Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Eden_Warlock99]

Actually, though, what’s the plan with the speed scaling, because having their weapons be hundreds of thousands of times slower than their actual combat speed is dumb.

They should both be within the same speed range, yeah

 

[DaReaperMan]

Too many CRTs at the moment.

When there is an open slot, I assume you're just gonna downgrade Helluva character speeds?

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Actually, though, what’s the plan with the speed scaling, because having their weapons be hundreds of thousands of times slower than their actual combat speed is dumb.

Just say "higher with weapons", there. Guns in fiction scale to whatever they have to so they can work anyway. Breadboys are genuinely planetary with mftl minimum, and they LOVE guns, JJK on the other hand makes guns dangerous to low tiers. So it's a case by verse basis

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

When there is an open slot, I assume you're just gonna downgrade Helluva character speeds?

Why the Helluva characters specifically lol

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I wanted to know your opinion on Vox having at last MHS+ lightning, since he meets the requirements, and in episode 4 he manipulates and transforms into cloud-to-ground lightning.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I wanted to know your opinion on Vox having at last MHS+ lightning, since he meets the requirements, and in episode 4 he manipulates and transforms into cloud-to-ground lightning.

1: he's FTL, who cares

2: the **** are you talking about, Jesse, cause I never saw CtG lightning.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

1: he's FTL, who cares

Yes, it is FTL, with supersonic locomotion speed.

2: the **** are you talking about, Jesse, cause I never saw CtG lightning.

He arrives to fight Alastor like a lightning bolt from above, also doing this against Alastor. On both occasions, an electric field is shown being created with hair standing on end, which is created by static electricity in the air, between the clouds (negative charge) and the ground (positive charge). And finally, when he makes the contract with Alastor to become his pet, we literally see lightning bolts coming out of the clouds and striking the ground as the contract is sealed.

 

[DarkLock92]

He arrives to fight Alastor like a lightning bolt from above, also doing this against Alastor. On both occasions, an electric field is shown being created with hair standing on end, which is created by static electricity in the air, between the clouds (negative charge) and the ground (positive charge). And finally, when he makes the contract with Alastor to become his pet, we literally see lightning bolts coming out of the clouds and striking the ground as the contract is sealed.

You might be cooking

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

You might be cooking

Well, that would also increase Alastor and Vox's heat resistance, since Alastor withstood two Vox lightning attacks in mid-air, and Vox is pretty self-explanatory. But it's just an idea.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, that would also increase Alastor and Vox's heat resistance, since Alastor withstood two Vox lightning attacks in mid-air, and Vox is pretty self-explanatory. But it's just an idea.

But then Adam wouldn't be the Stwongest and Bestest!

I'm iffy about this to begin with, but sure. Just expect Shion to hitch a ***** when it doesn't scale to Adam in any way.

 

[ShionAH]

"waah waah Shion you are so cool I love you but I can't be you so I will just talk about you everwhere because you are so cool waah"

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He arrives to fight Alastor like a lightning bolt from above, also doing this against Alastor. On both occasions, an electric field is shown being created with hair standing on end, which is created by static electricity in the air, between the clouds (negative charge) and the ground (positive charge). And finally, when he makes the contract with Alastor to become his pet, we literally see lightning bolts coming out of the clouds and striking the ground as the contract is sealed.

He came from V Tower, what Val says makes that pretty clear

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

He came from V Tower, what Val says makes that pretty clear

Yes and no, Vox can teleport using electricity, so he could have simply disappeared from V Tower and appeared in front of Alastor via a natural lightning bolt, especially since the effects and direction are consistent.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Yes and no, Vox can teleport using electricity, so he could have simply disappeared from V Tower and appeared in front of Alastor via a natural lightning bolt, especially since the effects and direction are consistent.

Doesn't he always becoming the electricity rather than teleporting to where electricity is?
The electric field can also be explained without natural lightning, legit why can't Vox himself be the negative charge instead of the clouds?

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Doesn't he always becoming the electricity rather than teleporting to where electricity is?
The electric field can also be explained without natural lightning, legit why can't Vox himself be the negative charge instead of the clouds?

Good point.

Edit - But vox would be electricity itself, so that would be quite strange.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Explicit CtG Lightnings

Lightning Feats

Many fictional characters make use of attacks or equipment that produces lightning or electricity. As such it useful to know how to quantify lightning feats. Most electricity in fiction is not real lightning. Often it is supernatural in nature, and is possibly not even electricity. Therefore...

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Regarding the requirements, it meets all of them except for generating ozone or electrolysis.

 

[ShionAH]

I am planning a LS revision, any LS feats do yall think that we might have missed?

Anyways so Emily could save Alastor from Shockwavs teeth by pulling him out which scales her to his LS Class M. Since even Base Vox could restrain her I assume a good chunk of the profiles will scale to this.

Another thing I have is that Adam took no damage or showcased any pain from Alastor's tentacle squeezing his body which according to our wiki should have just popped him like a balloon due to the LS difference especially with the acceptance of Alastor's magic downscaling from Adam, meaning Adam would scale to Class G.

 

[DarkLock92]

I am planning a LS revision, any LS feats do yall think that we might have missed?

Anyways so Emily could save Alastor from Shockwavs teeth by pulling him out which scales her to his LS Class M. Since even Base Vox could restrain her I assume a good chunk of the profiles will scale to this.

Another thing I have is that Adam took no damage or showcased any pain from Alastor's tentacle squeezing his body which according to our wiki should have just popped him like a balloon due to the LS difference especially with the acceptance of Alastor's magic downscaling from Adam, meaning Adam would scale to Class G.

There's Charlie lifting debris off of Sinners in the season 2 finale but it's probably not that big of a feat

 

[ShionAH]

There's Charlie lifting debris off of Sinners in the season 2 finale but it's probably not that big of a feat

I was more so asking for things above Class M yknow?

Anyways what you think about my scaling?

 

[DarkLock92]

I was more so asking for things above Class M yknow?

I really don't have anything else honestly

Anyways what you think about my scaling?

Emily's should be good, I have no clue about Adam's though

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Anyways so Emily could save Alastor from Shockwavs teeth by pulling him out which scales her to his LS Class M. Since even Base Vox could restrain her I assume a good chunk of the profiles will scale to this.

Alastor's arm bled from that tho, so it's not like she overpowered Shok.wav's LS.
Think of it like pulling a piece of paper from under an Elephant's foot, it's going to rip but you'll be able to pull it out.

Also creates the circular scaling that is Emily > Shok.wav > Alastor > Vox > Emily

 

[ShionAH]

Emily > Shok.wav > Alastor > Vox > Emily

Weakened Alastor is not stronger than Vox lowkey, especially when he couldn't escape from his chokehold (one hand btw)

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Weakened Alastor is not stronger than Vox lowkey, especially when he couldn't escape from his chokehold (one hand btw)

???

 

[ShionAH]

???

Offguard, he also used Tentacles I think which are Class G

 

[ShionAH]

Vox used his wires to hold Emily, so it literally can't be a circular scaling unless I forgot a scene of Al escaping from the wires wrapping him

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Offguard, he also used Tentacles I think which are Class G

Not Weakned Al, no.

Yeah he didn't escape from Vox's chokehold, in a fight he was trying to lose (And unlike getting hurt, which is a bit more dubious, this legit just requires him to just, not move)
Plus, in their rematch Alastor literally rips off every wire from Vox's Demon Form.

 

[DarkLock92]

Vox used his wires to hold Emily, so it literally can't be a circular scaling unless I forgot a scene of Al escaping from the wires wrapping him

 

[ShionAH]

Not Weakned Al, no.

Alright? So this just means Weakened Al's tentacles are > Vox > Emily > Himself.

Ripping apart wires doesn't mean anything LS wise, thats about durability and AP.

What? Nothing is trying to restrain him, Vox aint even attacking yet tf

 

[Alexander]

I think it is clear that Alastor just got his arm ripped from Shock.wav jaws instead of Emily overpowering Shock.wav

 

[ShionAH]

Rn he has a feat for not letting Al escape, Emily saving him from the grasp would still be LS scaling no?

Anyways what are the opinions on the second thing then

 

[Alexander]

Rn he has a feat for not letting Al escape, Emily saving him from the grasp would still be LS scaling no?

Anyways what are the opinions on the second thing then

If she saved him without damage, sure, but Alastor was clearly bleeding and then he healed from that

 

[ShionAH]

If she saved him without damage, sure, but Alastor was clearly bleeding and then he healed from that

He alr got his arm bitten through, there is no way he wouldn't be bleeding either way

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It'd be one thing if she did this, but Shok.wav's jaw doesn't even move lol

 

[Alexander]

It'd be one thing if she did this, but Shok.wav's jaw doesn't even move lol

correct

 

[OmenISTIRED]

I get that it wouldn't really change anything given the current Tier 5 Scaling(Though it will likely get nuked soon) but how has no one made any Calc's for all that happened during Alastor and Vox's fight in the finale.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I get that it wouldn't really change anything given the current Tier 5 Scaling(Though it will likely get nuked soon) but how has no one made any Calc's for all that happened during Alastor and Vox's fight in the finale.

For Hellaverse, doing anything in a timely manner is like pulling teeth... from a Tyrannosaurus Rex. While it is both awake and alive.

 

[OmenISTIRED]

For Hellaverse, doing anything in a timely manner is like pulling teeth... from a Tyrannosaurus Rex. While it is both awake and alive.

I know.
Lets just hope same holds true for the inevitable nuking of Tier 5

Although honestly i dont really agree with Tier 5 but its really funny watching the nerds over on powerscaling sub-reddits complain about Alastor now soloing all of modern shounen.

 

[Alexander]

is the tier 5 scaling getting nuked yes, no, or is just a possibility?

 

[OmenISTIRED]

is the tier 5 scaling getting nuked yes, no, or is just a possibility?

I dont think so, But i wouldn't know i just got this acount set up today and for as much ive been stalking this thread things still happen without me knowing why.

Though i believe someone already tried.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I know.
Lets just hope same holds true for the inevitable nuking of Tier 5

It already is

Although honestly i dont really agree with Tier 5 but its really funny watching the nerds over on powerscaling sub-reddits complain about Alastor now soloing all of modern shounen.

Believe me, it's hilarious that Husk soloes all of Demon Slayer, JJK, and Chainsawman at the same time for ten bucks and a bottle of cheep beer