Helluva Fast Downgrades (Hellaverse Tier 5 Removal)

[ShionAH]

You worship tier 5 Adam, yes, but if mods disagree with tier 5, and they very well might, we need a back-up.

Yeah but yall are being WAY to comfortable which may make staff think tier 5 debunk is accepted by supporters.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Remember, Eden: Even Armorchompy does not use falling and bullets as anti-feats and has told you as much. Can't use those for yer CRT.

He used falling like 13 times in the Mario blog lol, he was just under the impression that this was a consistently Tier 7+ verse when they have a SINGULAR 9-A feat.

And there's like a TON more when you take Helluva Boss into account.

 

[ShionAH]

Another thread devolving into Tier 9 Verse by @Eden_Warlock99 🫩

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Dragon Ball has a in-universe excuse for that, though.

You understand the point brotacho, I can say it for any character that scales high lol

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

All of Gravity Fall takes place in Oregon, would Dipper saying that they are 7 billion humans on Earth means that's the numbers of people in Oregon? NO, OBVIOUSLY NOT.

What a terrible comparison!! Gravity Falls is precisely about the town of Gravity Falls, showcasing its strangeness and developing the universe from there. While the Hellverse is about HELL, which includes those born in hell in Helluva Boss, and the Sinners in Hazbin Hotel, and curiously, neither of them mentions or shows any city of sinners.

And the whole "Why didn't Vox contact Sinners outside Pentagram City" turns null when you remember SATAN AND THE GOETIA are also in the Pride Ring, and apparently had no reaction to Heaven going to war with Hell lol

The seven deadly sins and Goetia don't matter here, and that doesn't change the fact that Vox's main argument against Heaven is Might of Lilith, and that the population of sinners is larger than that of Heaven, so it's obvious that the entire population of sinners matters to him; he literally gets 100% approval at the end of season 2.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Just now realizing this was in reference to Alastor VS Adam, so my mistake on that.

Anyway this doesn't even matter anyway since this is not currently accepted on the wiki, we do not scale Alastor to Adam right now, at least to my knowledge. But in any case no, Alastor absolutely did not harm Adam, if you think having him stroke his chin after receiving zero damage counts as "harming", I really don't know what to tell you. It's also not at all unheard of for much stronger people to call people much weaker than them "tough shit", that does not make them on par with each other.

Oh right, screaming “AH”, going couple of steps back and stroking chin is an average reaction of an unharmed person.

Also Alastor scales to him in speed right now, the only thing left is AP and I’ll probably do that today given that everyone ignores 2-3 threads per verse rule anyways.

I will answer your giant response when I’ll get to PC.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Dragon Ball has a in-universe excuse for that, though.

This justification is used for a specific attack, and would not apply to uncontrollable characters like Broly in Movie.

 

[Homie890]

All of Gravity Fall takes place in Oregon

Isn't it Compton

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Oh right, screaming “AH”, going couple of steps back and stroking chin is an average reaction of an unharmed person.

Also Alastor scales to him in speed right now, the only thing left is AP and I’ll probably do that today given that everyone ignores 2-3 threads per verse rule anyways.

I will answer your giant response when I’ll get to PC.

Don't do that!! I've been debating this all day...

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What a terrible comparison!! Gravity Falls is precisely about the town of Gravity Falls, showcasing its strangeness and developing the universe from there. While the Hellverse is about HELL, which includes those born in hell in Helluva Boss, and the Sinners in Hazbin Hotel, and curiously, neither of them mentions or shows any city of sinners.

Ok. Steven Universe, it all happens in Beach City, that's where we see all the humans. That doesn't mean 7 billion people live in Beach City lol

Also how do you explain Pentagram City being the first circle of Hell (Again the smallest circle) and being High 6-A in size, is the Pride Ring 4-C in size lol

Which funnily enough would still end up contradicting the Heaven cloud feat cause, Heaven is actually, bigger than Hell!

The seven deadly sins and Goetia don't matter here, and that doesn't change the fact that Vox's main argument against Heaven is Might of Lilith, and that the population of sinners is larger than that of Heaven, so it's obvious that the entire population of sinners matters to him; he literally gets 100% approval at the end of season 2.

Vox is the same guy who though he ruled Hell by "Once We Get Up There", saying he has tunnel vision would be an understatement lol

Also I'd love hear you explain how the guy who owns less than a million souls thinks there's no one else he can get from 1/4th of the Pentagram lol

 

[Arkenis]

Completely agree.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah but yall are being WAY to comfortable which may make staff think tier 5 debunk is accepted by supporters.

I've explicitly voiced my disagreement. I'm just willing to make sure things go smoother.

He used falling like 13 times in the Mario blog lol, he was just under the impression that this was a consistently Tier 7+ verse when they have a SINGULAR 9-A feat.

And an 8-A, which would be scaled to "at most" from Vox if a tier 9 downgrade went through.

And before you start the long, needless rant on Alastor, it is incredibly out of character for him to let one guy go when everyone else who's fought the man at full power either beat him or still scream in his broadcasts. Either Vox put up enough of a fight to get away, or... well, actually, there is no other option while still being in-character for what we know of the deer.

And there's like a TON more when you take Helluva Boss into account.

Helluva Boss, AKA people whose best feats against Sinners is being terrified by one that just arrived(Loopty) and throwing one with seemingly no powers out a ******' window? Wow, I'm suuuure those guys can be used to downgrade literally anything about Overlords.

 

[ShionAH]

who owns less than million souls

where did you get this, didn’t they say together Overlords have MILLIONS of souls which wouldn’t be enough to track how many Val would have as as a stronger overlord.

Millions > Million

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

And an 8-A, which would be scaled to "at most" from Vox if a tier 9 downgrade went through.

And before you start the long, needless rant on Alastor, it is incredibly out of character for him to let one guy go when everyone else who's fought the man at full power either beat him or still scream in his broadcasts. Either Vox put up enough of a fight to get away, or... well, actually, there is no other option while still being in-character for what we know of the.

@TheOrangeGuy09 get em.

Oh and the second thing is REALLY funny when you remember he did that 20 times with Pentious lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

@TheOrangeGuy09 get em.

Oh and the second thing is REALLY funny when you remember he did that 20 times with Pentious lol

You mean a non-overlord he had zero history with before?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

You mean a non-overlord he had zero history with before?

Having history with someone definitely means you'd murder them with no hesitation, unlike if it was a rando, that's against whom you would hold back against, obviously!

Like genuinely any way you could maybe scale Vox to Alastor was thrown in the bin after Al outright says he never took Vox seriously before the 100% fight lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

Having history with someone definitely means you'd murder them with no hesitation, unlike if it was a rando, that's against whom you would hold back against, obviously!

Like genuinely any way you could maybe scale Vox to Alastor was thrown in the bin after Al outright says he never took Vox seriously before the 100% fight lol

And he never took any other Overlord seriously either, yet they're screaming and shit, and Vox is still very much himself. Need I remind you that 8-A feat was something used on Pentious?

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

Ok. Steven Universe, it all happens in Beach City, that's where we see all the humans. That doesn't mean 7 billion people live in Beach City lol

Also how do you explain Pentagram City being the first circle of Hell (Again the smallest circle) and being High 6-A in size, is the Pride Ring 4-C in size lol

Which funnily enough would still end up contradicting the Heaven cloud feat cause, Heaven is actually, bigger than Hell!

Vox is the same guy who though he ruled Hell by "Once We Get Up There", saying he has tunnel vision would be an understatement lol

Also I'd love hear you explain how the guy who owns less than a million souls thinks there's no one else he can get from 1/4th of the Pentagram lol

My God, the comparisons just keep getting worse... Steven Universe isn't about Beach City, but about Gems and Humans, showing their various marks on Earth in several locations besides Beach City, the moon, and even other planetary colonies. And regardless of any comparison, what I'm saying is precisely that it would be important for these two seasons of Hazbin Hotel to show how events affect sinners, and how sinners affect events. Literally, the two seasons are about Heaven vs. Hell, Victors/Seraphim/Archangels vs. Sinners.

As far as I know, nothing about other cities of sinners in the Ring of Pride (the only one with sinners, and the most populous) was mentioned or shown in the series.

The stars in Heaven are the same as those in the Ring of Pride; it's literally shown throughout the series that the Pentagram City is bigger than Heaven, and you're telling me that Heaven is not only bigger than the Pentagram City, not only bigger than the Ring of Pride, but bigger than all of Hell?

Vivziepop, when declaring Heaven as a planet/universe, literally explained that it is reachable from Pentagram City; Heaven is literally below the red pentagram; Vox literally shoots at Heaven from Pentagram City.

Velvette is genuinely worried about Vox because he doesn't have the approval of all the sinners yet, so Vox talks to Alastor, who instigates him to force Charlie to declare him the strongest and support him, so he can get 100% approval and become the strongest sinner...

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

I hate how, when the series finally starts showing concrete things, a part of the fandom ignores it in favor of old conceptions.

 

[OiEuSouDuvi]

My phone is dying of battery, see you later!!

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I've explicitly voiced my disagreement. I'm just willing to make sure things go smoother.

And an 8-A, which would be scaled to "at most" from Vox if a tier 9 downgrade went through.

And before you start the long, needless rant on Alastor, it is incredibly out of character for him to let one guy go when everyone else who's fought the man at full power either beat him or still scream in his broadcasts. Either Vox put up enough of a fight to get away, or... well, actually, there is no other option while still being in-character for what we know of the deer.

It can be that Rosie just restricted him from killing others. By the same logic, Zestial scales, Carmilla scales (he didn't kill her despite her disrespecting him), Husk scales (he decided to play casino instead of killing him), Niffty scales (same as Husk).

Heck, it's 2026, we legit saw weakened Alastor low-mid FP Vox, and we still think base Vox scales to FP Alastor? This entire thread is one hell of a ragebait to me.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

And he never took any other Overlord seriously either, yet they're screaming and shit, and Vox is still very much himself. Need I remind you that 8-A feat was something used on Pentious?

Alastor was irritated. The reason why cast isn't currently 8-B is because the feat was done by angry Alastor which would imply Pentious = FP Alastor.

Also, I just realized that this goes against @StoneKillerz12 too. Angry Alastor did 8-A explosion, casual Alastor did Low 7-C explosion... no this can't be, range of an explosion does not reflect its AP... impossible...

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The stars in Heaven are the same as those in the Ring of Pride; it's literally shown throughout the series that the Pentagram City is bigger than Heaven, and you're telling me that Heaven is not only bigger than the Pentagram City, not only bigger than the Ring of Pride, but bigger than all of Hell?

Go argue with Vivziepop lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

It can be that Rosie just restricted him from killing others. By the same logic, Zestial scales,

Half-retired

Carmilla scales (he didn't kill her despite her disrespecting him)

it just means hes not THAT Vain, plus he probably respects her if he's willing to show up to her meetings.

Husk scales (he decided to play casino instead of killing him),

The minute Husk acts up he threatens him with death so...

Niffty scales (same as Husk).

We have no clue when Niffty got her soul napped

Heck, it's 2026, we legit saw weakened Alastor low-mid weakened Vox, and we still think Vox scales to Alastor? This entire thread is one hell of a ragebait to me.

Weakened Vox, hmmmm?

But jokes aside, I see the scaling chain as FP Alastor>100%Vox>W!Alastor>Base Vox. It's a major difference but Vox is an Overlord Alastor fought in his prime he didn't murk and has been in direct combat with.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

Oh right, screaming “AH”, going couple of steps back and stroking chin is an average reaction of an unharmed person.

It isn't the reaction of someone who's getting seriously harmed, either. And I have no clue how you can interpret the way Adam screamed "AH" as him screaming in pain and not annoyance.

Also Alastor scales to him in speed right now, the only thing left is AP and I’ll probably do that today given that everyone ignores 2-3 threads per verse rule anyways.

I don't have any issue with scaling him to Adam in terms of speed.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It isn't the reaction of someone who's getting seriously harmed, either. And I have no clue how you can interpret the way Adam screamed "AH" as him screaming in pain and not annoyance.

...which is enough for scaling. At least, enough for Al's magic at FP to scale. Not doing much damage is 100% still scaling, it's just not comparable it's downscaling.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

Alastor was irritated. The reason why cast isn't currently 8-B is because the feat was done by angry Alastor which would imply Pentious = FP Alastor.

I have no issue with this.

Also, I just realized that this goes against @StoneKillerz12 too. Angry Alastor did 8-A explosion, casual Alastor did Low 7-C explosion... no this can't be, range of an explosion does not reflect its AP... impossible...

Remind me how we estimated those explosions are 8-A and Low 7-C again? Was it due to, perhaps, their size? Also I'm not seeing any Low 7-C feat for Alastor on the verse's page, so it's not accepted regardless meaning there's no point in bringing it up.

 

[StoneKillerz12]

...which is enough for scaling.

Downscaling, maybe. But when Alastor blatantly gets one-shotted and left severely wounded for at least several weeks when Adam actually gets serious, I really cannot understand the rationale behind fully scaling Alastor to Adam especially when Season 2 repeatedly makes it clear that Alastor wasn't really a match for Adam in the first place. You might as well start scaling Daredevil and Kingpin to bloodlusted Spider-Man under this line of thinking.

At least, enough for Al's magic at FP to scale. Not doing much damage is 100% still scaling, it's just not comparable it's downscaling.

Again, I can get behind downscaling with his magic specifically. This is another issue that I'll be bringing up in a future CRT for characters actually scaling to the MoL at all, BTW.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Not gonna continue addressing the pointless discourse around the whole "too lazy to respond" stuff but instead the actual relevant stuff.

I'll take that as concession.

Nope, not what "overheating" means in this case. It means the machine is overheating and is clearly about to explode.

Noice, now prove that this means its range/DC reflects its AP.

Now this is indisputably a strawman and you know it. This is not a natural explosion, this is an attack set off by an extra-dimensional nightmare dream demon, not a machine overheating and exploding.

Your argument is that explosions cannot possibly be less than AP. But if you claim it's specifically due to overheating... I still don't see the point why would it make DC = AP? Because you said so?

Hell, as I said above, we have 8-A angry Alastor vs. Low 7-C casual Alastor explosion.

No, it objectively does when we are talking about actual explosions in which their AP and DC are congruent with each other 100% of the time.

Noice, but do you have proof for that?

Show me one example of Nukes releasing billions of times more energy than the destruction they cause and I'll start hearing you out.

Nukes are real life working on physics. MoL has supernatural entity as its source. This is blatant false equivalence.

The MoL's intention was to affect all of Heaven at once with its power. If that power did not correlate to the range it affects, a big ass super laser which spans the distance and covers the planet wouldn't be needed, just a means of getting up to Heaven, of which there would be far more convenient ways than building a super laser for.

By your logic, it destroyed no buildings whatsoever, only gate. So Vox was planning to attack them with something that doesn't even destroy buildings or any surrounding...

Google definitions can absolutely be wrong, and under this definition strawmen would rarely ever happen in any debate with anyone who isn't a pathological liar and manipulator. Misrepresenting arguments, whether you meant to or not, is still a strawman, and if you don't wanna call it that then cool, it's still a logical fallacy.

So basically "my words >>>> actual definitions", noice.

Then why are we using real life physics formulae to calculate these feats? If what physics predict doesn't matter because this is fiction, then why should we be using those very principles when calculating feats in the first place?

Fair enough, since none of fiction follows Einstein's relativity or basic principle that you must have light in order to see (for FTL characters) or sound to speak in space, we must nuke all calculations!

I'm pretty positive that Vivziepop was not taking into account the kinetic energy of the Might of Lilith when she wrote that scene into the story.

I'll tell ya more: none of the authors intend any KE feat. I'll go further: none of the authors intend ANY feat to be calced to precisely any value any of our fan calculations yield.

Why are these physics only invalid to bring up when it doesn't support your argument? You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Not really the case here.

Stop saying "I debunked" as if it is objective, just say "I responded to this argument".

Or what?

No, the "half of a city" part is crucial to what I was arguing, because if that part was left out, I made it clear that there would be no inherent contradiction. But that part is mentioned unfortunately, ergo there is indeed a contradiction on the explosion's yield.

Brotacho, city, half a city, one million cities do not compare in any way to 5-A, which is like Jupiter level of destruction. You can even say Moon for the matter - your arg wouldn't be affected.

Not really. Even if it was the animators being "stupid", they still animated it, their intentions are unprovable unless you talk to them directly.

Wait... so you were using intent of real-life authors... only now to say that their intentions are unprovable? What?

And yes, if the animators were stupid to make incoherent scene, such as the one we are talking about, we can ignore it all together. Once again, if we go by your interpretation, Vox was going to attack them with something that barely destroyed a gate.

Story takes priority when it comes to powerscaling

Sure, except it's not what's happening here.

otherwise Invincible would be scaled higher than Superman.

I know nothing of the former except for memes.

Not in the case of natural explosions in which the formula used to estimate their yield requires you to input it's size

Right, this guy is so natural:

Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is that it would be destroyed in an explosion, just as the scene implies. Stop jumping to conclusions.

What occam's razor? She never clarifies how it will be destroyed.

Uh, no, I did not say only the gate was destroyed, if you read carefully, I do link the part where numerous buildings behind are seen to get destroyed too.

Even then, that's still not enough to take on the place that is bigger than Hell with its 100B inhabitants, so... Vox is still stupid either way.

Yes, because that's literally Lucifer's character, even in his Demon Form

Says who lmao? His Demon Form literally indicates his anger:

any more than Alastor not being killed by Adam one-shotting him scales Alastor to Adam.

We saw a large ahhh scar from Alastor that was still there throughout Season 2. Those do not compare remotely.

So much of a "bad" argument that the very site we're arguing on right now hasn't accepted it yet, huh?

Staff never evaluated it tbf.

Again, being "mad" does not mean you were holding back

Thanks for proving my point!

I'll give you a hint; no, he doesn't. Spider-Man gave Kingpin the same level of beatdown Lucifer did to Adam. Look at these scans and ask me if Kingpin scales simply because he survived. Does that logic sound familiar?

Except here General of Exorcists didn't merely survive, he endured MULTIPLE BLOODLUSTED PUNCHES. There is a bloody difference right there!

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Half-retired

it just means hes not THAT Vain, plus he probably respects her if he's willing to show up to her meetings.

I just meant to show how we can flip logic like that.

I can likewise argue that Alastor still respects Vox's old-self that he used to like, so he spared him because of that, alongside with Rosie arg.

The minute Husk acts up he threatens him with death so...

He threatens to tear his soul apart which he can only due to owning him.

Weakened Vox, hmmmm?

Blud it was a typo!

But jokes aside, I see the scaling chain as FP Alastor>100%Vox>W!Alastor>Base Vox.

It's in AP. When you take actual fight:
FP Alastor >>> W!Alastor > 100% Vox >>> Base Vox.
(">>>" is because both were craving for their FPs)

I have no issue with this.

So double standards.

Downscaling, maybe.

That's literally the point?

But when Alastor blatantly gets one-shotted and left severely wounded for at least several week

That was weakened Alastor with broken cane btw.

I really cannot understand the rationale behind fully scaling Alastor to Аdam

Who the heck argues fully, we know that Alastor would have never won via Rosie lmfao.

 

[Mythic381]

This really is something.

 

[ShionAH]

By your logic, it destroyed no buildings whatsoever, only gate. So Vox was planning to attack them with something that doesn't even destroy buildings or any surrounding...

Sera watching Vox desperately attack Heaven while his beams only put a dent on the roadside trashcan

 

[DaReaperMan]

I just meant to show how we can flip logic like that.

I can likewise argue that Alastor still respects Vox's old-self that he used to like, so he spared him because of that

I mean it's Alastor. If you're sufficiently noteworthy enough for him to tolerate annoyances like being touched, and you just made a major enemy of him to the point of being called rivals in the future, he's going to murk you.

Chances are that ancient WoG from Viv actually holds weight that Alastor doesn't like to chase down his victims, meaning Vox survived long enough to retreat. I mean, Alastor has shown to just blow Pentious across the city and not give chase even when pissed, so... yeah.

alongside with Rosie arg.

Gonna be straight up with you, while this does have logical weight, since Rosie to our knowledge doesn't exactly want the city to fall into anarchy cause Alastor murdered all the leadership, we just have no statements for it.

He threatens to tear his soul apart which he can only due to owning him.

How are the rest of the guys screaming in his broadcasts then?

Blud it was a typo!

THERE ARE NO TYPOS IN HELL, ORANGE!

It's in AP. When you take actual fight:
FP Alastor >>> W!Alastor > 100% Vox >>> Base Vox.
(">>>" is because both were craving for their FPs)

Yeah no shit. But I am talking AP.

Who the heck argues fully, we know that Alastor would have never won via Rosie lmfao.

Literally though.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Ok...soooo

1. Why hasn't Alastor's low 7-C calc been readded, it's very much a valid calc
2. A planet sized shockwave, I cannot stress that enough is at least multi-cont
3. Angels are represented as celestial creatures with planetary (solar system in Lu's case) implications pretty consistently
4. I actually wouldn't mind a 7-B AL, but a lot of the arguments aren't very well put
5. Really doesn't help to cry constant strawman whenever you don't like a question, makes people not want to hear you out

On a side note, if the verse got downgraded, Alastor being calculatedly only 2 ish times less powerful than Adam would be pretty funny and also prove how he hurt Adam to begin with.

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

That's exactly my problem, she only made the weapon, literally nobody had any clue about the power source, not even Charlie expected something like that, now sure I guess she didn't know it was him in there. But even then, a human soul knowing the power of Lucifer?

Just doesn't really seem likely, she really could only go off of him being stronger than any overlord, which BY THE WAY, means that the overcharge resulted from the fact that it was really only meant to channel so much energy, the amount that she could theorize. We literally have no reason to believe that Carmilla knows the full extent to Lucifers power, or that it was even supposed to be him in there.

About this btw, IK the power of song is continuously brought up. SO! What if everyone just ranged from city to large island with Lucifer and the 7 angels who helped make the barrier get to downscale. Alastor def downscales Adam, who can still probably scale to 1/7th or 1/14 the value, so AL the Goitia and sins can also keep that tier, along with Luci's own kid (who can actually upscale Adam with that freaky arm).

Alright, so who cant scale now, the normal/weaker overlords.......
Oh, that didn't change much now did it

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

She made it? But then again, she certainly didn't know what was gonna power it.

That's exactly my problem, she only made the weapon, literally nobody had any clue about the power source, not even Charlie expected something like that, now sure I guess she didn't know it was him in there. But even then, a human soul knowing the power of Lucifer?

Just doesn't really seem likely, she really could only go off of him being stronger than any overlord, which BY THE WAY, means that the overcharge resulted from the fact that it was really only meant to channel so much energy, the amount that she could theorize. We literally have no reason to believe that Carmilla knows the full extent to Lucifers power, or that it was even supposed to be him in there.

This is a genuinely good argument too.

Chances are that ancient WoG from Viv actually holds weight that Alastor doesn't like to chase down his victims, meaning Vox survived long enough to retreat. I mean, Alastor has shown to just blow Pentious across the city and not give chase even when pissed, so... yeah.

That's true too.

How are the rest of the guys screaming in his broadcasts then?

Tearing soul apart probably means being in a process of it indefinite amount of time so it harms indefinitely methinks (because otherwise "tear your soul apart and broadcast your screams" kinda makes no sense?)

THERE ARE NO TYPOS IN HELL, ORANGE!

Yeah no shit. But I am talking AP.

Yea, but Vox surviving Alastor would be in real fight, not in AP. If Weakened Alastor > 100% Vox in fight, guess how FP Alastor vs. base Vox fight would've ended if not for restricting factor like Rosie or him just having last remnants for of respect to his old pal for the last time.

Oh and also, don't forget that FP Alastor was extremely cocky at that time. So him looking at Vox trying to fight him might have come with him not taking it seriously too, especially since he now thought that Vox was bloody weak. So this is third possible explanation.

Literally though.

You know the Alastor upscale argumemt is bad when even his biggest glazer agrees it's bad, right?

Why hasn't Alastor's low 7-C calc been readded, it's very much a valid calc

It's on his page under feats brotatcho

 

[Mythic381]

How are the rest of the guys screaming in his broadcasts then?

You're assuming he was tearing their souls apart in the broadcasts... Which actually kind of makes sense, but not sure we can go by that.

Spoiler: Note

(Note: Only replying to simple stuff cuz my internet isn't working and am forced to use my phone, and I'm definitely not arguing with that broken shit.)

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

This is a genuinely good argument too.

Reaper giving me any credit is an achievement to be sure

It's on his page under feats brotatcho

I meant on the verse page. Could I add it? It's just weird it isn't in the overlords calc section

 

[DaReaperMan]

Tearing soul apart probably means being in a process of it indefinite amount of time so it harms indefinitely methinks (because otherwise "tear your soul apart and broadcast your screams" kinda makes no sense?)

I think we discovered new wank for Alastor. Though admittedly, his opponent would need to be badly wounded for him to do it.

Yea, but Vox surviving Alastor would be in real fight, not in AP. If Weakened Alastor > 100% Vox in fight, guess how FP Alastor vs. base Vox fight would've ended if not for restricting factor like Rosie or him just having last remnants for of respect to his old pal for the last time.

Oh and also, don't forget that FP Alastor was extremely cocky at that time. So him looking at Vox trying to fight him might have come with him not taking it seriously too, especially since he now thought that Vox was bloody weak. So this is third possible explanation.

He immediately dropped tier 7 power on a nobody he'd never heard of in a blimp. He's going to drop that kind of power against someone who was an Overlord at the time.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Remind me how we estimated those explosions are 8-A and Low 7-C again? Was it due to, perhaps, their size? Also I'm not seeing any Low 7-C feat for Alastor on the verse's page, so it's not accepted regardless meaning there's no point in bringing it up.

Again, by your logic, would that mean a Tier 2 character that creates an explosion that doesn't bomb a Tier 2 structure deserve a rating far below Tier 2?