I see, you think Hazbin Hotel is an audiobook! But we uh, have visuals for these things too.
Didn't we already downgrade most to that gang
We used to do that for Dragon Ball, but now we simply say that the base forms are x0.0025 times baseline if a SSJ3 performs a High 3-A feat instead of randomly saying "in Dragon Ball a x400 boost is in actuality an infinite one".
She made it? But then again, she certainly didn't know what was gonna power it.
Its a rule.
That's exactly my problem, she only made the weapon, literally nobody had any clue about the power source, not even Charlie expected something like that, now sure I guess she didn't know it was him in there. But even then, a human soul knowing the power of Lucifer?
Lmfao
You know for once you're speaking sense.
I meant this as in its support for the planetary (magic) of overlords, which is a little shaky still to me
I bow to you O' honored one
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To be clear, the feat in no way contradicts the kinetic energy requirements, much less the narrative. It's a weapon powered by the energy of a Seraphin capable of shattering a shield made by six other Seraphim, with the beam of this weapon crossing an interplanetary distance, expanding the surrounding air in such a way that it forms clouds larger than the planet itself upon colliding with the shield. Furthermore, just colliding with the shield, which is more than a planet away, generates seismic energy so strong that it shakes the planet itself. And upon destroying the shield, it generates a second, even larger, and even faster cloud expansion.
How so? The planet was nearly pierced by the beam, suffered a major earthquake, and even if it wasn't destroyed, that doesn't invalidate the feat, because Heaven, which is literally the first place of creation, may simply be more resistant than an ordinary planet, especially since its gates survived the beam even though they were catapulted and damaged (which, incidentally, was considered the most impressive thing by viewers, not an interplanetary beam, but the breaking of the gate).
I would like to point out that Carmine may not have fully made the weapon from scratch, it seems Vox already had some blueprints ready
Angelic Steel is also consistently a god tier material so this tracks
What if heaven just has a really big hole or is a series of sky islands? Semi-genuine question. What if Vox just accidentally threaded the needle?
These are all irrelevant, these simply have to do with upscaling/downscaling the calcs themselves, which has nothing to do with what this thread is arguing.
No, I didn't say that at any point, in fact I am specifically going off of the currently accepted opinion that the overheating was even stronger. But the fact that the much stronger "overheating" explosion was described as only destroying specifically half of Pentagram City is what specifically downgrades the much weaker blast, which as I stated, is consistent with the visuals of said weaker blast that was supposedly 5-B barely doing any major damage to Heaven besides destroying a few off-screen buildings, and you cannot argue "AP =/= DC" in that case because the Might of Lilith was utilized specifically for it's Destructive Capacity. Again, if AP was all that was needed, Vox finding a way to teleport a machine up to Heaven that doesn't have the same range but the same AP would have been much, much more convenient and less time consuming than building a weapon which spans the distance.
Again, I explained this to OrangeGuy, but this is a classic example of Occam's Razor. A machine overheating and the wording surrounding it's aftermath clearly implies a standard explosion, our explosive formulae hinge on inputting the radius of the blast and the blast specifically decreases or increases depending on how large the size of the explosion is. Inputting a quarter of Pentagram City as the radius of the explosion would not yield anywhere near Tier 5 results. AP objectively does equal DC in this case, sorry. It also doesn't even matter anyway, as even if we were able to get Pentagram City's mass and apply any of those destruction values to it (which would require countless assumptions on the material most of the city is made of), even the vaporization value would not yield close to Tier 5 results, the only way to do that would be through subatomic destruction, but alas, you cannot apply subatomic destruction without sufficient evidence that is what it's going on. If you have evidence the Might of Lilith subatomically destroys things in its path, I'll be glad to hear it.
It's starting to get really frustrating how people are endlessly repeating this exact same rebuttal despite how many times I've addressed it. You cannot apply this argument for explosions, because again, their yield hinges on us knowing their size. For the thousandth goddamn time, explosions do not yield billions of times more energy than the destruction they cause, that's not how any explosion feats in fiction that we have calculations for work.
All these arguments have one massive issue, you're saying that the weapon overcharged on a lesser amount of energy even though it fired so many planetary ones before.
Gonna stop you riiiiight there. Now, pause. Scroll up. Carmilla being a reliable source has been getting dunked on.
I lowkey think its a good idea for Overlords and etc to scale to this end which is like Island level since its more consistent than Planetary whole verse
I didn't understand your question. But Vox was explicitly aiming at the gates of heaven; he didn't want to kill anyone with the shot, but rather impact heaven with his firepower, suggesting surrender, while simultaneously gaining popularity in hell, which is yet another argument against the proposal.
Actually, I might be wrong, but wasn't Sir Pentious's airship reinforced with angelic steel? I always thought that was the reason his soul wasn't extinguished.
Basically heaven is built like doughnut, and he just shot through it, but it was more a joke than a real consideration, as it relies on too many what ifs
No, he wasnt erased due to being redeemed, not the ship
We don’t have anything to prove or say that, it looks the same color. Its probably just the Death Ray
Well, anyway, Adam managed to destroy angelic steel, fascinating.
Did you even read the thing you're responding to? I specifically explained that this is not what I'm arguing at all. I specifically am agreeing with the notion that the overheated explosion is stronger than the initial, supposedly 5-B blasts it fired ta Heaven. The issue is that the stronger explosion would not have even fully destroyed Pentagram City, consistent with the showings of the weaker supposedly 5-B energy blasts fired at Heaven barely destroying any of it beyond vaguely a few buildings. The latter quite clearly breaks KE rules, this is not a case of "AP =/= DC", and feats have been rejected for this very reason in the past. Unless you wanna argue Omni-Man here is yielding thousands of times more energy than the destruction he causes by flying. If you think "AP =/= DC" in that situation too, go ahead and make a CRT for it.
...huh? That's...literally not how super weapons work, at all. The first Death Star was only around 120 km in diameter, and Alderaan's diameter was 12500 km, much less the distance the Death Star was from it. Hell, the beam fired from the Death Star is considerably less small than the Death Star's diameter. I could list countless more examples, but this is not proof of anything other than precisely proving my side of the argument; the Might of Lilith's range and destructive capacity was what it was weaponized for, it makes no sense for the AP to be several orders of magnitudes greater.
his soul was extinguished.
I saw, and am in the process of responding to those now. But I'll get into why this is bogus shortly here.
I prefer abiding by KE guidelines and prioritizing the destruction caused by the explosion rather than the apparent kinetic energy. In this case, that would be actually calculating destroying half of Pentagram City, not something supposedly weaker that yielded billions upon trillions of times more energy. And again, the supposed "High 6-A" shot still barely destroys anything beyond a few buildings in Heaven. "AP =/= DC" is not applicable here by this wiki's very own guidelines.
Irrelevant, Carmilla is still fully aware of how powerful angels are. Her not being made aware of the power source is like saying the U.S Military shouldn't be trusted on how strong a weapon from a foreign country is because they aren't entirely aware of what powers it.
You mean the "on-screen feat" that barely does any notable damage to Heaven, again, directly violating KE guidelines? If you disagree with the example in that page, go ahead and make a CRT overturning not applying KE even when the damage caused contradicts it.
Yeah, this is what my stance currently is. Again, KE guidelines tell you to prioritize the damage caused if the proposed KE contradicts the visuals.
Thank you for telling me "I did not actually read the blog beyond the 5-A stuff"
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I would like to point out that Carmine may not have fully made the weapon from scratch, it seems Vox already had some blueprints ready
