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DanMachi/Sword Oratoria/Familia Chronicle/Heroic Myth Discussion Thread

I guess it’s possible that it could also just be referring to Nidhogg’s breath range only being that big. So I guess there’s some leeway on this being interpreted in another way instead of just writing this off as an inconsistency. Cause it did say that Nidhogg can’t destroy Babel Tower even though that’s smaller than Central Park which is the size of Knossos 11th Floor.

that's fair
Also been doing some estimation and I think with the info we’ve gotten in the series. The present day Black Dragon is probably at least a level 15 threat. So if we use the order of magnitude statement and upscale them from that Titan Alm Demi Spirit Fire Storm calc you made. The Black Dragon should be around High 6-A as a bare minimum. Which is kinda consistent with the Episode Asfi statement about needing half the Lower World to be destroyed in order to have a chance at killing it.
yeah it would be decently consistent, multipliers specially should help, btw I wouldn't mind if we did try and find a different person to do the calc again just to revuse it bc I know someone else in here did a revision of Orario size that got to 80km, I got to 100km (which means that to me the 59th floor would be about 200km or 300km in diameter), so might be a good idea to do another attempt at the calc, tough if you wanna seddle for the one my friend made then fair, I still agree with it so it's not like I'm saying I'm wrong (but again I know you want to stick to the lower levels for the time being so I won't insist on it)
But yeah these recent volumes kinda went bonkers on the scaling and feats. The Incomplete Six Spirit Ring being capable of destroying floor 31-60 yet couldn’t destroy Thalia’s Ice Garden that might’ve been created by Celdia would mean that this could scale to Celdia’s magic power. And Celdia was inferior to Albert so this feat would also upscale the Black Dragon from 1000 years ago who killed Albert. Probably gonna need to go review all the scaling to see who else this feat could scale to besides them.

Not to mention all the various speed scaling we got such as the novel outright stating level 4s can get out of a fireball explosion with a range of 300 meters. And then there’s the adventurers (level 5s and higher) can cross 600 meters in the blink of an eye statement.
honestly we might genuinely need a basic guide on who scales to who and who is stronger to who eventually, so far even I am having a hard time figuring out who is stronger to who, and even in the story it feels like all the top tiers are more or less within the same range as one another anyway, levels feel optional when every characters has stats or skills or spells that allow them to have way higher power than their levels should
 
the series doesn't have much crazy haxs, it's mostly tame for a fantasy light novel

most you get is like, magic absorbsion with Bete's Hati, mind control and soul manipulation with Freya and the Dis sisters, fear manipulation, power nullification with Alfia, that's about it
 
that's fair

yeah it would be decently consistent, multipliers specially should help, btw I wouldn't mind if we did try and find a different person to do the calc again just to revuse it bc I know someone else in here did a revision of Orario size that got to 80km, I got to 100km (which means that to me the 59th floor would be about 200km or 300km in diameter), so might be a good idea to do another attempt at the calc, tough if you wanna seddle for the one my friend made then fair, I still agree with it so it's not like I'm saying I'm wrong (but again I know you want to stick to the lower levels for the time being so I won't insist on it)

honestly we might genuinely need a basic guide on who scales to who and who is stronger to who eventually, so far even I am having a hard time figuring out who is stronger to who, and even in the story it feels like all the top tiers are more or less within the same range as one another anyway, levels feel optional when every characters has stats or skills or spells that allow them to have way higher power than their levels should
We’ll definitely try to get everything recalc’d by someone with more knowledge just in case.

And yeah totally agree with you there. At this point levels is just there to look pretty rather than actually be relevant. By level 7 and up everybody can output power up to level 10 or higher someway somehow. Like even Lefiya of all people is now pretty much confirmed to be able to output level 9 magic with Vas Windheim scaling despite only being a Mid level 4.

Aside from the stats scaling, what're the most impressive hax we have currently?
Ngl there’s like barely any hax in the series. Most abilities are just stat amps of some kind. Though of the ones that have appeared so far if we exclude Freya’s charm. I’d say it’s Celdia’s Thalia Ice Garden. It’s a realm of absolute zero that also overloads your mind and soul with information about Celdia’s memories and stuff. Pretty much JJK Gojo’s Unlimited Void + Absolute Zero + Mind Control.
 
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I see, I see.

This verse is pretty much fcked if someone decide they wanted to make a match of equal tier against someone with one or two good hax outside of Celdia or the Gods and Goddesses.
Ehh we’ve still got some pretty decent characters to use and could probably win some of their matches.

Lefiya is like only level 4 but spams level 7-9 magic casually. And she can summon a Filvis clone that does the same to protect her. So unless you’ve got hax that works instantly most characters of the same tier as Lefiya just gets curbstomped by her having Einsel activated at the beginning and than having already prepped a Rea Laeveteinn or even Vas Windheim on her arm that she can fire immediately.

Corrupted Spirit is also pretty much a one man army who can summon multiple creatures stronger than herself as well as summoning an unlimited amount of durability negating fodders. Which in a match against people of the same tier is complete overkill if they don’t have aoe hax they’d just lose due to the acid.

Alfia also destroys any magic users in the same tier as her since she straight up nullifies their magic with her passive anti-magic barrier. So if their hax is magic based they are screwed. As Alfia can also just go up personal and beat them up physically.
 
Lefiya is like only level 4 but spams level 7-9 magic casually. And she can summon a Filvis clone that does the same to protect her. So unless you’ve got hax that works instantly most characters of the same tier as Lefiya just gets curbstomped by her having Einsel activated at the beginning and than having already prepped a Rea Laeveteinn or even Vas Windheim on her arm that she can fire immediately.
Woah wth. Does this mean Lefiya now could output magic power far above Riveria?
 
Woah wth. Does this mean Lefiya now could output magic power far above Riveria?
Riveria throws out level 8-10 magic as a level 7. All mages in DanMachi with the developmental ability Mage can output magic one level higher than their current level. Lefiya is just more ridiculous and could output magic two levels higher (Now seemingly three levels higher) due to Fairy Canon and can copy Riveria’s magic which can output magic up to another two levels higher. Which pretty much leads to Lefiya throwing out a maximum of level 9 magic despite only being a level 4.

She’s weak in series because of low speed and physicals compared to the first tier adventurers. But out of the verse in these vs matches where speed is pretty much equalized most of the time. Lefiya’s a huge menace with her skillset.
 
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This verse's AP scaling is impressive. Might have one of the best examples for stats boosting in the wiki. Of course this is supported by the fact the verse has specific levels to it, so it's easier to determine how potent such stats boost is. Otherwise we would probably leave the tiering at low-tier, mid-tier, top-tier, god-tier, etc etc which couldn't say much.
 
Alfia also destroys any magic users in the same tier as her since she straight up nullifies their magic with her passive anti-magic barrier. So if their hax is magic based they are screwed. As Alfia can also just go up personal and beat them up physically.
honestly I would love to discuss Alfia vs Gojo for fun at some point bc the debate sounds interesting lol
 
Alfia would one shot Gojo with literally anything in her arsenal as long as she somehow bypasses Infinity. So knowing her once she sees magic isn't working she'd probably go right up to Gojo and nullify his Infinity with her Satanas Verion (Assuming Cursed Energy counts as magic and gets nullified which it probably does when verse equalized). After that she just needs to Gospel punch him to win. And Unlimited Void probably wouldn't work either as the level 7 adventurers are shown to resist Thalia's Ice Garden's information overload for a while. So Alfia would probably be fine for a while even if Gojo tried to overload her brain with random info.
 
btw I gotta ask this bc it involves scaling for level 2s but how are we feeling on Welf dodging Allen's attack in vol 19 during the freya war game?

it very directly says Welf instinctively reacted fast enough to barely dodge it, do we count that as a potential speed feat for Welf or even level 2s in general or do we just leave that as a weird one off thing?
 
btw I gotta ask this bc it involves scaling for level 2s but how are we feeling on Welf dodging Allen's attack in vol 19 during the freya war game?

it very directly says Welf instinctively reacted fast enough to barely dodge it, do we count that as a potential speed feat for Welf or even level 2s in general or do we just leave that as a weird one off thing?
Unless there’s a stated speed for casual Allen it’s just unquantifiable.
 
Unless there’s a stated speed for casual Allen it’s just unquantifiable.
well it's at the very least a possibility that maybe lower levels have higher speed stats than we give them credit for, if a level 2s can barely react to Allen, then who knows
 
well it's at the very least a possibility that maybe lower levels have higher speed stats than we give them credit for, if a level 2s can barely react to Allen, then who knows
If you’re trying to somehow make level 2s downscale from Allen than no. During the Knossos battle it’s made very clear that only level 5s and higher can perceive Allen’s speed. Welf being able to react to a really casual Allen just means he has better reactions than the other level 2s. But neither he nor any other level 2s for that matter in any way downscales from Allen.

And speaking of speed. Did anybody read the earlier volumes to find any speed feats for the lower levels yet?
 
Finally finished listing down the DM21 and SO16 stuff while reading the two volumes together. Here you go but keep in mind I'm just posting a MTL of the portion of the novel where the scene occurs for you to read since I'm too lazy to translate every single one from Chinese to English.

DanMachi Volume 21

Chapter 2: EKIDEN EXPRESS

Leon one shots Udaeus with his 3rd weapon



Ottar defeated a level 7 Balor and went on to face a level 8 Balor



Base Ottar’s Hildis Vini can cleanly slice through a level 8 Balor



Valgang Dragon fireballs are about 10 meters wide



The Valgang Dragon Hydra Demi Spirit’s single explosive shell melted through 100 meters of bedrock from the 58th floor all the way to the 51st floor and would’ve one shot everybody when they were off guard. Level 6 Ryu’s Astrea Record was able to cancel out majority of its firepower.



Level 5 Bell’s Firebolt is completely inferior to Level 4 Lefiya’s Arcs Ray



The fall from the 52nd floor to the 58th floor is even greater than the fall from the Great Fall which is over 2x its width of 400 meters. So from the 52nd to 58th floor it’s at least 800 meters. Though I’m pretty sure just from the SO manga alone it should be well over 1km if we calculate using terminal velocity free falling.



Level 5 Bell’s Argonaut amped Firebolt alongside Level 4 Lefiya’s Dio Thyrsos pierced through the 100 meter fireball and one shot one of the Valgang Dragon Demi Spirit’s head



Valgang Dragon Demi Spirit’s cannonball violently shakes the entire 58th floor but the explosion has an effective range of about 300 meters which only level 4s and higher can escape from. It also turned the Dragon’s Urn into a canyon by destroying the landscape.



Valgang Dragon Demi-Spirit is more powerful than even the level 8 Balor



The 58th Floor Juggernaut is much more powerful than the Juggernaut Bell faced and could even one shot level 7s in the right conditions



Chapter 3: Pandaemonium
The female spider monsters are about level 5



Bell’s skill Vanadis Tevere is equivalent to a level boost and grants him infinite regeneration and mana healing better than Heith’s and almost as good as Black Goliath’s. But it can’t heal stamina, mana, and injuries at the same time at max output.









Chapter 4: The Price of a Miracle
Violas can’t resist the physicals strikes of level 6s. So their blunt force resistance only goes up to level 5 and level 6s can one shot them with blunt force.



Bete is almost as fast as Allen and is capable of keeping up with Vanadis Tevere Bell who should have speed equivalent to a level 7



The parasitized Tiona is stronger than her normal self and superior to Bete in both strength and speed but inferior in skill and technique



Chapter 5: The Noob is Gone
Black Maiden easily redirects the 17 second charge Firebolt from Vanadis Tevere Bell



Black Maiden’s black wind overpowered Leon’s 8th weapon but she began to fear Leon’s 9th weapon after the destruction of Zald enhanced all of Leon’s basic abilities



Black Maiden is the most powerful enemy Bell’s group has faced up till now making it superior to the multi-headed dragon Demi Spirit



Every Rea Laeveteinn pillar is over 10 meters in diameter. Seems like increasing level only increases the damage and number of flame pillars and not the size of it.



Asterius one shot hordes of Spirit Remnants though they are rather weak to physical attacks



Hestia and Bell both thought that DM21 Wiene is probably the strongest member of their familia now and superior to Bell and Ryuu. Wiene is likely a level 6 now



Vanadis Tevere Bell's Firebolt is equivalent to a level 6 showing how magic is his weakest stat and is only around level 6 tier when his other stats are level 7 tier.



The Corrupted Spirit's magic is powerful enough to injure its heart



Wiene who was stated to be the strongest member of Hestia Familia normally is considered the weakest offensively among the group rescuing Aiz right now. Which confirms that Lido and the other top Xenos are all level 6 now as well.



Bell can now charge two Argonauts and the Corrupted Spirit believes a Max Charge Grand Bell Argonaut could kill her



Nearly max charge Firebolt from Vanadis Tevere Bell managed to pierce the Corrupted Spirit



Vanadis Tevere Bell's Max Charge Grand Bell Argo Vesta managed to completely overpower the Corrupted Spirit's main body but failed to surpass the durability of the Underworld after it had absorbed Aiz and gained Ariel



The Corrupted Spirit created a clone of the Black Dragon which is also considered her trump card



The wind storm the Corrupted Spirit is using right now is about as powerful as the Great Wind Seal in Dragon Valley



The Spirit Dragon can spam Aiz's trump card Lil Rafaga



Corrupted Spirit merged with the Spirit Dragon



Haruhime's Uchide no Kozuchi works even on the Xenos



Ryuu nerfed the Corrupted Spirit Dragon fusion with a debuff magic in Astrea Record



Without Ryuu's magic debuffing the Spirit Dragon, the injured and weak level 6s like Bete, Lido, and Hogni would've been one shot by the Spirit Dragon's initial wind attack



9th weapon Leon managed to defeat the Black Maiden and Ottar managed to defeat the level 8 Balor



Leon and Ottar both claim that the Corrupted Spirit after merging with the Spirit Dragon is still weaker than Zeus and Hera Familia. Level boosted Ottar w/ Stortus Ottar activated managed to pierce through the Corrupted Spirit Dragon's wind barrier and injure it with narration even comparing Stortus Ottar to Beastification. Leon with his 9th weapon possesses even higher offensive power than Ottar



The Corrupted Spirit used an downgraded Six Spirit Ring using the Spirit Remnants which although not as powerful as any of the past Six Spirit Ring. It still has enough power to destroy the Underworld



Leon's Afterglow is the most effective technique used against the Corrupted Spirit thus far and managed to destroy many of her tornadoes created using Ariel



The downgraded Six Spirit Ring uses the full power of the Underworld and is thus likely superior to Reginas Revis. Yet it was cancelled out by level boosted Beastified Ottar with Stortus Ottar + Hildis Vini as well as level boosted Leon w/ his 10th weapon together.



Bete's Hati surpasses Allen's Gralineze Fromel in terms of power



Bete's Hati at its current level of power after absorbing all the damage he accumulated as well as absorbing the Corrupted Spirit's magic surpassed Leon and Ottar and was capable of destroying the Absolute Shield that the Corrupted Spirit believed could withstand her own downgraded Six Spirit Ring. However, level boosted Vanadis Tevere Bell's Max Charge Grand Bell Argo Vesta is still considered to be more powerful than Bete's super boosted Hati.



Tiona amped by all her skills at maximum + the parasitization + Bete’s Frostvert gem after absorbing the Corrupted Spirit’s magic had enough power to destroy the weakened Absolute Shield



Level Boosted Vanadis Tevere Bell's Max Charge Argo Vesta instantly one shots the Spirit Dragon



Sword Oratoria Volume 16

Chapter 2: IRREGULAR FESTIVAL

The gap between level 4 and 5 is bigger than any of the previous gap between levels



Alicia can unleash magic comparable to a level 5 despite being a level 4 (Probably due to Mage)



The Demi-Spirit Alica’s group is facing is weaker than all the Demi-Spirits they have ever faced. But it was still strong enough to stop Alicia’s magic which is comparable to a level 5. So even this one is at least level 5.



The Thalia’s Ice Garden is a realm of absolute zero that can freeze not just the body but even the mind and soul. Even a level 5 can barely withstand the coldness of the area.



Level 5 and higher adventurers (The weakest adventurer here is Anakitty a level 5) are capable of crossing 600 meters in the blink of an eye



Thalia’s Ice Garden is considered the most dangerous place in the Dungeon so much that even Zeus and Hera gave up exploring this area. Also there’s a giant lion frozen here which is said to be from a floor even lower than the 60th. This may or may not be the same type of lion monster that Argonaut fought and had to sacrifice his memories to defeat.



Thalia’s Ice Garden that may or may not be created by Celdia is a realm that not even the Corrupted Spirit can interfere with



First class adventurers can survive with just dew for a week



Chapter 3: Those Who Return
Mid level 4 Lefiya has magic about as powerful as Level 6 Ryuu who can output level 7 magic thanks to DA Mage



The Valgang Dragon Demi Spirit violently shakes the entire Dragon’s Urn (Floor 52-58) and probably also Floor 51 as its shown to hit beyond that floor and onto the bottom of Floor 50



Pseudo level 7 Ryuu defeated the 58th Floor Juggernaut by herself



Some 60th floor info



Chapter 4: The Question from the Ice Prison
The Six Spirit Ring can destroy everything from the 60th floor all the way up to the surface



Even the incomplete Six Spirit Ring can destroy nearly half the floors starting from the 60th floor



Ice Armor Tione has the status of a level 7



Finn using Hell Finnegas along with Noble Brave together can resist absolute zero and Celdia’s mental pollution and overpower Ice Armor Tione
双眼染成血红。



Chapter 5: A Desperate Wish
The Demi Spirits in the Dungeon are all inferior to the Demi Spirits in Knossos. Except for the last two which were enhanced





Potential downscale for the series. Nidhogg isn’t capable of destroying Orario. At best it can only destroy the area in Knossos from the 11th floor up and kill all the adventurers in Knossos. So level 7s can die to attacks that can’t destroy Orario.



Thalia’s Ice Garden survived the blast from the incomplete Six Spirit Ring that is capable of destroying Floors 31-60



Black Maiden is a copy of Aria and considered by the gods to be the strongest gatekeeper and is thus at least stronger than the Multi-headed dragon Demi Spirit on the 58th floor



Black Maiden was completely unharmed by Lefiya’s Arcs Ray and was stated to be far more powerful than Aiz’s usual Ariel. And considering how she’s using black wind the Black Maiden is probably at least as powerful as Black Wind Ariel Aiz



Leon with Blaze of Round can force Black Maiden to defend seriously





Spirit Remnants are strong enough to cut Vanadis Tevere Bell’s body which is equivalent to a level 7 and have magic resistance on par with the spirit cloths and are capable of resisting Lefiya’s magic.



The spirit clothes allowed Lefiya to survive an onslaught of magic capable of heavily injuring Vanadis Tevere Bell



It takes tens of shots of Vanadis Tevere Bell’s Firebolt to take down a single Spirit Remnant



Lefiya’s Rea Laeveteinn one shot all the Spirit Remnants despite their magic resistance



Finn’s finger twitch considers Reginas Revis to be the single most dangerous thing they have ever faced up till reentering the 60th floor making it superior to the Incomplete Six Spirit Ring that could’ve destroyed Floors 31-60 and was used to target them on Thalia's Ice Garden just before they entered Floor 60



The Corrupted Spirit is the Underworld, 60th floor, itself.



Level 7 Finn’s Tir Na Nog is more powerful than anything in Ottar’s arsenal and is something Ottar can only dodge and not take head on. So Level 7 Finn's Tir Na Nog > Beastified Ottar w/ Stortus Ottar + Hildis Vini



Level 7 Finn’s point blank Tir Na Nog pierced Reginas Revis’ body but failed to pierce the Underworld (Corrupted Spirit) after she absorbed Aiz’s wind



Finn believes that there are only two other possibilities that are stronger than Tir Na Nog and could potentially destroy the Corrupted Spirit in a single blow



Reginas Revis is the most powerful enemy Loki Familia has ever faced



Empowered Corrupted Spirit info



Reginas can use all of Aiz and Revis’ techniques including Aiz’s Ariel





Riveria’s Vas Windheim is Loki Familia’s true trump card and superior to Finn’s Tir Na Nog. It is also one of the two options Finn had previously considered that could take down Reginas



Reginas upon activating Ariel speed blitzed Allen who’s speed is faster than that of even level 8s



Gulliver Brothers’ teamwork allows them to damage Reginas’ arm which neither Allen nor a weakened Riveria’s Wynn Fimbulvetr could do.






Reginas and the Corrupted Spirit has unlimited access to Aiz’s Ariel at full power which is stated and shown multiple times in the past to be equivalent to a level boost



Reginas’ strength has exceeded that of a level 9 likely meaning she’s equivalent to a level 10 which supports the previous statement about Level 7 Riveria’s Vas Windheim also only being able to heavily injure her and not kill her.



Reginas in this battle is incapable of using magic as its main body (Corrupted Spirit) is currently using magic in another battlefield. Even without magic she is far stronger than even the likes of Ottar and Leon. And if she were able to use magic they would all die instantly even with Amid healing them.



Chapter 6: Toward the Promised Place

Reginas can create clones of herself that are all level 4 but can use Ariel thus boosting them to level 5



Reginas can even use Avenger Ariel. So at her peak she is level 10 + 2 levels (Ariel + Avenger) = Level 12



Lefiya can easily kill Reginas clones despite their level 5 status and magic deflection via Ariel



The Corrupted Spirit and Reginas Revis share one power source (Underworld + Aiz). So when the Corrupted Spirit began to use more power Reginas Revis got weakened massively.



Even while weakened Finn's group still ahs a hard time trying to take down Reginas Revis



Aiz's skill Avenger is sentient and refused to give Reginas Revis more power stating that she already gave enough. And even after all the power she gave Reginas Revis is still incapable of defeating the Black Dragon. So the Black Dragon is at least confirmed to be level 12 if not even level 14 as Avenger boost the user by 4 levels against black dragon type monsters. So she instead proceeded to take back all her power and more thus weakening Reginas Revis even further.



Gulliver Brothers' teamwork allows them to breakthrough the wind vortex that even level 7s struggle to break through and take Reginas arm.



Even after being double nerfed, losing her arms, and being unable to use Aiz's Ariel, Reginas Revis still has enough power to match and stop Allen's Gralineze Fromel which is capable of one shotting Ottar unless he defends with his full power (Potentially referring to Beastification). So even at this point double nerfed Reginas is still at least level 8 physically.



Even after being double nerfed, losing her arms, unable to use Ariel, even further injured by Allen's Gralineze Fromel, Reginas Revis can still survive Lefiya's magic which is equivalent to level 7s.



Lefiya's Einsel creates a clone of Filvis instead of herself and her status points are not halved when using it. So instead of becoming two level 2s when using Einsel. Lefiya becomes two level 4s when using it. And Filvis seems to possess Lefiya's skill instead of her own as she can create a Dio Grail that can block Reginas Revis who still has the status of at least a level 7. Lefiya's Rea Laeveteinn which would be equivalent to level 8 managed to kill the super weakened Reginas







Epilogue: The Secret Art of Frozen Time
The Black Dragon is rumored to be 10 billion times stronger than the Corrupted Spirit's full force (Likely referring to Corrupted Spirit's full force of herself + Spirit Dragon + Reginas Revis + Black Maiden + Demi Spirits)



The heroes of ancient times are considered monsters that are superior to even the Zeus and Hera Familia



And that should be it for most of the impressive stuff in these two volumes. Took way longer than I expected even if I was busy with other stuff IRL.
So OEBD is 10 billion times stronger than level 12-14 Corrupted Spirit?
 
So OEBD is 10 billion times stronger than level 12-14 Corrupted Spirit?
That’s just an in series rumor or exaggeration. In reality it probably will be much stronger than the Corrupted Spirit but definitely no where near 10 billion times. Otherwise the Black Dragon would be like some tier 5 borderlining tier 4 monster. Which wouldn’t really be that consistent with how the gods are essentially the strongest thing in the series yet only has High 6-A to 5-B statements.
 
For some reason I didn't get any more notif for this thread bruh 🫠😭
lol. Yeah sometime that happens when the posts are on the next page of the thread after you’ve read the final post on the previous page.

Btw is your friend still able to make calcs for us? I’ll probably contact a calc member to evaluate all the current calcs after we get the last few calcs for the level 1s completed.
 
lol. Yeah sometime that happens when the posts are on the next page of the thread after you’ve read the final post on the previous page.

Btw is your friend still able to make calcs for us? I’ll probably contact a calc member to evaluate all the current calcs after we get the last few calcs for the level 1s completed.
Ah right. It hasn't been evaluated yet.

Yeah, they still can (I mean, they are a calc member, so, lol). Think we could go up to level 2s now?
 
Ah right. It hasn't been evaluated yet.

Yeah, they still can (I mean, they are a calc member, so, lol). Think we could go up to level 2s now?
There’s still this one that we might be able to use to scale to the New level 1s before we move onto the level 2 feats.

The falnaless guards and mercenaries can survive getting hit by a 6 meter long airen’s swing that can also shatter roofs of houses.
An enormous body emerged from the swirling cloud of dust.
It was a giant, hair-raising mass of flesh, a hideous figure that evoked a blue slug crawling across the ground. At the top of the mass of flesh was an upper body, just barely discernible as female, with two arms. Finn’s eyes widened when he saw the monster, thinking that looked like it had been born from a giant’s viscera.
“Th-that’s…a-an airen…?!”
A mercenary’s voice quailed just as the airen roared. The six-meder long body swung, sweeping like a giant’s arm.
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!”
“Gaaaaaah?!”
Guards and mercenaries alike were swept aside. But it did not stop there. Its powerful arms shattered the roofs of houses and it even breathed fire. Simply seeing its destructive potential was enough to transform courage into terror.
 
There’s still this one that we might be able to use to scale to the New level 1s before we move onto the level 2 feats.

The falnaless guards and mercenaries can survive getting hit by a 6 meter long airen’s swing that can also shatter roofs of houses.
Alright, do we know how much houses it strikes? Since it is plural, I'd assume it's safer to do maybe 2 or 3 at the very least.
 
Alright, do we know how much houses it strikes? Since it is plural, I'd assume it's safer to do maybe 2 or 3 at the very least.
Dunno that’s all the light novel description gave but I assume two should be the bare minimum. If we want to see the actual feat and not just the description. Than we’ll probably have to wait around 1 1/2 to 2 years for the Sword Oratoria manga to reach this part of Volume 14.
 
btw a possible anti feat against SoL that got me curious but in volume 18, when Bell gets amped by both Haruhime's level boost and Hedin's Laurus Hildr, it describes Bell becoming the "embodiment of lightning" to which not even Ryuu as an artificial level 7 could keep up, in fact the story constantly mentions lightning and such for describing Bell's speed, so it got me curious if Bell was actually moving at lightning speed or not, and if he did, wouldn't that be an anti feat argument against adventurers as low as level 5 reaction to FTL movement since apparently not even Ryuu could keep up? I'm just trying to cover any counter arguments that could be made is all

also in the same volume it mentions Bell + haruhime level boost + Hedin Laurus Hildr + escape running as a beam of light, do we take that as is or just flowery language?
 
That’s just an in series rumor or exaggeration. In reality it probably will be much stronger than the Corrupted Spirit but definitely no where near 10 billion times. Otherwise the Black Dragon would be like some tier 5 borderlining tier 4 monster. Which wouldn’t really be that consistent with how the gods are essentially the strongest thing in the series yet only has High 6-A to 5-B statements.
I think you can make compelling arg why gods are beyond that as I don't think lower world is just the planet
 
btw a possible anti feat against SoL that got me curious but in volume 18, when Bell gets amped by both Haruhime's level boost and Hedin's Laurus Hildr, it describes Bell becoming the "embodiment of lightning" to which not even Ryuu as an artificial level 7 could keep up, in fact the story constantly mentions lightning and such for describing Bell's speed, so it got me curious if Bell was actually moving at lightning speed or not, and if he did, wouldn't that be an anti feat argument against adventurers as low as level 5 reaction to FTL movement since apparently not even Ryuu could keep up? I'm just trying to cover any counter arguments that could be made is all

also in the same volume it mentions Bell + haruhime level boost + Hedin Laurus Hildr + escape running as a beam of light, do we take that as is or just flowery language?
We literally see in the anime he turns golden and bright like light it's no anti feat
 
btw a possible anti feat against SoL that got me curious but in volume 18, when Bell gets amped by both Haruhime's level boost and Hedin's Laurus Hildr, it describes Bell becoming the "embodiment of lightning" to which not even Ryuu as an artificial level 7 could keep up, in fact the story constantly mentions lightning and such for describing Bell's speed, so it got me curious if Bell was actually moving at lightning speed or not, and if he did, wouldn't that be an anti feat argument against adventurers as low as level 5 reaction to FTL movement since apparently not even Ryuu could keep up? I'm just trying to cover any counter arguments that could be made is all

also in the same volume it mentions Bell + haruhime level boost + Hedin Laurus Hildr + escape running as a beam of light, do we take that as is or just flowery language?
That’s why I said we need to compile all the speed feats and decide what’s consistent first.Though tbf that’s Bell with speeds equivalent to a pseudo level 8 so of course a pseudo level 7 Ryuu can’t keep up. Also Jupiter Contract Argonaut who was described as lightning speed multiple times in the novel could also have his movements seen clearly by the other ancient heroes who are equivalent to level 5s.
 
Btw how’s the calc going?
"I could try to calculate the force of the monster swinging, although I might need to guesswork the speed/time of the strike. The houses' roofs' destruction would probably be an estimation since the text doesn't state the size of it."

This was what they have say. It'll probably took longer than the previous ones which are more obvious and blatant.
 
btw a possible anti feat against SoL that got me curious but in volume 18, when Bell gets amped by both Haruhime's level boost and Hedin's Laurus Hildr, it describes Bell becoming the "embodiment of lightning" to which not even Ryuu as an artificial level 7 could keep up, in fact the story constantly mentions lightning and such for describing Bell's speed, so it got me curious if Bell was actually moving at lightning speed or not, and if he did, wouldn't that be an anti feat argument against adventurers as low as level 5 reaction to FTL movement since apparently not even Ryuu could keep up? I'm just trying to cover any counter arguments that could be made is all

also in the same volume it mentions Bell + haruhime level boost + Hedin Laurus Hildr + escape running as a beam of light, do we take that as is or just flowery language?
Statements like this aren't anti feats, author's just use them to show a character is exceptionally fast. Even characters who are infinite speed in other series have statements like that, ultimately author's don't tend to keep a super consistent "term" for how fast characters are after they reach certain levels of speed. So you guys should be fine
 

Aight it's done and the person who did it asked me the source of the scan to add it into the calc
Neat but did you tell him that these are village houses from Medieval times? Since DanMachi is pretty much set in what appears to be Medieval times. Not sure if that would change the results or not.

Also the source is Sword Oratoria Light Novel Volume 14 Chapter 1: The Pallum's Adventure
 
Gods & Goddesses: High 6-A to 5-B
5-B, huh?
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Hey guys

Long ago i was finding the 4th season ass and put it on hold on the 2nd episode and never got back
Does it get better?

Also long ago, i was reading Sword Oratoria's manga and couldn't find the rest anywhere. Has it ended? Where can i read it?
 
Hey guys

Long ago i was finding the 4th season ass and put it on hold on the 2nd episode and never got back
Does it get better?

Also long ago, i was reading Sword Oratoria's manga and couldn't find the rest anywhere. Has it ended? Where can i read it?
Absolutely yes. Most people consider the 4th season to be the peak of the DanMaci anime. Which it is tbh. The other seasons don’t adapt the DanMachi arcs as well in comparison.

Sword Oratoria is still ongoing but translation is slow. The latest raw SO manga chapter has reached Volume 13 of the LN.
 
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