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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Phsccarvalho said:
What do you mean, what happened? Are you talking about how they were caught off guard?

In Legends, from what I know, it's more explicit how Order 66 affected them. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I remember someone commenting on it. Was it something from the dark side subduing their senses?

In canon, nothing is explicit, but whenever the Jedi feel a great disturbance in the Force, they feel unwell/become confused.

It happened more explicitly with Yoda and Jaro. Something similar happened when Obi-Wan sensed the destruction of Alderaan.
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More specifically, Mace Windu outright confirmed their force abilities was diminished due to the influence of the Dark Side and Yoda also confirmed it is the Dark Side In Attack of the Clones
 
Also given the time gap between Attack of The Clone and Revenge of the Sith, it is also quite reasonable to assume the influence of the Dark Side was already growing stronger given the sheer amount of deaths and negative emotions throughout the galactic conflict that is the Clone Wars as the Sith was benefiting from the war in multiple ways regardless
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
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"This is an interesting one. For the record I view both verses as choose a tier, so... I'll be acting like they're comparable in most stats.

1: The Lion; Yeah agreed. Ignoring that 40K skillwank is PROBABLY better than the Grand Republic skillwank, the Lion sort of dogwalks him.
2/11: Lolnoinformation
3: Fulgrim; As it turns out when one of your main combat styles is trying to be a skillful swordsman who clashes blades and-- oh, right. Lightsabers in Legends are like 27 million degrees celcius. Fulgrim's main style works against him here.
4: Perturabo; Pancreas said it better than I could. Either Perturabo uses his brain, or he doesn't and dies. Considering his track record, the latter.
5: Jaghatai Khan; same as Fulgrim, except Khan has stamina like a Slayer. Which means Grievous gets mutual killed 99% of the time.
6: Russ; Pancreas said it pretty well. Just remember that Leman can also get pissed off, yell, and hax Grievous into the next century.
7: Rogal Dorn; TTS Dorn has a better shot against Grievous. Let me repeat that: A fan project played for comedy has a better shot against Grievous. Dorn really, REALLY is bad at direct combat among the primarchs. Like, Magnus-tier bad. In defense, Dorn stomps and Grievous never even makes planetfall. In a fight, he is SCREWED.
8: Kurze; yeah Kurze's Precognition is jedi-tier. Not exactly something to write home about. Pancreas said it well.
9: Sanguinius; So you take someone in the top 3 most skilled primarchs and put him against someone who's not even top 3 of his era in Star Wars. Grievous dies.
10: Ferrus Manus; He dies. Hard.
12: Angron; I actually think Pancreas is wrong, and that Angron dies. Yeah Angron is a monster, and yeah 95% of Grievous' tricks Don't work... but running at General Grievous with no plan is just going to get Gorefather chopped into bits and Angron not soon after. This is why Darth Maul never really could fight Grievous in Canon.
13: Guilliman; Okay, fair point... if Guilliman didn't have the death sword and LITERAL Deus Ex Machina on his side. The Emperor's Sword is the deciding factor. Guilliman is not as skilled as Grievous, but if a spark hits Grievous, he is dead as a dodo. But points still stand. This is an incon, not a Grievous dub.
14: Mortarion; So... entirely depends on if this is Daemon Mortarion or not. If it isn't, Pancreas' points stand. If it is, Mortarion existing has a good chance at gibbing Grievous once they get close because Nurgle's #2 that ain't a proper Daemon and whatnot. Might be a mutual kill, but Daemons respawn. Grievous does not.
15: Magnus; Seperating my extensive headcanon for Magnus with how he actually acts... he gets chopped to bits. Like, bottem 3 of the Primarchs skill-wise and he doesn’t use his main gimmick half the time. If he opens a portal to hell, or decides to mindfuck Grievous, he wins. If he doesn’t, he is dead. Because throwing balls at Grievous is a good way for Magnus to get Guilliman'd. As in Grievous runs in and hands his bright red ass to him in melee. Ahzek Ahriman would stomp Grievous, because he actually does wizard shit.
16: Horus: So... pre-heresy, Horus wins. During the Heresy, Horus stomps so hard lmfao. He's Magnus if Magnus didn't have more Character-Induced-Stupidity than an End Times character. He can and very well probably would just cast power word scrunch on Grievous if he sees tech he doesn't recognize, which would be all of it.
17: Lorgar Aurelion; Same as Magnus, doesn’t use his wizard shit in combat competently half the time and is chopped to bits.
18: Vulkan; Oh look the guy who'd probably resist the lightsaber. And is immortal. Grievous would die. Hard.
19: Corvus Corax can go invisible. Grievous stands no chance.
20: Alpharius Omegon: even if both are present they get stomped. They lost to a guy, hard I might add, that I already said Grievous would dogwalk. No hope. Nada. Zilch. Spies are bad in direct combat, and this isn't spy vs spy, it's a fight."
 
DaReaperMan said:
Guilliman; Okay, fair point... if Guilliman didn't have the death sword and LITERAL Deus Ex Machina on his side. The Emperor's Sword is the deciding factor. Guilliman is not as skilled as Grievous, but if a spark hits Grievous, he is dead as a dodo. But points still stand. This is an incon, not a Grievous dub.
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Technically it's because he was lucky, why else would he have all that blue?
 
DaReaperMan said:
3: Fulgrim; As it turns out when one of your main combat styles is trying to be a skillful swordsman who clashes blades and-- oh, right. Lightsabers in Legends are like 27 million degrees celcius. Fulgrim's main style works against him here
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Ngl, I was expecting him to get dogwalked by Fulgrim even for Legends as you need to cut off the limbs that General Grevious has for his lightsabers (Something that Obi Wan Kenobi did actually do in the Revenge of the Sith), but that is still been in melee combat range in that case
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
Ngl, I was expecting him to get dogwalked by Fulgrim even for Legends as you need to cut off the limbs that General Grevious has for his lightsabers (Something that Obi Wan Kenobi did actually did in the Revenge of the Sith), but that is still been in melee combat range in that case
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Max skillwank Fulgrim probably does, but for what normal people would accept? Nah Fulgrim is dead
 
DaReaperMan said:
Max skillwank Fulgrim probably does, but for what normal people would accept? Nah Fulgrim is dead
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Fair enough as I not that familiar with Warhammer 40K lore, but It is kinda nice to see how they can hold up there against General Grevious especially if we look into his fights in 2003 Star War the Clone Wars TV Show. That man was just a plain menace there compared to his later portrayals too.

 
HammerStrikes219 said:
Fair enough as I not that familiar with Warhammer 40K lore, but It is kinda nice to see how they can hold up there against General Grevious especially if we look into his fights in 2003 Star War the Clone Wars TV Show. That man was just a plain menace there compared to his later portrayals too.

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Max skillwank Fulgrim is like... imagine fighting infinity Jedi.

Cause normal mortals are zerged in the Realm of Chaos.
 
Just going off of their pages [not familiar with 40k lore], Canon vs Legends wouldn't make much difference. In a purely physical battle he has higher stats, but he's ****** by psyker abilities.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Speaking of Grievous, the passive/automatic defense thing upgraded Grievous's canon.

Because, well... he killed a ton of Jedi.

my goat
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Also Legends General Grevious get the same treatment given the specific force abilities presented throughout Legend IIRC.

Oh off topic, Obi Wan did survive getting flame throwered in the older Clone Wars TV comic (Legends)



Man literally tank a flamethrower without any issues (I don’t think it was stated it was a Force Barrier, but I wouldn’t rule it out either way given the amount of haxes in Legends for that matter)
 
DaReaperMan said:
Profiles are... weird. You can put primarch physicals anywhere from 9-B to 4-B and have a decent argument for it. 8-B is just where they're at for now.
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I’m aware I just don’t know much about their stats which is why I focused on the profiles
 
Epyriel said:
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Since you're back on the back of the page, could you help Hagane with calculations? Right now we have the MGLT and lightsaber issue, but I think that's secondary considering the AP issue.

Could you also send that Venator explosion thing to Hagane? Since you said it could be Tier 7.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Since you're back on the back of the page, could you help Hagane with calculations? Right now we have the MGLT and lightsaber issue, but I think that's secondary considering the AP issue.
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Yeah I’m running through a bunch myself right now. Currently focusing on a Vaylin feat and a Tulak Hord feat, and I also got to recalc the Kyp Durron feat to replace the non-official artwork initially used.

Might also want to give a try to see if I can refine the Rivi-Anu calc.

Phsccarvalho said:
Could you also send that Venator explosion thing to Hagane? Since you said it could be Tier 7.
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Don’t think that one is really calculable since it is pretty much impossible to know what portion of the explosion was actually focused down the hallway Anakin blocked (also since we don’t know how far along the internal explosions were getting at that point since so much of it is obscured off-screen).
 
Does the wiki have a minimum city size? For example, if we want to calculate "city destroyed" but have no idea what the city is like or how big it is, does the wiki provide any kind of reasonable estimate to use?
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
Does the wiki have a minimum city size? For example, if we want to calculate "city destroyed" but have no idea what the city is like or how big it is, does the wiki provide any kind of reasonable estimate to use?
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Not as far as I’m aware? It does mention not to assume city destroyed = city level, but that is about it.

Would be difficult to apply to SW as well since the futuristic conception of a city is likely different compared to cities on Earth.
 
Epyriel said:
Not as far as I’m aware? It does mention not to assume city destroyed = city level, but that is about it.

Would be difficult to apply to SW as well since the futuristic conception of a city is likely different compared to cities on Earth.
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We have the visual of the city being destroyed, but I don't think it's realistic on a pixel scale.
 
Furthermore, I don't think we have a timeframe. Ask me how it can be calculated. It would be good, especially if we find something that puts Maul > Momin.
 
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