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The story of the fight between Yogiri and Anos Voldigoad

Soon everyone will see what Yogiri will become at Level 0, only a little left.
 
I miss the old days, when I hadn't yet read that CRT..
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Disagree FRA
 
Azertyhuuh said:
_ Did you forget killing intent?

_ Don’t you know that Yogiri’s ability is not “death,” but placing an end to anything? Or did you not notice that? I think I already told you that he kills universes, abilities, and things that do not even have souls. The word “death” here does not mean killing in the usual sense, but imposing an end.

_ Yogiri is nothing more than an avatar of his true form: the End of Everything.

_ His true form is the End of Everything, and this means that his true form itself transcends everything, beyond nonexistence and existence. It cannot be described or understood; it is above all. When you say “the End of Everything” and that this is his form, then you do not understand anything. (The end of nonexistence, description, words, logic, and everything—this is his true form: the End of Everything. Thus, nothing remains that can be described or done, because everything has ended. That is his true form. It cannot be destroyed, logic cannot be altered, and contradictions cannot be created, because such names and things are themselves part of his end. They are his end; his form is the End of Everything. There cannot be logic or anything at all.)

_ Also, as I told you, killing intent changes everything. Even the Great Sage, who is stronger than Anos Voldigoad—where the entire world was merely a dream he observed and everything was just imagination, and even omniscience and omnipotence could do nothing against him—was powerless. As for Anos Voldigoad’s sword, its absolute limit is Low 1-A, and it cannot affect 1-A characters at all. Meanwhile, his true form is the End of Everything. On top of that, his avatar, Yogiri, is capable of killing even the relationship between reality and fiction, and killing characters on a higher reality level, due to his true form which exists everywhere. Wherever there is life, something, or existence, he is present there because he is the end. That is why his avatar can target any being, no matter what it is.

In short, Yogiri wins in all cases because of his true form. And don’t tell me about logic or contradictions—I already told you, his true form is the End of Everything, and those things are part of his end.
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Oh, you think the 'End' is absolute? That’s cute. You’re talking about 'The End' as if it’s a rule. But you forgot one thing: Anos doesn't care about your rules.

You claim Yogiri is the "End of Everything" and that logic, contradictions, and descriptions are part of his end. But Wankuzdonoa specifically destroys the reason that the end must be the end. Even if Yogiri is the "End of Logic," Anos’s eye destroys the logic that says "The End of Logic cannot be overwritten." To Anos, "The End" is just another reason, and all reason bows before him. If the "End" tries to end Anos, Anos destroys the reason that he was ended, creating a contradiction that results in his unilateral victory, also killing Intent? more like Killing Logic, you mentioned killing intent changes everything. In a Wanker’s world, killing intent is just a trigger for Anos to prove why he’s built different. Yogiri’s ability reacts to intent, but Wankuzdonoa exists in a state where "speed" and "reaction" are irrelevant because it destroys the reason that an effect must follow a cause. Yogiri tries to "end" the intent? Anos destroys the reason that the intent was ended. It’s a loop where Anos always has the last "Nuh-uh." You say Anos’s sword is "Low 1-A" and can't touch "1-A" characters. That’s peak wanker math. Wankuzdonoa reduces all dimensions and spaces to nothing. It doesn't matter if Yogiri's true form is in a higher reality, fiction, or a basement in another multiverse—dimensions mean nothing to Venuzdonoa. Anos doesn't need to reach your tier; he simply destroys the reason that tiers exist in the first place. He "ratioes" the hierarchy itself.
You say Yogiri is just an avatar of the "End." Great. Anos destroys the reason that the avatar is connected to the true form. He destroys the reason that the true form is untouchable. If the true form is "beyond nonexistence," Anos destroys the reason that being "beyond nonexistence" grants immunity.

You say Yogiri wins in all cases because he is the 'End.' I say Anos wins because he destroys the reason that 'The End' wins. You claim it's impossible to create a contradiction? Anos destroys the reason that it's impossible. You're bringing 'End of Everything' logic to a guy who specializes in killing 'Everything,' including the concept of 'The End' itself. Anos doesn't just survive the End; he destroys the reason the End even showed up to the fight."


TL; DR. In this battle of "I'm the End" vs "I destroy the Reason for the End," the Wanker always gives the win to the guy who can talk the most nonsense while holding a giant dark sword.
 
Dereck03 said:
Oh, you think the 'End' is absolute? That’s cute. You’re talking about 'The End' as if it’s a rule. But you forgot one thing: Anos doesn't care about your rules.

You claim Yogiri is the "End of Everything" and that logic, contradictions, and descriptions are part of his end. But Wankuzdonoa specifically destroys the reason that the end must be the end. Even if Yogiri is the "End of Logic," Anos’s eye destroys the logic that says "The End of Logic cannot be overwritten." To Anos, "The End" is just another reason, and all reason bows before him. If the "End" tries to end Anos, Anos destroys the reason that he was ended, creating a contradiction that results in his unilateral victory, also killing Intent? more like Killing Logic, you mentioned killing intent changes everything. In a Wanker’s world, killing intent is just a trigger for Anos to prove why he’s built different. Yogiri’s ability reacts to intent, but Wankuzdonoa exists in a state where "speed" and "reaction" are irrelevant because it destroys the reason that an effect must follow a cause. Yogiri tries to "end" the intent? Anos destroys the reason that the intent was ended. It’s a loop where Anos always has the last "Nuh-uh." You say Anos’s sword is "Low 1-A" and can't touch "1-A" characters. That’s peak wanker math. Wankuzdonoa reduces all dimensions and spaces to nothing. It doesn't matter if Yogiri's true form is in a higher reality, fiction, or a basement in another multiverse—dimensions mean nothing to Venuzdonoa. Anos doesn't need to reach your tier; he simply destroys the reason that tiers exist in the first place. He "ratioes" the hierarchy itself.
You say Yogiri is just an avatar of the "End." Great. Anos destroys the reason that the avatar is connected to the true form. He destroys the reason that the true form is untouchable. If the true form is "beyond nonexistence," Anos destroys the reason that being "beyond nonexistence" grants immunity.

You say Yogiri wins in all cases because he is the 'End.' I say Anos wins because he destroys the reason that 'The End' wins. You claim it's impossible to create a contradiction? Anos destroys the reason that it's impossible. You're bringing 'End of Everything' logic to a guy who specializes in killing 'Everything,' including the concept of 'The End' itself. Anos doesn't just survive the End; he destroys the reason the End even showed up to the fight."


TL; DR. In this battle of "I'm the End" vs "I destroy the Reason for the End," the Wanker always gives the win to the guy who can talk the most nonsense while holding a giant dark sword.
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1. Yogiri Takatou: The End is Not a "Reason"
The core flaw in the Anos argument is treating Yogiri's power as a "law" or a "reason" that can be broken. In the Instant Death mythos, Yogiri is not a god of death, nor is he a cosmic law. He is the mathematical point of the end.
Logic vs. Fact: Anos's Venuzdonoa destroys the "reason" or "logic" behind things. However, Yogiri precedes logic. If there is a beginning and an end to a story, Yogiri is the literal back cover of the book. You cannot destroy the "reason" for the end because the end is not a mechanism; it is the finality of all things, including the concept of destruction itself.
The Ultimate Passive: Anos relies on acting—swinging a sword or using an eye. Yogiri’s power is an automatic response from a higher-dimensional entity (the Alpha and Omega). The moment Anos forms the intent to destroy the "reason" of the End, he is already dead. You cannot outplay a character who defines the very conclusion of your attempt before it manifests.

2. Why Martial Peak is Irrelevant
While Yang Kai becomes incredibly powerful within the context of Martial Peak, the scale of this fight makes him a bystander.
Dimensionality: Martial Peak deals with high-tier cultivation and world-creation, but it remains bound by the concepts of space, time, and energy.
Conceptual Gap: Yogiri and Anos operate on a "Meta-Narrative" level. Yang Kai is a master of his multiverse, but he still exists within a framework that has "Logic" (which Anos breaks) and an "End" (which Yogiri is). He simply doesn't have the conceptual kit to interact with beings that treat existence as a suggestion.

3. Alien X: The Transcendental Observer
If Anos is the Rulebreaker and Yogiri is the Conclusion, then Alien X (at his peak/composite interpretation) represents the Canvas.
Beyond the Fight: The argument for Alien X being "beyond all" stems from his nature as a Celestialsapien. They don't just exist in the multiverse; they are responsible for its art style, its voice actors, and its fundamental laws.
The Narrative Shield: While Yogiri can end "everything," Alien X exists in a state where he can recreate the "everything" that was ended, or simply decide that the battle never took place. By existing in the Forge of Creation—a realm outside the totality of the space-time continuum—Alien X views the struggle between "Reason" and "The End" as a debate between two ink drawings on a page he is currently holding.
 
Reiner04 said:
1. Yogiri Takatou: The End is Not a "Reason"
The core flaw in the Anos argument is treating Yogiri's power as a "law" or a "reason" that can be broken. In the Instant Death mythos, Yogiri is not a god of death, nor is he a cosmic law. He is the mathematical point of the end.
Logic vs. Fact: Anos's Venuzdonoa destroys the "reason" or "logic" behind things. However, Yogiri precedes logic. If there is a beginning and an end to a story, Yogiri is the literal back cover of the book. You cannot destroy the "reason" for the end because the end is not a mechanism; it is the finality of all things, including the concept of destruction itself.
The Ultimate Passive: Anos relies on acting—swinging a sword or using an eye. Yogiri’s power is an automatic response from a higher-dimensional entity (the Alpha and Omega). The moment Anos forms the intent to destroy the "reason" of the End, he is already dead. You cannot outplay a character who defines the very conclusion of your attempt before it manifests.

2. Why Martial Peak is Irrelevant
While Yang Kai becomes incredibly powerful within the context of Martial Peak, the scale of this fight makes him a bystander.
Dimensionality: Martial Peak deals with high-tier cultivation and world-creation, but it remains bound by the concepts of space, time, and energy.
Conceptual Gap: Yogiri and Anos operate on a "Meta-Narrative" level. Yang Kai is a master of his multiverse, but he still exists within a framework that has "Logic" (which Anos breaks) and an "End" (which Yogiri is). He simply doesn't have the conceptual kit to interact with beings that treat existence as a suggestion.

3. Alien X: The Transcendental Observer
If Anos is the Rulebreaker and Yogiri is the Conclusion, then Alien X (at his peak/composite interpretation) represents the Canvas.
Beyond the Fight: The argument for Alien X being "beyond all" stems from his nature as a Celestialsapien. They don't just exist in the multiverse; they are responsible for its art style, its voice actors, and its fundamental laws.
The Narrative Shield: While Yogiri can end "everything," Alien X exists in a state where he can recreate the "everything" that was ended, or simply decide that the battle never took place. By existing in the Forge of Creation—a realm outside the totality of the space-time continuum—Alien X views the struggle between "Reason" and "The End" as a debate between two ink drawings on a page he is currently holding.
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Bro wont stop hating until Martial Fraud loses its wank
 
Reiner04 said:
1. Yogiri Takatou: The End is Not a "Reason"
The core flaw in the Anos argument is treating Yogiri's power as a "law" or a "reason" that can be broken. In the Instant Death mythos, Yogiri is not a god of death, nor is he a cosmic law. He is the mathematical point of the end.
Logic vs. Fact: Anos's Venuzdonoa destroys the "reason" or "logic" behind things. However, Yogiri precedes logic. If there is a beginning and an end to a story, Yogiri is the literal back cover of the book. You cannot destroy the "reason" for the end because the end is not a mechanism; it is the finality of all things, including the concept of destruction itself.
The Ultimate Passive: Anos relies on acting—swinging a sword or using an eye. Yogiri’s power is an automatic response from a higher-dimensional entity (the Alpha and Omega). The moment Anos forms the intent to destroy the "reason" of the End, he is already dead. You cannot outplay a character who defines the very conclusion of your attempt before it manifests.

2. Why Martial Peak is Irrelevant
While Yang Kai becomes incredibly powerful within the context of Martial Peak, the scale of this fight makes him a bystander.
Dimensionality: Martial Peak deals with high-tier cultivation and world-creation, but it remains bound by the concepts of space, time, and energy.
Conceptual Gap: Yogiri and Anos operate on a "Meta-Narrative" level. Yang Kai is a master of his multiverse, but he still exists within a framework that has "Logic" (which Anos breaks) and an "End" (which Yogiri is). He simply doesn't have the conceptual kit to interact with beings that treat existence as a suggestion.

3. Alien X: The Transcendental Observer
If Anos is the Rulebreaker and Yogiri is the Conclusion, then Alien X (at his peak/composite interpretation) represents the Canvas.
Beyond the Fight: The argument for Alien X being "beyond all" stems from his nature as a Celestialsapien. They don't just exist in the multiverse; they are responsible for its art style, its voice actors, and its fundamental laws.
The Narrative Shield: While Yogiri can end "everything," Alien X exists in a state where he can recreate the "everything" that was ended, or simply decide that the battle never took place. By existing in the Forge of Creation—a realm outside the totality of the space-time continuum—Alien X views the struggle between "Reason" and "The End" as a debate between two ink drawings on a page he is currently holding.
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@BreezeHM exposed the wank.
 
Dereck03 said:
Oh, you think the 'End' is absolute? That’s cute. You’re talking about 'The End' as if it’s a rule. But you forgot one thing: Anos doesn't care about your rules.

You claim Yogiri is the "End of Everything" and that logic, contradictions, and descriptions are part of his end. But Wankuzdonoa specifically destroys the reason that the end must be the end. Even if Yogiri is the "End of Logic," Anos’s eye destroys the logic that says "The End of Logic cannot be overwritten." To Anos, "The End" is just another reason, and all reason bows before him. If the "End" tries to end Anos, Anos destroys the reason that he was ended, creating a contradiction that results in his unilateral victory, also killing Intent? more like Killing Logic, you mentioned killing intent changes everything. In a Wanker’s world, killing intent is just a trigger for Anos to prove why he’s built different. Yogiri’s ability reacts to intent, but Wankuzdonoa exists in a state where "speed" and "reaction" are irrelevant because it destroys the reason that an effect must follow a cause. Yogiri tries to "end" the intent? Anos destroys the reason that the intent was ended. It’s a loop where Anos always has the last "Nuh-uh." You say Anos’s sword is "Low 1-A" and can't touch "1-A" characters. That’s peak wanker math. Wankuzdonoa reduces all dimensions and spaces to nothing. It doesn't matter if Yogiri's true form is in a higher reality, fiction, or a basement in another multiverse—dimensions mean nothing to Venuzdonoa. Anos doesn't need to reach your tier; he simply destroys the reason that tiers exist in the first place. He "ratioes" the hierarchy itself.
You say Yogiri is just an avatar of the "End." Great. Anos destroys the reason that the avatar is connected to the true form. He destroys the reason that the true form is untouchable. If the true form is "beyond nonexistence," Anos destroys the reason that being "beyond nonexistence" grants immunity.

You say Yogiri wins in all cases because he is the 'End.' I say Anos wins because he destroys the reason that 'The End' wins. You claim it's impossible to create a contradiction? Anos destroys the reason that it's impossible. You're bringing 'End of Everything' logic to a guy who specializes in killing 'Everything,' including the concept of 'The End' itself. Anos doesn't just survive the End; he destroys the reason the End even showed up to the fight."


TL; DR. In this battle of "I'm the End" vs "I destroy the Reason for the End," the Wanker always gives the win to the guy who can talk the most nonsense while holding a giant dark sword.
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The end of everything is his true form. This is his true form, where nothing remains, no matter what. There is no Anos, no logic, nothing at all exists because it’s completely negated. It’s the total negation of everything. The end of everything is his true form, so how can you say it changes logic or anything like that? It doesn’t exist. Logic and its concepts don’t exist because they are part of his end. I don’t know if you understand the meaning of the end of everything or not, because you’re still talking about logic, Anos, and everything, when all of that has ended, and this is his true form, the end of everything, where nothing remains.

Even leaving aside his true form, his avatar alone is enough to defeat Anos. Simply put, Yogiri can kill logic itself, and that ends whatever Anos Voldigod can do. He can also destroy the reason the sword manipulates logic, the reason it exists as a sword, the reason it is destructive, and the reason it affects things—basically, he can eliminate all causes. There is literally no chance. Yogiri can kill Anos’s speed, even the reason he exists as a man. So when I tell you he can kill everything, you need to understand that. And when I say his true form is the end of everything, you shouldn’t say it “changes logic,” because his true form is already the end of logic and all of that.

Nothing called logic, words, the concept of logic, or concepts in general remains. Even Anos is part of his end, because his true form is the end of everything. Honestly, I don’t know if you grasp what I mean.

It’s like I’m telling you that nothing exists in nothingness, and you argue that maybe water exists in nothingness. That’s the kind of reasoning I’m talking about. I’m telling you it’s the end of everything, and you come and talk about logic, as if it could change something—when the very concept of logic is part of his end. Nothing called logic or anything else exists anymore.
Yogiri's true form is the end of everything. A manifestation of nothingness that surpasses all else, to which everything returns after its end/death, and there is nothing beyond it—not even fate or the plot itself.
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Reiner04 said:
1. Yogiri Takatou: The End is Not a "Reason"
The core flaw in the Anos argument is treating Yogiri's power as a "law" or a "reason" that can be broken. In the Instant Death mythos, Yogiri is not a god of death, nor is he a cosmic law. He is the mathematical point of the end.
Logic vs. Fact: Anos's Venuzdonoa destroys the "reason" or "logic" behind things. However, Yogiri precedes logic. If there is a beginning and an end to a story, Yogiri is the literal back cover of the book. You cannot destroy the "reason" for the end because the end is not a mechanism; it is the finality of all things, including the concept of destruction itself.
The Ultimate Passive: Anos relies on acting—swinging a sword or using an eye. Yogiri’s power is an automatic response from a higher-dimensional entity (the Alpha and Omega). The moment Anos forms the intent to destroy the "reason" of the End, he is already dead. You cannot outplay a character who defines the very conclusion of your attempt before it manifests.

2. Why Martial Peak is Irrelevant
While Yang Kai becomes incredibly powerful within the context of Martial Peak, the scale of this fight makes him a bystander.
Dimensionality: Martial Peak deals with high-tier cultivation and world-creation, but it remains bound by the concepts of space, time, and energy.
Conceptual Gap: Yogiri and Anos operate on a "Meta-Narrative" level. Yang Kai is a master of his multiverse, but he still exists within a framework that has "Logic" (which Anos breaks) and an "End" (which Yogiri is). He simply doesn't have the conceptual kit to interact with beings that treat existence as a suggestion.

3. Alien X: The Transcendental Observer
If Anos is the Rulebreaker and Yogiri is the Conclusion, then Alien X (at his peak/composite interpretation) represents the Canvas.
Beyond the Fight: The argument for Alien X being "beyond all" stems from his nature as a Celestialsapien. They don't just exist in the multiverse; they are responsible for its art style, its voice actors, and its fundamental laws.
The Narrative Shield: While Yogiri can end "everything," Alien X exists in a state where he can recreate the "everything" that was ended, or simply decide that the battle never took place. By existing in the Forge of Creation—a realm outside the totality of the space-time continuum—Alien X views the struggle between "Reason" and "The End" as a debate between two ink drawings on a page he is currently holding.
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Ooo solid choice — lasagna is elite comfort food 🍝 Let’s do a classic, proper, cheesy one.


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🧀 Classic Beef Lasagna

Ingredients

🔴 Meat sauce

500 g ground beef

1 onion (finely chopped)

2–3 cloves garlic (minced)

1 can (400 g) chopped tomatoes

2–3 tbsp tomato paste

1 tsp sugar (optional, balances acidity)

1 tsp dried oregano

1 tsp dried basil (or Italian seasoning)

Salt & black pepper

2 tbsp olive oil


⚪ Béchamel (white sauce)

50 g butter

50 g flour

600 ml milk (warm is best)

Salt

Pinch of nutmeg (optional but 🔥)


🧀 Cheese & pasta

9–12 lasagna sheets

200–250 g shredded mozzarella

50–80 g grated parmesan



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🔥 Step 1 — Meat sauce

1. Heat olive oil in a pan over medium heat.


2. Add onion → cook 3–4 min until soft.


3. Add garlic → cook 30 sec.


4. Add ground beef → cook until browned.


5. Stir in tomatoes, tomato paste, sugar, herbs, salt & pepper.


6. Simmer 15–20 min (thick = good).




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🥛 Step 2 — Béchamel

1. Melt butter in a pot on medium heat.


2. Add flour, whisk constantly for 1 min (don’t brown it).


3. Slowly pour in milk while whisking (no lumps allowed).


4. Cook until thick and creamy (5–7 min).


5. Add salt + nutmeg.



Texture should be like a thick cream sauce.


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🏗️ Step 3 — Layering (important part)

In a baking dish:

1. Thin layer of meat sauce


2. Lasagna sheets


3. Meat sauce


4. Béchamel


5. Mozzarella



Repeat layers 2–3 times.

Top layer = béchamel + mozzarella + parmesan.


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🔥 Step 4 — Bake

Cover with foil (not touching cheese)

Bake 180°C for 25 min

Remove foil → bake another 15 min until golden



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⏳ Step 5 — WAIT

Let it rest 10–15 minutes before cutting.
If you skip this, it becomes lava soup. I don’t make the rules.


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💡 Pro upgrades

Add splash of red wine to meat sauce

Mix ricotta into layers for extra creaminess

Add spinach or mushrooms



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Want a chicken, vegetarian, or extra cheesy chaos version next?
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Sure let's also discuss his love life, and how he handles "Kevin"...
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Kai Green, Ester, Julie Yamamoto, Eunice, Attea, Looma, Elena Validus and jeniffer Nocturne. Bro got more ******* than everyone (-me) in this thread combined (0) 😔😌
 
3Pencil said:
WHO ARE YOU TO DISAGREE WITH AZERTY?
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Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something
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Holy peak
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something

Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree?
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something
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Not bruh hitting me with with 1980s 🙏😭
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Modulo Yuji is stated to be equal to Dabura. Dabura is stronger than Maru who can manipulate Logic so Yuji just punches through anything Anos has. Yuji is a hybrid and can't die. So Yogurt death hax won't work on him. Let's not talk about scaling since you won't believe how high I can get that
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NOt reading allat
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Modulo Yuji is stated to be equal to Dabura. Dabura is stronger than Maru who can manipulate Logic so Yuji just punches through anything Anos has. Yuji is a hybrid and can't die. So Yogurt death hax won't work on him. Let's not talk about scaling since you won't believe how high I can get that
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Nice try. But they are on the street so Midoriya victims.

In fact all of fiction is Midoriya's victims. If you really deep it, a street is simply a path, and anything can constitute a path, even the air or lack of it, so existing itself means you are on some sort of path, a "street" to somewhere, thus when Deku is involved, everyone is a street tier.

If you exist, you can be California Smash'd.
 
So here’s why Goku solos Anos and Yogiri, according to the most scientifically rigorous field known to humankind: Dragon Ball Logic™.

1. Goku: Power Is Not a Concept, It’s a Lifestyle

The fatal misunderstanding in all Anos and Yogiri arguments is assuming Goku participates in conceptual discourse.

He does not.

Anos destroys “reason.” Yogiri embodies “the end.” Goku operates on something far older and far more dangerous: training arc causality. This is not logic. This is ritual.

Logic vs. Muscle Memory: Yogiri is the endpoint of all narratives. Impressive. Unfortunately, Dragon Ball treats “the end” as a temporary condition. Goku has canonically died, exited the narrative, trained in the afterlife, and returned stronger. When the End shows up, Goku doesn’t argue with it — he shadowboxes around it until it becomes a plot device.

Existence as a Suggestion: Yogiri ends things automatically. Goku does things manually. This is crucial. Automatic abilities in Dragon Ball are famously unreliable. If an ability requires no effort, it is immediately suspect. Goku’s effort alone destabilizes metaphysics. The universe starts buffering when he breathes too hard.

2. Anos Voldigoad: Reasonable Powers in an Unreasonable Franchise

Anos’s entire kit is built around negating cause, logic, and outcome. He wins even when he loses. A terrifying idea.

Dragon Ball response: “Okay, but what if I just get stronger anyway?”

Reason vs. Escalation: Anos destroys the reason Goku exists. Dragon Ball responds by inventing a new reason mid-fight. This is not a counter. This is malpractice against philosophy. If Anos erases the cause, Dragon Ball retcons the effect and calls it character development.

Passive Supremacy vs. Active Screaming: Anos is supreme by default. Goku becomes supreme by yelling. Shōnen cosmology respects the second one more. Always has. Always will. If Anos negates Goku’s power source, Goku simply discovers a deeper power source beneath that one. The stack never ends. It’s turtles, but the turtles are Saiyans.

3. Yogiri Takatou: The End Meets Episode 131

Yogiri is not death, not destruction, not logic. He is the period at the end of the sentence.

Dragon Ball is a run-on paragraph.

Finality vs. Serialization: Yogiri represents absolute narrative closure. Dragon Ball is incapable of closure. This is an ontological mismatch. The moment Yogiri ends Goku, the franchise violates causality by continuing anyway. Not because it should — because it must.

The Ultimate Passive vs. The Ultimate Comeback: Yogiri’s ability activates before intent. Dragon Ball activates after credits. Goku has returned from states that were explicitly described as irreversible. The End does not scare a setting where death is a loading screen with kung fu.

4. Meta-Conclusion: Goku Is a Structural Anomaly

Anos breaks rules. Yogiri defines endings. Goku breaks genres.

He is not stronger in the normal sense. He is not more conceptual. He is simply from a universe where infinity is step one, death is optional, and contradiction is a training partner.

Anos asks, “Can you exist without reason?” Yogiri asks, “Can you exist without an end?” Dragon Ball answers, “Watch me.”

So yes — Goku solos. Not because he wins the argument… …but because the argument collapses around him, confused, exhausted, and somehow five transformations behind.
 
Shar122 said:
So here’s why Goku solos Anos and Yogiri, according to the most scientifically rigorous field known to humankind: Dragon Ball Logic™.

1. Goku: Power Is Not a Concept, It’s a Lifestyle

The fatal misunderstanding in all Anos and Yogiri arguments is assuming Goku participates in conceptual discourse.

He does not.

Anos destroys “reason.” Yogiri embodies “the end.” Goku operates on something far older and far more dangerous: training arc causality. This is not logic. This is ritual.

Logic vs. Muscle Memory: Yogiri is the endpoint of all narratives. Impressive. Unfortunately, Dragon Ball treats “the end” as a temporary condition. Goku has canonically died, exited the narrative, trained in the afterlife, and returned stronger. When the End shows up, Goku doesn’t argue with it — he shadowboxes around it until it becomes a plot device.

Existence as a Suggestion: Yogiri ends things automatically. Goku does things manually. This is crucial. Automatic abilities in Dragon Ball are famously unreliable. If an ability requires no effort, it is immediately suspect. Goku’s effort alone destabilizes metaphysics. The universe starts buffering when he breathes too hard.

2. Anos Voldigoad: Reasonable Powers in an Unreasonable Franchise

Anos’s entire kit is built around negating cause, logic, and outcome. He wins even when he loses. A terrifying idea.

Dragon Ball response: “Okay, but what if I just get stronger anyway?”

Reason vs. Escalation: Anos destroys the reason Goku exists. Dragon Ball responds by inventing a new reason mid-fight. This is not a counter. This is malpractice against philosophy. If Anos erases the cause, Dragon Ball retcons the effect and calls it character development.

Passive Supremacy vs. Active Screaming: Anos is supreme by default. Goku becomes supreme by yelling. Shōnen cosmology respects the second one more. Always has. Always will. If Anos negates Goku’s power source, Goku simply discovers a deeper power source beneath that one. The stack never ends. It’s turtles, but the turtles are Saiyans.

3. Yogiri Takatou: The End Meets Episode 131

Yogiri is not death, not destruction, not logic. He is the period at the end of the sentence.

Dragon Ball is a run-on paragraph.

Finality vs. Serialization: Yogiri represents absolute narrative closure. Dragon Ball is incapable of closure. This is an ontological mismatch. The moment Yogiri ends Goku, the franchise violates causality by continuing anyway. Not because it should — because it must.

The Ultimate Passive vs. The Ultimate Comeback: Yogiri’s ability activates before intent. Dragon Ball activates after credits. Goku has returned from states that were explicitly described as irreversible. The End does not scare a setting where death is a loading screen with kung fu.

4. Meta-Conclusion: Goku Is a Structural Anomaly

Anos breaks rules. Yogiri defines endings. Goku breaks genres.

He is not stronger in the normal sense. He is not more conceptual. He is simply from a universe where infinity is step one, death is optional, and contradiction is a training partner.

Anos asks, “Can you exist without reason?” Yogiri asks, “Can you exist without an end?” Dragon Ball answers, “Watch me.”

So yes — Goku solos. Not because he wins the argument… …but because the argument collapses around him, confused, exhausted, and somehow five transformations behind.
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it wasn't akira toriyama who created goku if anything it was the opposite

goku is a higher dimensional existence who wanted to influence our world so he brought the concept of db to akira toriyama in his dreams to create db in our world all accroding to aizen sama goku sama
 
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