THE DARK TOWER: Distinctions that are necessary to do.

Jockey-1337 · Feb 7, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
READING THE NOVEL IS NOT AN OPTION

I have a digital version of it:

“Because you are possessed,” Mia said, “and I am your possessor, sure. I can look
through any of your memories that I like. I can read what your eyes see. Now be
quiet and listen if you would learn, for I sense our time has grown short.”
Four
This is what Susannah’s demon told her.
“There are six Beams, as you did say, but there are twelve Guardians, one for each end
of each Beam. This—for we’re still on it—is the Beam of Shardik. Were you to go
beyond the Tower, it would become the Beam of Maturin, the great turtle upon
whose shell the world rests.
“Similarly, there are but six demon elementals, one for each Beam. Below them is the whole
invisible world, those creatures left behind on the beach of existence when the
Prim receded. There are speaking demons, demons of house which some call
ghosts, ill-sick demons which some—makers of machines and worshippers of the
great false god rationality, if it does ya—call disease. Many small demons but
only six demon elementals. Yet as there are twelve Guardians for the six Beams,
there are twelve demon aspects, for each demon elemental is both male and
female.”
Susannah began to see where this was going, and felt a sudden sinking in her guts. From
the naked bristle of rocks beyond the allure, in what Mia called the Discordia,
there came a dry, feverish cackle of laughter. This unseen humorist was joined
by a second, a third, a fourth and fifth. Suddenly it seemed that the whole
world was laughing at her. And perhaps with good reason, for it was a good
joke. But how could she have known?

The provided quote supports my interpretation - the Guardians are connected to the Tower, and Maturin is one of them.
The Tower doesn't need to be multiversal in size to be multiversal in importance.

Jockey-1337 · Feb 7, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
Apophatism concept. Inferior being cannot qualify anything about TFO, but the narrator can, and he did.
A power beyond everything, the author of all there was and encompassing everything in his mind.

"A power beyond everything" - Gan and the Prim have similar titles. Titles are titles, not feats.

Mr._East_Statement · Feb 7, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
THE DARK TOWER: MISTAKE AND SCALING, THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD VERSE.

In The Dark Tower, at the start, there was nothing, nothing but Prim, the primordial chaotic soup. From this soup, Gan rose from it. After that, he created Dark Tower. Dark tower itself created the physical multiverse and he rose himself to infinity, like Gan.

Dark Tower, will be described as the "physical Manifestation of the great god Gan", proving that Dark Tower is not Gan, so qualify "Gan" as the dark tower is wrong.

CONCLUSION:
Gan is Not Dark Tower. Dark tower is an avatar.

THE OTHER AND GAN
In IT (Books), IT thinking he's at the top of cosmology, get into a limit, so he supposed that there was an Other. After that, he was terrified, And Stephen king will backup this Other, with like 3 statement.

The Other dwelt in a void beyond

The Other is a power beyond all others power, the author of all there was

IT would be an infinitesimale Fly in this Other's mind

there's three major differences between Gan and The Other. Gan rose from prim, created The Dark Tower and KA. After that, He passively ascended to infinity, observing his creation. His voice continues to echoes in Macroverse chamber.

The Other, encompasses everything in his mind, dwelt in a void beyond the Macroverse, and created everything. So, the transcendance is different, analogy is different, and how they works is different, and there's no solide link between them.

CONCLUSION:
The Other is not Gan.

SCALING: THE OTHER
APOPHATISM: Apophatic theology is the “negative” theology of the study of God. By this, I mean that God, in apophatic theology, cannot be described by what He is, but rather by what He is not.

VSBW directly addresses this subject on its omnipotence page; it is therefore appropriate to admit that this theory is applicable in a Meta under VSBW as an authority.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Omnipotence

Moreover, the application of apophatic theology to a character is sufficient to exactly fulfill all the criteria necessary for Tier 0, as it is a theory closely related to the mechanism of Tier 0 itself. Thus, in order to prove my Tier 0 as a whole, I will have to prove that:

The incomprehensibility of my character does not come from an inferior intellect—such as a four-dimensional square being incomprehensible to three-dimensional beings—but is incomprehensible in its very nature, namely.

The incomprehension of the character must be correlated with its power and its magnitude; it must also be. It must furthermore transcend the entirety of the qualities of the intellectual object. It would therefore not be hyperboles, but serious affirmations regarding its ontology.

Moreover, the statements of this character must be a duality, a comparison—this is the principle of “he is not” rather than “he is.” Statements beyond that should be considered exaggerations, but they will in no way hinder the scaling of the character.

In Stephen King’s universe, specifically the novel IT, the clown that took control of Derry with a 27-year cycle to devour children is intimately connected to The Dark Tower. In reality, the cosmology of The Dark Tower is linked to the entirety of Stephen King’s works.

Moreover, IT exists beyond the Macroverse, beyond the Great Turtle.

This Other dwelt in a void beyond this one

No formal description, only an affirmation of its existence. This does not debunk apophatic theology, because in apophatic theology, the existence of a God beyond is precisely affirmed.

This Other was perhaps, the creator of IT, and the Turtle. A Force Beyond The Universe, A Power Beyond All Other Power The Author of all there was.

No formal description, direct suppositions using “perhaps”; it is described as a force beyond IT’s universe, a non-duality, the author of all things, thus obtaining feats of primacy and creation.

Where IT Existed As A Titanic, Glowing Core, Which Might Be No More Than The Smallest Mote In That Other's Mind.

Everything is said to be an infinitesimal speck in its mind, again with suppositions.

It is therefore clear that nothing is certain regarding The Other, except its existence beyond all things and the fact that everything is created by it, each being an infinitesimal part of its mind. Moreover, these consistent feats are sufficient to grant Tier 0 for The Other. Indivisibility is not proven, as it is unprovable in this context. However, VSBW notes that Tier 0 does not require proving all prerequisites. Therefore, within the brief expectations of scaling, I can prove that The Other is Tier 0 via: Primacy, omnipotent, feat of creation, ineffability, no distinction between ontological and objects, and insurpassability.

THE OTHER: TIER 0

Thank you for reading, I appreciate it.

I'll Add more arguments for distinction a bit after

Uhhhhh, sorry what, I am reading this annnnnnnndddddddddddd… that's it?

Alright, first off, it is already very much not Tier-0, even if we take everything as face value and believing every single quote you posted exactly implies what you said, it is just… not Tier-0. The argument is insufficient, and there is very little thing. The argument does not hold even by agreeing the entirety of it is, without a doubt, true.

Now, referring the actual problem, seven minutes is all I spare for this:

1. IT itself has no idea of what Other is:

This Other was perhaps, the creator of IT, and the Turtle. A Force Beyond The Universe, A Power Beyond All Other Power The Author of all there was.

Where IT Existed As A Titanic, Glowing Core, Which Might Be No More Than The Smallest Mote In That Other's Mind.

IT just assume what the The Other could be. Clearly we cannot take his words as face value, specially when it is, self admittingly, a infinitesimal part of The Other without even having any understanding of it. It does not have the same absolution one describes the God.

2. The whole "Apophatic Theology":

There is nothing Apophatic about The Other, based on your scans. It neither goes to negate the divine properties of the God in a classical way nor fashioned. There isn't even much to speak about when you look at examples of Apophatic Theology, it isn't even remotely close.

An actual example of Apophatic Theology in the classical texts, on the other hand, is this

O Light Eternal, that alone abidest
In Thyself, alone dost understand Thyself,
And, self-understood, self-understanding, lovest and smilest!
That circle which appeared to be engendered
Within Thee, as a reflected light,
When somewhat contemplated by mine eyes,
Within itself, of its own very color
Seemed to me painted with our effigy;
Wherefore my sight was all absorbed therein.
As the geometer who wholly applies himself
To measure the circle, and finds not the principle
He needs for that, the same was I at that new sight.
I wished to see how the image to the circle
Conformed itself, and how it there finds place;
But not were my own wings sufficient for that,
Had it not been that then my mind was smitten
By lightning, wherein came its wish.
Here power failed the lofty fantasy;
But already my desire and my will
Were turned, like a wheel that evenly is moved,
By the Love which moves the sun and the other stars.

Which I can't see The Other even remotely negating divine properties like this.

3. The Other "dwells" within the void.

This Other dwelt in a void beyond this one

This one I am not sure, but does it—I fear—implies that The Other is bound to a certain cosmological structure? If so then it would be an anti-feat. Tier-0's most clear thing is not being bound by hierarchical extensions, so unless the whole "dwelling" not being some very specific and metaphorically elaborated thing, it is anti-feat. However as I said the whole text, even without anti-feats, does not remotely suggests Tier-0.

Hecky2222 said:
The only thing misunderstood there is how Apophatic Theology works from OP

But that's literally the whole argu— wait…

Para_Pala_Zula · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
but if you use "TFO" as a separated character, then you cannot use Gan's feat to support TFO.

To be honest, I'm not defending anyone here and I'm neutral, but if a god is the creator of everything, then he must also be the creator of the abilities of the beings he created.

Hecky2222 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
so, what is Apophatism for you ?

Being indescribable + what you exactly posted from Logical Omnipotence

And let's go by your scans one by one

This Other was perhaps, the creator of IT, and the Turtle. A Force Beyond The Universe, A Power Beyond All Other Power The Author of all there was

This is not anywhere near to "Beyond definition"

This Other dwelt in a void beyond this one

Same goes with this one + what Sweetdao said

Where IT Existed As A Titanic, Glowing Core, Which Might Be No More Than The Smallest Mote In That Other's Mind.

This is also not Negative Theology.

Funny how you linked Negative Theology(Which is just one way to get Boundless being described as indescribable isn't also enough) but no scan refers to Negative Theology.

I basically disagree with everything there.

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

Para_Pala_Zula said:
To be honest, I'm not defending anyone here and I'm neutral, but if a god is the creator of everything, then he must also be the creator of the abilities of the beings he created.

Yep, but Gan was also described as "God" and "Creator".
The OP needs to prove:
1) that Gan and "The Final Other" are 2 different characters.
2) that "The Final Other" is beyond Gan.

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Hecky2222 said:
Being indescribable + what you exactly posted from Logical Omnipotence

And let's go by your scans one by one

This Other was perhaps, the creator of IT, and the Turtle. A Force Beyond The Universe, A Power Beyond All Other Power The Author of all there was

This is not anywhere near to "Beyond definition"

This Other dwelt in a void beyond this one

Same goes with this one + what Sweetdao said

Where IT Existed As A Titanic, Glowing Core, Which Might Be No More Than The Smallest Mote In That Other's Mind.

This is also not Negative Theology.

Funny how you linked Negative Theology(Which is just one way to get Boundless being described as indescribable isn't also enough) but no scan refers to Negative Theology.

I basically disagree with everything there.

All of the scans are not positive affirmation, there are Assumption regarding The Other. Beyond the description, it doesn't need to be clearly stated; one can seduce him. Maturin, considered omniscient, does not understand the true nature of The Other; he defines it as a creator. IT, which is nevertheless the ultimate limit of the cosmos, encompassing all things, is Terrified by the nature of the other, one makes assumptions about them. Thus, no positive statements are made about the Other. Therefore, the negation of the predicate (excluded middle) is considered negative if not positive.

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
Yep, but Gan was also described as "God" and "Creator".
The OP needs to prove:
1) that Gan and "The Final Other" are 2 different characters.
2) that "The Final Other" is beyond Gan.

Already did bruh, and by the way, Beerus is called God of creation, but Vermoud is beerus ?!

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Mr._East_Statement said:
Uhhhhh, sorry what, I am reading this annnnnnnndddddddddddd… that's it?

Alright, first off, it is already very much not Tier-0, even if we take everything as face value and believing every single quote you posted exactly implies what you said, it is just… not Tier-0. The argument is insufficient, and there is very little thing. The argument does not hold even by agreeing the entirety of it is, without a doubt, true.

Now, referring the actual problem, seven minutes is all I spare for this:

1. IT itself has no idea of what Other is:

IT just assume what the The Other could be. Clearly we cannot take his words as face value, specially when it is, self admittingly, a infinitesimal part of The Other without even having any understanding of it. It does not have the same absolution one describes the God.

2. The whole "Apophatic Theology":

There is nothing Apophatic about The Other, based on your scans. It neither goes to negate the divine properties of the God in a classical way nor fashioned. There isn't even much to speak about when you look at examples of Apophatic Theology, it isn't even remotely close.

An actual example of Apophatic Theology in the classical texts, on the other hand, is this

Which I can't see The Other even remotely negating divine properties like this.

I'll try another way, like, simply the "principe of creation" like the white light

Mr._East_Statement said:
3. The Other "dwells" within the void.

This one I am not sure, but does it—I fear—implies that The Other is bound to a certain cosmological structure? If so then it would be an anti-feat. Tier-0's most clear thing is not being bound by hierarchical extensions, so unless the whole "dwelling" not being some very specific and metaphorically elaborated thing, it is anti-feat. However as I said the whole text, even without anti-feats, does not remotely suggests Tier-0.

It is, but this void is an interpretation of IT, but later, Stephen king would say that beyond IT is the mind of The Other, which mean this void beyond is just the mind of the other.

Mr._East_Statement said:
But that's literally the whole argu— wait…

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
Already did bruh, and by the way, Beerus is called God of creation, but Vermoud is beerus ?!

Your arguments were very insufficient. Plus, there are many counter-arguments.

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

Btw, it is a CRT. Do you plan to count the votes?

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
Your arguments were very insufficient. Plus, there are many counter-arguments.

Waiting for it.

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
Btw, it is a CRT. Do you plan to count the votes?

For the T0 not, it was a proposition, for the distinction yes

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
Waiting for it.

Provided in the previous posts by other users and me.

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
Provided in the previous posts by other users and me.

Every of your argument get debunked btw. Every of your argument for Gan=TFO is "he's called god", lol

Para_Pala_Zula · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
Yep, but Gan was also described as "God" and "Creator".
The OP needs to prove:
1) that Gan and "The Final Other" are 2 different characters.
2) that "The Final Other" is beyond Gan.

I wasn't talking about Gan ≠ TFO. No, I was responding to this:

Jockey-1337 said:
but if you use "TFO" as a separated character, then you cannot use Gan's feat to support TFO.

And, I also have my doubts about whether TFO is 0.

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
Every of your argument get debunked btw. Every of your argument for Gan=TFO is "he's called god", lol

You haven't debunked anything.

Gan was called "God", but unlike "The Final Other", Gan has actual feats. So Gan > The Final Other, who is absolutely featless and simply exists in place X beyond place Y.

"The Final Other" is not a part of the Dark Tower novels. He exists in a side story.

Anyway, I think that "The Final Other" is just another name for Gan (or Gan's face).

Hecky2222 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
All of the scans are not positive affirmation, there are Assumption regarding The Other. Beyond the description, it doesn't need to be clearly stated; one can seduce him. Maturin, considered omniscient, does not understand the true nature of The Other; he defines it as a creator. IT, which is nevertheless the ultimate limit of the cosmos, encompassing all things, is Terrified by the nature of the other, one makes assumptions about them. Thus, no positive statements are made about the Other. Therefore, the negation of the predicate (excluded middle) is considered negative if not positive.

Sure where it was even stated? I am going by your scans and OP literally 5-4 times and nowhere it was stated

Sorry but arguments there are too weak to claim it is as Negative Theology let alone propose it as Tier 0

Para_Pala_Zula · Feb 8, 2026

I think this issue should wait a while as the distinctions between comics and novels are still a matter of debate.

(And this is important in Tier 0 because all the anti-feats for Gan exist in the comics, but also some of the achievements that are necessary are in the comics.)

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

It doesn't matter how you call the God - Gan or "the Final Other".

The Crimson King says hello:

"He looked at Stephen King’s unnaturally
twisted body beneath the left front wheel of the blue vehicle and thought Good!
with unthinking savagery. Good! If someone has to die here, let it be you!
To hell with Gan’s navel, to hell with the stories that come out of it, to hell
with the Tower, let it be you and not my boy!"
- The Dark Tower, book #7.

"And the Dark Tower? Stephen King’s version of
the Dark Tower? Or Gan’s version, or the Prim’s version? Lost forever,
all of them. And that sound you hear? Why, that must be the Crimson King,
laughing and laughing and laughing from somewhere deep in the Discordia. And
maybe Mordred the Spider-Boy, laughing along with him."
- The Dark Tower, book #7.

He is an opponent of the God.
Bye bye, tier 0.

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
"A power beyond everything" - Gan and the Prim have similar titles. Titles are titles, not feats.

Prove me that prim and Gan have similar titles. Btw, its not a title, its a feat. Never stated as a call

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
You haven't debunked anything.

Gan was called "God", but unlike "The Final Other", Gan has actual feats. So Gan > The Final Other, who is absolutely featless and simply exists in place X beyond place Y.

"The Final Other" is not a part of the Dark Tower novels. He exists in a side story.

Anyway, I think that "The Final Other" is just another name for Gan (or Gan's face).

Featless ≠ less strong. His feat > Gan, Gan exists in Dark Tower which is encompasses by Maturin which is encompasses by IT which is encompasses by The Other. It Doesn't exist in a side story. In dark tower, Deadlights are mentionned.

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Jockey-1337 said:
It doesn't matter how you call the God - Gan or "the Final Other".

The Crimson King says hello:

"He looked at Stephen King’s unnaturally
twisted body beneath the left front wheel of the blue vehicle and thought Good!
with unthinking savagery. Good! If someone has to die here, let it be you!
To hell with Gan’s navel, to hell with the stories that come out of it, to hell
with the Tower, let it be you and not my boy!"
- The Dark Tower, book #7.

"And the Dark Tower? Stephen King’s version of
the Dark Tower? Or Gan’s version, or the Prim’s version? Lost forever,
all of them. And that sound you hear? Why, that must be the Crimson King,
laughing and laughing and laughing from somewhere deep in the Discordia. And
maybe Mordred the Spider-Boy, laughing along with him."
- The Dark Tower, book #7.

He is an opponent of the God.
Bye bye, tier 0.

Crimson is opposed to DT. gan exist beyond Crimson, crimson is surpassed by Deadlight who are itself surpassed by TFO.

Oxonom2962 · Feb 8, 2026

Hecky2222 said:
Sure where it was even stated? I am going by your scans and OP literally 5-4 times and nowhere it was stated

Sorry but arguments there are too weak to claim it is as Negative Theology let alone propose it as Tier 0

Negative theology doesn't need necessarily negative theses. Apophatism accept Suppositions relative to his nature. The theology said ""We cannot affirm positively." These are suppositions; this does not contradict apophaticism and reinforces it.

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
Prove me that prim and Gan have similar titles. Btw, its not a title, its a feat. Never stated as a call

Easy - my previous comment has this info. Did you even read it?

Jockey-1337 said:
"He looked at Stephen King’s unnaturally
twisted body beneath the left front wheel of the blue vehicle and thought Good!
with unthinking savagery. Good! If someone has to die here, let it be you!
To hell with Gan’s navel, to hell with the stories that come out of it, to hell
with the Tower, let it be you and not my boy!"
- The Dark Tower, book #7.

^ All stories come from Gan's navel.

The Prim was also called so:

"To the Manni themselves, their ways of knowing (as they refer to their psychic senses) are gifts from the Prim and the Over (both names for the primordial creators of the universe)..."
- Source: The Dark Tower - Treachery 04 (of 06) (2009) (Digital)

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
Crimson is opposed to DT. gan exist beyond Crimson, crimson is surpassed by Deadlight who are itself surpassed by TFO.

Nonsense. Pure fanon. Did you even read my previous comment?

Jockey-1337 said:
"And the Dark Tower? Stephen King’s version of
the Dark Tower? Or Gan’s version, or the Prim’s version? Lost forever,
all of them. And that sound you hear? Why, that must be the Crimson King,
laughing and laughing and laughing from somewhere deep in the Discordia. And
maybe Mordred the Spider-Boy, laughing along with him."
- The Dark Tower, book #7.

The Crimson King is the ultimate threat to everything, including Stephen King himself.

Hecky2222 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
Negative theology doesn't need necessarily negative theses. Apophatism accept Suppositions relative to his nature. The theology said ""We cannot affirm positively." These are suppositions; this does not contradict apophaticism and reinforces it.

i dont want to explain you again and again being "Beyond" is not Indescribable

I dont want to recycle args again so lets wait staff instead

Jockey-1337 · Feb 8, 2026

Oxonom2962 said:
crimson is surpassed by Deadlight who are itself surpassed by TFO.

Pure fanon, again.

The Prim is the most primordial and fundamental thing in Stephen King's Universe. There is nothing beyond it:

Jockey-1337 said:
"Before the dawn of time and the formation of the multiverse, there was nothing but the magical Prim, that primordial soup of creation that stretched across all existence like a chaotic ocean. This was the case until Gan, the Spirit of the Dark Tower, emerged from the formless Prim and gave birth to the entire multiverse. As Gan slowly expanded, the Prim receded into nothingness. Soon all that remained of the Prim were the assorted demons stranded on Gan's earth who once called the Prim their home."
- Source: End-World Almanac 01 (2008)

"In the beginning there was only the Prim, the magical soup of creation. From the Prim arose Gan, the spirit of the Dark Tower, who spun the physical universe from his navel. When the magical tide of the Prim had receded from the earth, the Tower and the Beams remained, forming the framework of the time/space continuum. However, the receding Prim also left behind it a flotsam and jetsam of demons and elemental spirits."
- Source: The Dark Tower - Guide to Gilead (2009) (Digital)

"According to one legend, Eld actually predated the Great Old Ones and was the first king rule after the primordial Prim receded at the formation of the multiverse."
- Source: The Dark Tower - Gunslinger's Guidebook (2007) (Digital)

"In the beginning, there was nothing but the Prim, the primordial force of chaotic magic which ate away at the nothingness in the universe. Gan, the spirit of the Dark Tower, was the first to erupt from the Prim - and from the ever-growing Gan emerged Mid-World, which eventually broke apart into many parallel worlds spinning around the axle of Gan. As the demon-infested Prim began to recede, many lesser demons became stranded on the shores of the parallel worlds. One of these demons was known as Maerlyn."
- Source: The Dark Tower - Gunslinger's Guidebook (2007) (Digital)

"At the beginning of our era there were no worlds and no universes, only the seething, raw magic of the Prim. This phosphorescent soup of creation grew like a great, hungry, opalescent ameba. It ate the nothingness, and in the silence it murmured and whispered. First to erupt from the depths of the Prim was Gan, spirit of the Dark Tower. Tall and grey-black, he pushed into the sky, the windows that spiraled round his barrel flashing with an electric-blue light. From the center of Gan's forehead stared a great oriel window of twelve colors: crimson, orange, yellow, pink, dark blue, dark green, indigo, lime, azure, violet, brown and pearl grey. Though the window was beautiful, the circular pane at its center glowed black as the emptiness of todash space. As Gan stretched himself higher and higher, the waters of the Prim poured out of his navel. From its raw magic he spun Mid-World. As the Tower lengthened, so Mid-World divided into the multiple, parallel worlds. Gan set those sequin-like worlds spinning around the axle of his body and their movement created time. As time settled on its axis, the sun and moon arose from the Prim and built their own roads across the sky. Soon they were joined by Old Star and his wife, South Star. But while the gods took their places above the stage of the earth, other more terrible creatures bred in the deeper waters of the Prim. The most awful of the Prim's new children were the monstrous Great Ones. Some of these horrors had the bodies of squids, some of giant centipedes, still others of great, double-fanged spiders. All had clawed pincers and gaping mouths filled with shark teeth, and all of them were hungry. But as these Great Ones cozened, diddled, and increased, the Prim..."
- Source: The Dark Tower - The Gunslinger Born 02 (of 07) (2007) (Digital)

"In the beginning there was only the Prim, that primordial soup of creation. Out of the Prim arose Gan, animating spirit of the Dark Tower. From the magical waters dripping out of his navel, Gan spun the physical universe. But sensing that one world was not large enough to contain all possible manifestations of life and experience, he divided the universe into multiple, parallel realities, and set six magnetic Beams in place to maintain the alignment of time, space, size, and dimension in all of them. Like a gray-black jewel, Gan sat at the center of the worldweb, singing the rocks and mountains and trees into existence, singing the song of the White."
- Source: The Dark Tower - The Gunslinger Born 04 (of 07) (2007) (Digital)

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