The cutscenes are not much better. Unless they 360° surround and start trying to bukakke him with fists, knifes, swords, etcetera, Statesman is just better. This is not counting ranged attacks, by the way. Just melee. And this is from guys Statesman folds like a omelet.
The cutscene happens after he’s already caved in most of the others’ skulls, and only a few poor souls are left. Really even if the numbers went up to just 50, that would be enough to completely surround him in a dense crowd and jump him simultaneously. And at that point, there’s not much difference between them having weapons or not (which they do- missiles, machine guns, shit that would likely cripple him for a few days if they landed)
You realize when an advantage is negated by feats it basically stops being an advantage, right? Maybe a small one, but at the same time, Statesman came, he saw, he folded a man like an omelet.
And those Statesmen he beat up can adapt mid fight? Kiryu can, as in he beat one guy who outpredicted and fodderized another who could adjust on the fly, and that guy did allat in his debut fight, which happened, what, 20 years prior?
Oh so they can fly like superman? And can also overpower him like an abusive father?
They can fly, and have way better quicksteps than those they were fighting, and throw umbrellas that explode in their faces, and mimic their characteristics in combat yadda yadda.
What does the last part even mean by the way, other than you trying to be
annoying and corny sacarstic. Statesman family abusing Kiryu? cmon now.
That's not an ability Statesman has but that's something from a powerset called Storm Summoning. Generally Statesman's lightning is...
Good luck avoiding that shit tier.
Are you implying that Statesman can control the lightning so it homes in on targets, or is he just firing several at once? It’s certainly not impossible to dodge the latter, he can comfortably react to attacks that are just about to hit him in a fog. And again, he has certain abilities that let him tough those out without ever being knocked out.
As in he busts shit out as he feels the need to. So if Jonathan was pressurized him at all, he'd be showing shit for Statesman to watch. And unlike Zeus, Statesman isn't actually overconfident.
ig that’s true. But considering all Kiryu needs is one counter hook and then to throw Jonathan out, kinda doubt Statesman would see them in action until their fight actually starts. Even then, Kiryu would also know about Statesman’s shenanigans, so it balances out.
Not that it really matters though, Statesman isn’t going down instantly from just one punch to the liver no? He’d probably resort to grabbing pretty quickly.
Statesman doesn't tend to give opponents breathing room and Kiryu can't even budge him so... unless he taunts at the beginning of the round he's just not going to get a lot of heat before Statesman punches him.
He’s going to, yeah, or at least he’ll start taunting after a punch or two or weave, given, ya know- what you’ve admitted, the whole he can bust shit out whenever he wants thing. And Kiryu can’t budge him (which I disagree with) doesn’t matter, he can still build heat by landing hits and dodging.
Jerry, Jerry. There is a difference between a guy who's maybe Class 10, and a man who is CLASS M. There is a difference of over 250x here lmfao, the only thing Beast stops is Statesman treating him like Scirocco and punching him out of the arena.
Hence why I said grabs would suck? Sending people flying with punches is strictly striking strength. You even implied that in the very next sentence. So what’s the argument here?
Covering both of these... Statesman also one-shots his value.
Like you dura neg him to hurt him he just one-shots you.
And a weakened Majima casually punched through that floor when, just hours earlier, been shot in the abdomen and had to swim with fishes in the ocean. One game’s difference is enough to absolutely murder their previous version, and we’re talking about Y7 Kiryu. A one-shot KO isn’t necessary to be ridiculously impressive anyway, especially when normal humans can also knock each other out with one good punch to the head.
Dragon Spirit trying to bounce him would be like a house cat trying to overpower you.
"It works by
making interactions bounce off him rather than trying to overwhelm them back, sort of like a force field, if you want to think of it that way."
Even if Statesman had nothing else, he's got the ability to muscle through being moved because his LS is hilariously above Kiryu’s.
True and I can’t deny that at all. And that’s his only real advantage and wincon. Meanwhile Kiryu has not only numerical advantages but also genuinely effective ones. He can become faster than Statesman (which not only makes him
notably quicker, but can even reach the point
where he statues him [The last two scans are still listed on Kiryu and Yagami’s profiles as their base or travel speed, even though I’m pretty sure those Heat actions work on bosses- that is, comparable foes- the last one being an example. IIRC there are a few others that should be usable tho, the first scan is one of them], a few free hits are almost guaranteed) and can bridge the AP gap with stat amps, KO is nearly impossible because of his many Heat abilities, can grow in skill throughout the fight, predict his moves, and use actual techniques including repelling attacks and striking pressure points.
