capable of oneshotting a Fatui Agent, which ofc are superior to Skirmishs (and yet Agents needed 2 of his type to hold 1Element Traveler)
  • Inconsistency with 2E Traveler scaling to Childe, unless you really wanna say a Common Fatui Soldier is equal to one of the 11 strongests dudes in that same group


  • Gentry Maocai assumes he almost won the battle, and Fatui Agent is not defeated after the fight. Fatui agent didn't lost or show some signs of injuries. Even his health bar doesn't reach the end. Gentry Maocai says their strength (meaning both Traveler and Xingqiu) is almost spent and urges to finish them off. Previous accepted thread gives upscales to characters like Dehya Tighnari or Kokomi just for participating in the fights while here we have solid proof of Fatui agent putting up a fight.
  • I mentioned there were multiple Fatui Skirmishers. But there weren't hundreds of them, they came out of two portals one by one. And that number was enough to put a pressure on the Traveler. Don't see anything wrong with Keqing feat. The fact that two Agents hold the Traveler doesn't say they one Agent would fail, in fact one of them knocked out the Traveler for a long time.
  • I'm not stating they're equal. They're the same AP tier, not the same exact level. Tartaglia has solid speed and skills advantage but Agents and groups of Skirmishers are still a threat
 
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Yeah, I also disagree with the Fatui Skirmish argument due the fact the Traveler being overwhelmed by by them numbers, not strength. The buff he gained was to make it easier to clear through them quicker.
Without that argument, the rest are ok? I can remove the part with Skirmishers
 
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Could u proof the Traveler was even involved in said fight? or that Traveler had any intention of killing (going all out) bro, because last time i check he doesnt kill for funyk
Fatui agent didn't lost or show some signs of injuries
He doesn't show them because the game rarely shows wounds and more in the early years
Gentry Maocai says their strength (meaning both Traveler and Xingqiu) is almost spent and urges to finish them off.
有两下子,不是泛泛之辈…这样打下去,损失就难以接受了。


他们快坚持不住了,继续上啊!把石珀都抢过来!
Chinese says this, translated it goes like:
  • He's got some skills—not just any ordinary guy... If we keep fighting like this, the losses will be unbearable.
  • They're about to break! Keep pushing! Grab all the amber!
So the Fatui is talking about 1 person (the one who expierence the fight) and the other is saying both, i think thats clearly because bro doesnt know Traveler real strength and thinks of him as a weakling
Previous accepted thread gives upscales to characters like Dehya Tighnari or Kokomi just for participating in the fights while here
In those scans all characters mentioned had the mindset to defeat/going all out against those enemies, by this logic we could scale Hilichurls to Pyro Traveler because he fights them...
mentioned there were multiple Fatui Skirmishers. But there weren't hundreds of them, they came out of two portals one by one. And that number was enough to put a pressure on the Traveler.
The preassure was in the fact of them breaking the Guizhong Ballistas not in them being able to overwhelm Traveler (or anyone except the common Milileth)
Don't see anything wrong with Keqing feat. The fact that two Agents hold the Traveler doesn't say they one Agent would fail, in fact one of them knocked out the Traveler for a long time.
Me when i lowkey ignore the fact that Traveler has already fought Agent Pyro in Mondstandts Arc and him just getting knock down means both have the Ap to deal with the other (equals)
I'm not stating they're equal. They're the same AP tier, not the same exact level. Tartaglia has solid speed and skills advantage but Agents and groups of Skirmishers are still a threat
You saying a random fatui is same AP as Tartaglia, the 11th strongest Fatui (In Liyue Arc at least) ever would be the same as saying Tartaglia and Fatui Agent Pyro are equals
 
Could u proof the Traveler was even involved in said fight? or that Traveler had any intention of killing (going all out) bro, because last time i check he doesnt kill for funyk

He doesn't show them because the game rarely shows wounds and more in the early years


Chinese says this, translated it goes like:
  • He's got some skills—not just any ordinary guy... If we keep fighting like this, the losses will be unbearable.
  • They're about to break! Keep pushing! Grab all the amber!
So the Fatui is talking about 1 person (the one who expierence the fight) and the other is saying both, i think thats clearly because bro doesnt know Traveler real strength and thinks of him as a weakling

In those scans all characters mentioned had the mindset to defeat/going all out against those enemies, by this logic we could scale Hilichurls to Pyro Traveler because he fights them...

The preassure was in the fact of them breaking the Guizhong Ballistas not in them being able to overwhelm Traveler (or anyone except the common Milileth)

Me when i lowkey ignore the fact that Traveler has already fought Agent Pyro in Mondstandts Arc and him just getting knock down means both have the Ap to deal with the other (equals)

You saying a random fatui is same AP as Tartaglia, the 11th strongest Fatui (In Liyue Arc at least) ever would be the same as saying Tartaglia and Fatui Agent Pyro are equals
"Could u proof the Traveler was even involved in said fight? or that Traveler had any intention of killing (going all out) bro, because last time i check he doesnt kill for funyk"
Sure.
The first line ("有两下子,不是泛泛之辈…这样打下去,损失就难以接受了。") contains no explicit pronoun at all, singular or plural. Chinese dialogue like this often relies on context to imply the subject (here, "they" for the opponents), without needing words like "他" (he), "她" (she), or "他们" (they). English translations add one for natural flow, but it's not in the original text.
The "they" (他们) in second line is plural in Chinese, referring to your side—the opponents from the attackers' perspective. This group includes you (the Traveler, whose gender is player-chosen: male or female) and Xingqiu (male).
The actual translation is "They've got some real moves—not your average pushovers... If we keep fighting like this, the losses will be too hard to swallow. They're almost done for—keep charging! Snatch all the amber!"

Please don't twist and distort the translation of the text. Fatui Agent says in plural about the opponents.

Fatui Agent is not tired or damaged at all after a fight that lasted for some time. Even his health bar drops only to half. Now try to find a hilichurl who has a a fight that lasted for some time
You saying a random fatui is same AP as Tartaglia, the 11th strongest Fatui (In Liyue Arc at least) ever would be the same as saying Tartaglia and Fatui Agent Pyro are equals
Again please don't distort my statements. I never stated random Fatui has the same AP as Childe. Fatui Agents are elite of the Fatui and through the scaling should have the same AP tier (7-C) and not 8-C. That doesn't mean they're equal. It doesn't contradict anything, and doesn't say there are no difference. Characters can oneshot other characters in the same tier which is not the case with Fatui Agent.

In those scans all characters mentioned had the mindset to defeat/going all out against those enemies, by this logic we could scale Hilichurls to Pyro Traveler because he fights them...
This statement contradicts to itself: almost every enemy that attacks the Traveler also has the "mindset" of fighting and defeating them. Sumeru Traveler fought alongside Dehya and Tighnari. Why it's not the Traveler who did most of the job if not all? There are no Hilichurls who could last a prolonged fight and we have cutscenes of Traveler oneshotting groups of them. Meanwhile there are zero cutscenes or any evidence for the Fatui Agents being defeated quickly or oneshotted. In other words we have feats, we don't have antifeats.
 
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Yeah, I also disagree with the Fatui Skirmish argument due the fact the Traveler being overwhelmed by by them numbers, not strength. The buff he gained was to make it easier to clear through them quicker.
👆This
The rest fine i guess.

(Yes Fatui Agents are strong, the proof is that one of them in natlan near the artifact domain on the spring area.. I got cooked)
 
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First of all I want to explain the difference between Fatui Agents and Fatui Skirmishers.

Fatui Agents are elite enemies. That feat of knocking out the Mondstadt Traveler belongs specifically to Fatui Agents.
Fatiu Skirmishers are common enemies stated to have lesser individual might.


Fatui Agent scaling:

Fatui Agent fights against Liyue Traveler to the point Gentry Maocai assumes he almost won the battle, and Fatui Agent is not defeated after the fight. Moreover, he doesn't show any signs of injuries. This shows Fatui agents are dangerous oppenents to Liyue Traveler even 1 on 1.
Attack Potency: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat, which required 15.14 Kilotons of TNT, Fatui Agents should be scaled to 7-C.
Speed: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat and has accepted Supersonic speed, and Fatui Agents are a close-combat enemies that specialized on speed, they should be scaled to Supersonic speed.

Characters affected by this change:

Keqing, Mondstadt Traveler, Xingqiu, Sangonomiya Kokomi, Diluc (Young), Dehya, Tighnari, [Keqing speedblitzes and oneshots Fatui agent, Mondstadt Traveler throws out two agents and makes them strain, Xingqiu is fighting alonside the Traveler, Sangonomiya Kokomi is fighting alongside Inazuma Traveler, Young Diluc is stated to destroy multiple Fatui stronholds, Dehya and Tighnari fighting alongside the Traveler (it's unclear if Dehya and Tignahri defeated Fatui agent by themselves, though previous thread accepted that level for the fact they participated in the fight so I guess it works here too)]
I agree with this, as it also fits the power scaling standard (here), even if the Fatui were defeated by the traveler it would still be enough to make the traveler try to defeat them. So I think this is enough to justify the scaling.
Fatui Skirmisher scaling:

Liyue arc Traveler is struggling to fought off multiple Fatui Skirmishers and only was capable to do so after recieving adeptal energy from Madam Ping, Ganyu and Xiao.
Attack Potency: Since Liyue Traveler is scaled to this feat, which required 15.14 Kilotons of TNT, Fatui Skirmishers should be scaled to 7-C.
Speed: Because there were plenty of Fatui Skirmishers, and they don't specialize in speed in contrast to Fatui Pyro Agents I don't think they should upscale from Subsonic to Supersonic. That would leave them in Subsonic tier.

Characters affected by this change:

Mona, Hu Tao [Mona defeats Fatui Skirmishers, Hu Tao defeats Fatui Skirmishers]
I disagree with this, I think it's just a matter of durability, not attack potency. It is also not enough to prove whether the Fatui can harm the Adeptus or not.
 
The "they" (他们) in second line is plural in Chinese, referring to your side—the opponents from the attackers' perspective. This group includes you (the Traveler, whose gender is player-chosen: male or female) and Xingqiu (male).
The actual translation is "They've got some real moves—not your average pushovers... If we keep fighting like this, the losses will be too hard to swallow.
Please don't twist and distort the translation of the text.
Ur the one distorting the Translations 😭 i litterally send u the in game translation straight without any modification yet somehow im the one wrong?
Fatui Agent says in plural about the opponents.
Then proof such
Fatui Agent is not tired or damaged at all after a fight that lasted for some time. Even his health bar drops only to half.
Oh great, you prooven that neither Traveler or Xingqiu were cold blooded murderers showing that when the opponent gaves up they just leave them run away
Now try to find a hilichurl who has a a fight that lasted for some time
, HEY GUYS A HILICHURL DIDNT GOT DESINTEGRATED BY TRAVELERS ATTACK, THAT MEANS HILICHURL = HYDRO TRAVELER
I never stated random Fatui has the same AP as Childe
Childe is 15 Kilotons and he scales to Liyue Traveler, and you wanna make Fatui Agents 15 Kilotons and scale to Liyue Traveler
Its pretty obvious that 2+2 = 4
Fatui Agents are elite of the Fatui
Yeah, they are elite for the average fatui soldier, not compared to the 11 strongests persons in the same group
That doesn't mean they're equal. It doesn't contradict anything, and doesn't say there are no difference. Characters can oneshot other characters in the same tier which is not the case with Fatui Agent.
Characters can oneshot other character in the same tier if they have different AP
- Character A has 75 Kilotons of AP, Character B has 10 Kilotons of AP (and Dura), even when both are Town lvl Character A can oneshot Character B by the inmense gap of power
In your scaling both Character A and B are scaling to the same number and same inverse, so no difference at all, your straight up saying Childe has the potential to lose against 1 Fatui Agent
Sumeru Traveler fought alongside Dehya and Tighnari.
There is still instances of Traveler going off to yap with Scara and both Tighnari and Dehya were still fighting
 
hmm…seeing puppets arguments ill have to disagree
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Also, i suggest that you shouldn't bold the members names, just do that to the staffs only. So like yk.. We can know which one is staff.
 
I don't think since he quoted and replied to Childe and Traveler upgrade proposal. Anyways let PedjaTarzan say what he means by himself
Whats there to upgrade abt childe and traveler though? im pretty sure this crt is more focused abt fatui skirmishers and agents, and yea as puppet explained the xingqiu story quest had agent fight xingqiu mostly so i dont rly see the scaling chain between them either, but i will say that their tiering is also questionable since keqing literally one shots them in archon quest
 
Whats there to upgrade abt childe and traveler though? im pretty sure this crt is more focused abt fatui skirmishers and agents, and yea as puppet explained the xingqiu story quest had agent fight xingqiu mostly so i dont rly see the scaling chain between them either, but i will say that their tiering is also questionable since keqing literally one shots them in archon quest
I'd be grateful if you read my reply and reconsider again.
Puppet43 said it was Xingqiu (because as he said, Fatui agent refers in singular pronoun without providing translation). Here I added screens of translation and explanation from different AI models and Translator why it's plural and he referred to both the Traveler and Xingqiu. You can ask it by yourself or ask someone who knows Chinese.
What's wrong with Keqing? That's rather Keqing feat. Does she have any antifeats? Currently many characters of the same tier as her are town level. And if she's 8-C it means someone like Ayaka or Ayato should oneshot countless Keqings.

From previous accepted thread there were accepted scalings for Ayato (who was beaten by young Ayaka) and Tighnari and Dehya who just participated in a fight with Sumeru Traveler who by the same logic should've done everything there.

And here we have proof of Agent clearly put up a fight against Liyue Traveler and didn't lose.

If you have other claims I'm ready to consider them.
 
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Whats there to upgrade abt childe and traveler though? im pretty sure this crt is more focused abt fatui skirmishers and agents, and yea as puppet explained the xingqiu story quest had agent fight xingqiu mostly so i dont rly see the scaling chain between them either, but i will say that their tiering is also questionable since keqing literally one shots them in archon quest
As for Keqing argument, she specializes on speed and with sharp weapons she need only one clean hit to defeat someone her level or even slightly above. Keqing has already accepted MHS+ speed with Starward Sword which is totally above Liyue Traveler, so it's quite likely that she's a bit faster without Starward Sword than Liyue Traveler and it stacks with the visuals.
 
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Here I added screens of translation and explanation from different AI models and Translator
Bro using IA to translate text...
Ayato (who was beaten by young Ayaka)
Yeah, high diffed and a vision (Ayato wasnt using his), the thing accepted is the pressumption that neither Ayaka or Ayato has left the other one behind in terms of strength bassicly unless proven otherwise Ayaka should still be slighty above Ayato because when they were weaker she won a sparring match (not even a real deal)
Tighnari and Dehya who just participated in a fight with Sumeru Traveler
I shown u already a example where they were alone, but yeah ignore that if that makes u feel good
And here we have proof of Agent clearly put up a fight against Liyue Traveler and didn't lose.
Ur showing a Fatui Agent backing up because Xingqiu was stronger than him and didn't want to risk all, the fight ends with the Fatui losing 30% of his hp not because he is stronger, but because he clearly retires from the fight (same deal even if Traveler was involved)
Keqing has already accepted MHS+ speed with Starward Sword which is totally above Liyue Traveler, so I it's not unreal that she's a bit faster than Liyue Traveler without Starward Sword
Starward Sword make clones of Keqing, which isnt the case in the oneshot scene
 
Whats there to upgrade abt childe and traveler though? im pretty sure this crt is more focused abt fatui skirmishers and agents, and yea as puppet explained the xingqiu story quest had agent fight xingqiu mostly so i dont rly see the scaling chain between them either, but i will say that their tiering is also questionable since keqing literally one shots them in archon quest
It seems Puppet43 is a bit biased towards my thread and want to disapprove it at any cost. Why do you need to make up "translation from Chinese"
Chinese says this, translated it goes like:
  • He's got some skills—not just any ordinary guy... If we keep fighting like this, the losses will be unbearable.
  • They're about to break! Keep pushing! Grab all the amber!
which, moreover, turned out to be false and is strictly prohibited. if you don't immediately react negatively to the thread, regardless of its truthfulness? Distort the translation, not providing any evidence for your words and blame me for distortion despite I provided translations unlike him - this is clearly a biased and toxic attitude.
Ur the one distorting the Translations 😭

I understand that it can be unpleasant when you created a thread and someone is creating another thread where levels for some characters differs from what you've already established.
But in that case I think it'd be fair to apply the same logic (which I don't agree with) to previous thread. Young Ayaka defeated young Ayato in the sparring match and she trained a lot and eventually mastered it to the pinnacle of swordsmanship, according to Dainsleif. And after that much time has passed, we don't know how their level changed, we only know Ayaka surpassed Ayato long time ago. Ayato is scaled to her level. That's only one example. And it's accepted by everyone, and I don't mind anything against that.

But in my thread it's clear fight and it complies with the rules as Furina003 stated.
I think we should apply the same logic to both threads.

If you have some other place where you discuss my thread, can I join you there? I think it'd be fair.
 
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It seems Puppet43 is a bit biased towards my thread and want to disapprove it at any cost. Why do you need to make up "translation from Chinese" which, moreover, turned out to be false if you don't immediately react negatively to the thread, regardless of its truthfulness?
So the game is false info and i make up the game ? lol
But in my thread it's clear fight and it complies with the rules as Furina003 stated.
I think we should apply the same logic to both threads.
The logic of ur CRT is litterally this
Ur showing a Fatui Agent backing up because Xingqiu was stronger than him and didn't want to risk all, the fight ends with the Fatui losing 30% of his hp not because he is stronger, but because he clearly retires from the fight (same deal even if Traveler was involved)
 
Has a Translation Helper looked at any of these translations?
 
Alright, so what needs to be done here, then?
Nothing, ig, and it's kinda old crt too. This is before we got the confirmation of the timeline of the story quest, because we assume they scale to Liyue Traveler based on the background story that was in Liyue. And now we got the confirmation that it wasn't in Liyue, so this Liyue Traveler scale stuff doesn't work anymore.

This CRT should be closed.
 
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