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[Edutyn]

Tenna​

Large Size justification goes from: Is about 3 times taller than Kris --> Is over 6 meter tall
Another scan to Electricity Manipulation: Whem answering wrong, Tenna can directly attack opponents with lightning

Heat Manipulation: Can change the temperrature of the room
Range: Hundreds of Meters with his attacks, Kilometers for Teleportation (About 1.4 Km)

Zappers​

Large Size (Type 0, They are at least twice as high as Kris)
Range (Should be comparable to Tenna): Hundreds of Meters with his attacks, Kilometers for Teleportation (About 1.4 Km)

Mike​

They should gain the same abilities from their own kind

Small Mike: Gets all Pippins abilities
Cat "Pluey" Mike: Gets all ShadowGuys abilities
Cowboy Mike: Gets all Zappers abilities

Range (Only for Cowboy mike): Hundreds of Meters with his attacks, Kilometers for Teleportation (About 1.4 Km)

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[Monsters_fight]

Agreed

 

[LittleGuy99]

Agree!

Mike​

They should gain the same abilities from their own kind

Small Mike: Gets all Pippins abilities
Cat "Pluey" Mike: Gets all ShadowGuys abilities
Cowboy Mike: Gets all Zappers abilities

Range (Only for Cowboy mike): Hundreds of Meters with his attacks, Kilometers for Teleportation (About 1.4 Km)

Right now I'm preparing a CRT to improve Mike's profile (Nothing that affects this CRT, I just found it curious)

 

[Imaginym]

Tenna​

Large Size justification goes from: Is about 3 times taller than Kris --> Is over 6 meter tall
Another scan to Electricity Manipulation: Whem answering wrong, Tenna can directly attack opponents with lightning

I approve.

Heat Manipulation: Can change the temperrature of the room

The feat is a bit weird. On one hand, it seems to be a variant of what La Nino & El Nina (Apologies if I got those names wrong.) do, reinforced by the Tenna noses on the images of visuals from their moves.
On the other hand, there's no commentary like in their fight that indicates temperature changes, & while the temperatures are shown, they're hot on the left & cold on the right, & constantly fluctuating. & the SOUL is just bouncing a projectile around with an umbrella.
I suppose it's possible it's valid...? How Tenna copied their temperature changing technique, IDK, but it's clearly a bit volatile, if it's valid at all, & not just mimicing the aesthetics, as, beyond the background evoking what La Nino & El Nina did, there's not much indication of temperature change. It also doesn't go as intense in changes as they can, I think.

If this is valid, it also or additionally qualifies for Temperature Manipulation.

Temperature Manipulation

Temperature Manipulation (also known as Heat Manipulation) is the ability to manipulate the thermal energy of oneself or the environment. While other abilities, such as Fire Manipulation and Ice Manipulation, may affect the temperature of one's surroundings, this ability refers to having direct...

vsbattles.fandom.com

IDK if it's Ice Manipulation or such, though.

Range: Hundreds of Meters with his attacks, Kilometers for Teleportation (About 1.4 Km)

In the calculation, it says:
"Basically, during one of Tenna's shows he teleport us into one of the stages. Also, when we escape from Tenna we are teleported."

When was this again, if you'll pardon my asking? Because that should probably be the justification.
Reason being is while it is the only way to escape Tenna's Bonus Round, the act that is done so is an Act available because of the presence of the Zapper Darkner, OffButton.

• You hit the OFF button! [OffButton]

In theory, it's plausible something based on a TV might have an off button (& how it was hit while The Delta Warriors were trapped in capsules.), but I don't know what on Tenna's design suggests he has one, & this act always shows up for Zappers, & is only available when a Zapper is present.

So this needs a justification for his teleportation to cite that we can be certain isn't the Zapper's OffButton Act.

Zappers​

Large Size (Type 0, They are at least twice as high as Kris)

Dubious?
In the video linked, the top of Kris's head comes up to the Zapper's chest, & a lot of its height is its head/neck.
Maybe my skepticism is misplaced, but I'd like a second opinion or some pixel scaling done regarding this claim if you'll pardon me, please.

Range (Should be comparable to Tenna): Hundreds of Meters with his attacks, Kilometers for Teleportation (About 1.4 Km)

Should be comparable.... I guess??
Often we scale bosses higher than their underlings. While it's true Tenna does only order them around via contracts, & the Zappers do seem to be the "muscle" & "big guys" of it, why would we not consider Tenna quite superior to any one of the several, if not more Zappers he commands? & while Zappers do do teleportation, it's via an Act used on them, with an exception.
As the Deltarune Wiki says:

This Zapper must leave for the party to proceed after the Island Board, which can be done by either pressing his buttons twice, which causes him to leave, or ignoring him, which causes him to initiate battle. The first time his buttons are pressed, he sneezes, which turns off the player's screen and teleports the party to the red carpet hall of the Green Room.



1:48:10
Press his buttons.
(You played his chest like the bongos.)
HEY, HANDS OFF THE MOICHANDISE!!
A---choo!!!
TV turning off visual effect.
The Delta Warriors are in the red carpet hall area of the Green Room.

....It's remarkably difficult to find footage of someone choosing "Press his buttons" a second time, but AFAIK, this is the resulting text:
(You played his chest like the bongos.)
Alright, alright, I give, I give! I'm ticklish!
Just be outta there quick, got it?

Though, there are the cases of Zapper's independently teleporting characters like in the going nowhere case, but it is notable it can seemingly be activated by buttons on their exterior, & they are prone to ticklishness & sneezing as a result of "pressing" these buttons. (Kirs apparently does so by playing them "like the bongos", which may contribute to it.)

Mike​

They should gain the same abilities from their own kind

Small Mike: Gets all Pippins abilities
Cat "Pluey" Mike: Gets all ShadowGuys abilities
Cowboy Mike: Gets all Zappers abilities

I approve of this.

Range (Only for Cowboy mike): Hundreds of Meters with his attacks, Kilometers for Teleportation (About 1.4 Km)

As this is based on Cowboy Mike being a Zapper, the same concerns as above apply.

Good luck.
Hope this helps!

 

[AyOgUyS]

Good luck.
Hope this helps!

Best thread mod ever anyway I have same thoughts as Imaginym

 

[Edutyn]

The feat is a bit weird. On one hand, it seems to be a variant of what La Nino & El Nina (Apologies if I got those names wrong.) do, reinforced by the Tenna noses on the images of visuals from their moves.
On the other hand, there's no commentary like in their fight that indicates temperature changes, & while the temperatures are shown, they're hot on the left & cold on the right, & constantly fluctuating. & the SOUL is just bouncing a projectile around with an umbrella.
I suppose it's possible it's valid...? How Tenna copied their temperature changing technique, IDK, but it's clearly a bit volatile, if it's valid at all, & not just mimicing the aesthetics, as, beyond the background evoking what La Nino & El Nina did, there's not much indication of temperature change. It also doesn't go as intense in changes as they can, I think.

If this is valid, it also or additionally qualifies for Temperature Manipulation.

Temperature Manipulation

Temperature Manipulation (also known as Heat Manipulation) is the ability to manipulate the thermal energy of oneself or the environment. While other abilities, such as Fire Manipulation and Ice Manipulation, may affect the temperature of one's surroundings, this ability refers to having direct...

vsbattles.fandom.com

IDK if it's Ice Manipulation or such, though.

In the game files (?), the cloud and moon ara labed as Tenna's Lanino and Tenna's Elnina. Also the wiki says this

• BOUNCE THE BALL: Playing a regular red SOUL holding an umbrella, a cloud and moon fall from the sky and can be deflected with the umbrella. Successful bounces decrease a counter shown below the battle box, with the minigame ending once it hits 0. If either ball hits the SOUL, a miss is recorded. To the side of the battle box there is a weather report akin to those given by Lanino and Elnina.

In the calculation, it says:
"Basically, during one of Tenna's shows he teleport us into one of the stages. Also, when we escape from Tenna we are teleported."

When was this again, if you'll pardon my asking? Because that should probably be the justification.
Reason being is while it is the only way to escape Tenna's Bonus Round, the act that is done so is an Act available because of the presence of the Zapper Darkner, OffButton.

• You hit the OFF button! [OffButton]

In theory, it's plausible something based on a TV might have an off button (& how it was hit while The Delta Warriors were trapped in capsules.), but I don't know what on Tenna's design suggests he has one, & this act always shows up for Zappers, & is only available when a Zapper is present.

So this needs a justification for his teleportation to cite that we can be certain isn't the Zapper's OffButton Act.

Something like this? (It's the justification for his Tp): Can teleport himself and others to locations and into minigames. In the last attack he teleports us from program/set to program/set, whis are about over 1.4km in distance. And maybe this (although I'm not sure about this)

Dubious?
In the video linked, the top of Kris's head comes up to the Zapper's chest, & a lot of its height is its head/neck.
Maybe my skepticism is misplaced, but I'd like a second opinion or some pixel scaling done regarding this claim if you'll pardon me, please.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Edutyn/Zappers_height

Should be comparable.... I guess??

So a possible rating would be acceptable?

Good luck.
Hope this helps!

Thanks!

 

[Edutyn]

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Just a quick question: should Tenna have Resistance to TP/BFR? Since he was the only one who wasn't affected by the Zapper's TP.

 

[Edutyn]

Bump

 

[Imaginym]

In the game files (?), the cloud and moon ara labed as Tenna's Lanino and Tenna's Elnina. Also the wiki says this

• BOUNCE THE BALL: Playing a regular red SOUL holding an umbrella, a cloud and moon fall from the sky and can be deflected with the umbrella. Successful bounces decrease a counter shown below the battle box, with the minigame ending once it hits 0. If either ball hits the SOUL, a miss is recorded. To the side of the battle box there is a weather report akin to those given by Lanino and Elnina.

It being Tenna's version of the technique is evident, but the weather report given by them when he uses does not vary to the extremes Lanino & Elnina achieve after their breakup, & there's no statements indicating the effectiveness or presence of the temperature changes like Tenna gives during the Weather Duo's battle.

Using internal names can be reasonable sometimes, as supportive evidence, IIRC, & as said, that it is his version is clear from the noses.

Does Tenna have temperature manipulation? Yes.
But there's little reason to believe his temperature manipulation is on the scale of what they achieve, as the temperatures are not shown to go to the extremes that Lanino & Elnina achieve, considering how comparatively small the fluctuations the weather reports in his version of the technique(s) are.

Something like this? (It's the justification for his Tp): Can teleport himself and others to locations and into minigames. In the last attack he teleports us from program/set to program/set, whis are about over 1.4km in distance. And maybe this (although I'm not sure about this)

Yeah, those should work better.
Though, the stated distance is a little concerning. I'm okay with its use, but with such justifications, but since the calculation seems to have calculated the range for that of a Zapper's OffButton Act yet called it as Tenna's teleportation range, estimations of the range of the teleports Tenna does & maybe also a re-labelling of the calc may be worth doing.
Apologies for any bother.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Edutyn/Zappers_height

Thank you very much for your prudent & dilligent work regarding this matter.
Unforuntately, I am not a Calculation Group Member, so I cannot give official approval of this that would officially deem it usable. This is not to say I disapprove of it. I eagerly look forward to the evaluation of your calculation.

So a possible rating would be acceptable?

If other Knowledgeable Members are fine with it, I'm fine with it, I suppose.

Thanks!

Glad you appreciate it!
Good luck!

Just a quick question: should Tenna have Resistance to TP/BFR? Since he was the only one who wasn't affected by the Zapper's TP.

I might call that a possibly, since the Delta Warriors may have used it unconventionally; Normally, it's used to end a battle instantly. I'm not sure if I've ever used it for its use in regular encounters, but it can be.
They used it to teleport themselves away from the encounter, but is its standard use to teleport away the enemies, or the party? & in Tenna's scene, the Zapper disappears, too. Is that a consequence of using the Zapper's act?
Might need more input for this matter.

 

[Edutyn]

Yeah, those should work better.
Though, the stated distance is a little concerning. I'm okay with its use, but with such justifications, but since the calculation seems to have calculated the range for that of a Zapper's OffButton Act yet called it as Tenna's teleportation range, estimations of the range of the teleports Tenna does & maybe also a re-labelling of the calc may be worth doing.
Apologies for any bother.

No, the calc calculates the distance from where the fight with Tenna takes place to the furthest set Tenna tp'ed us. I can change the justification in the calc and ask
Psychomaster35 to evaluate it again.

Glad you appreciate it!
Good luck!

Thanks!

 

[Edutyn]

Bump

 

[Imaginym]

No, the calc calculates the distance from where the fight with Tenna takes place to the furthest set Tenna tp'ed us. I can change the justification in the calc and ask
Psychomaster35 to evaluate it again.

If the calc is for a teleportation feat Tenna does himself rather than the Zapper's OffButton move, then, so long as the justification reflects that, I'm okay with its use.

Thanks!

Apologies for taking so long to get back to this.

 

[Edutyn]

If the calc is for a teleportation feat Tenna does himself rather than the Zapper's OffButton move, then, so long as the justification reflects that, I'm okay with its use.

Change the justification

Apologies for taking so long to get back to this.

Don't worry! Thanks for your input

 

[Edutyn]

bump

 

[God_of_perversion]

Agree

 

[Edutyn]

bump

 

[Qurbonboev]

Agree

 

[Edutyn]

Bump

 

[Edutyn]

bump

 

[Edutyn]

Bump

 

[Edutyn]

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[Edutyn]

bump

 

[SomebodyData]

In agreement with Imaginym's comments on the thread, except for the possible Resistance to TP / BFR, I just don't think there is enough evidence to really warrant adding it, even as a possibility.

 

[Edutyn]

In agreement with Imaginym's comments on the thread, except for the possible Resistance to TP / BFR, I just don't think there is enough evidence to really warrant adding it, even as a possibility.

Thanks

 

[Edutyn]

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