Kinji Hakari Upgrade / Hajime Kashimo Downgrade

[ShionAH]

Pretty simple hopefully. Base Hakari should scale to High 7-C.
Information needed for the CRT, Hajime Kashimo and Yuta Okkotsu are directly Large Town Level.

• Yuta and Hakari have relative and debatably equal durability even without Jackpot (As he wouldn't puke if he was in JP)
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• Hakari directly takes several blows and combos from Kashimo in Base. He was using the rerolls to heal himself correct but he still clearly can handle hits of this level with Hajime directly hitting weak spots, I counted exactly 6 hits with 4 of them landing right into his neck area for maximum damage.
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• No Luck is gonna help Hakari if Uraume could destroy him while in Base even without her Ice lol. I don't know why Hakari would be a whole tier lower than Jackpot and how his fights would even work in that case especially when his first domain doesn't have any buffs

I think he should also get Supersonic+ speed and Class M for at least forcing Kashimo to block, evade and etc since it was more of a skill diff tbh. Shouldn't Culling Games Yuji who Hakari overpowered also scale to Class M from Yuta because of this feat? Plus Yuji should also scale to Yuta's speed as he dodges and evades him so much lol?? I don't see why Yuta is so above them rn. I'd say both Yuji and Base Hakari scale to Yuta

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Another simple argument, Jackpot scales far above Base Kashimo it ain't even funny. First of all Hajime's profile is way too generous to his performance I'll reply to them

• "Had overwhelmed Hakari in numerous instances and was going hit for hit with him in combat"
  • In WHAT instance did Kashimo "overwhelm" Jackpot Hakari let alone outpace him?
• "During his fight against Hakari, he proved to be physically equal if not stronger than him"
  • Again. What? When did he ever overpower Hakari, it's actually always the opposite of that.

Now I know the questions. "Oh when did Hakari overwhelm Kashimo then??" I will simply say most of the fight is Hakari holding back it's funnier because Hakari is both not taking it fully serious but he also wants him alive which is specified in Okkotsu for the Sendai fight "would have killed both him and Takako Uro if he didn't need their points". ANYWAYS I will just spam the times Hakari humiliates the God of Lighting

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So how will I reword Hakari's stats?

Large Town level (Easily beat down Yuji Itadori in a punching match, could somewhat keep up with Hajime Kashimo in his own domain), far higher with Jackpot (During Jackpot, Hakari increases all his physical abilities along with making his energy infinite with Yuta admitting that Hakari is stronger than him when he's worked up. Easily overpowered Hajime Kashimo despite not taking the fight seriously and wanting to keep him alive, additionally when he did start to actually go all out he overwhelmed Kashimo to the point of not letting him tag Hakari in hand to hand until his own defeat. Completely smashed Uraume through a building deep into the ground using one hand and then sent her across several buildings with a casual kick. Despite knowing and interacting with Yuji and Maki before Uraume considered Hakari to be a monster compared to any of the sorcerers in the modern era and that he deserved to be crushed by her full power

Large Town level (Completely unaffected by a headbutt from Yuji, could take several blows from Hajime Kashimo in his own domain), far higher with Jackpot (Tanked multiple attacks from Kashimo while in a trance), far higher with Binding Vows

Supersonic + (He was too fast for Charles's precognition which could perceive actions a second ahead, covering several meters. Could somewhat react and fight with Kashimo), At least Supersonic+ with Jackpot (Is at a similar level to Yuta. Once he got serious he overwhelmed Kashimo to the point of not letting him tag Hakari in hand to hand until his own defeat.)

Btw CG Yuji would also be upgraded and this would also further prove Base Hakari’s upgrade. Credits to @Mommyleona for it

Large Town level (Grew stronger since Shibuya. Blocked Yuta's sword with a knife, despite never learning how to imbue weapons with Cursed Energy. Headbutted Hakari. Broke Yuta's sword with a single kick. Surprised 15F Sukuna with his strength and had relative performance against him with Maki)

Large Town level (Tanked a punch and a kick from Yuta with no visible injuries. Took a beatdown from Hakari while actively not resisting. Withstood a gut punch from 10% 15F Sukuna as well as dozens of dismantles)

Supersonic+ (Avoided Yuta's rush and made Yuta compliment his speed. Had repeatedly dodged Yuta's sword strikes. Visibly surprised Sukuna and managed to keep pace with him and Maki)

Class M (Held back Yuta's sword from pressing at him. Caved in a roof with his jump)

AND Hakari's RCT gets upgraded.

Instinctive Action, Purification (Type 3) & Regeneration (At least Mid [Instant]. During Jackpot Hakari's body instinctively performs regeneration which allows him to heal heavy brain damage just as fast as Lighting can destroy it and additionally removes poison from his system.)

Massively Hypersonic+ Regeneration (Healed heavy brain damage just as fast as Lighting Discharge can destroy it)

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Agree: 2 (@AbaddonTheDisappointment, @Nierre)
Disagree:

 

[Mommyleona]

Easily agree, would've done that myself at some point

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

The jackpot stats should just be "higher" instead of restating the stat again cause it's redundant. Also I don't think the base durability should be listed as "likely higher" considering the feats are coming from Yuji who isn't even high 7-C in that key and his domain where he'd get a stat amp anyways.

Other than that seems fine from what I can tell

 

[Mommyleona]

Yuji who isn't even high 7-C in that key

(he will be soon trust)

 

[Giannysmag]

CG Yuji should also be High 7-C btw

 

[ShionAH]

Snip

Btw Aboddon, this is kinda controversial so I kept it in the comments.

What would you think of this for his RCT and Reactions?

Instinctive Action, Purification (Type 3) & Regeneration (At least Mid [Instant]. During Jackpot Hakari's body instinctively performs regeneration which allows him to heal heavy brain damage just as fast as Lighting can destroy it and additionally removes poison from his system.)

Massively Hypersonic+ Reactions with Jackpot (He was able to detect, understand and finally counter Kashimo sending a Lighting Discharge into his brain by expelling the cursed energy from his nose)

RCT also scales to MHS+

 

[ShionAH]

Yuji who isn't even high 7-C

Why would Yuji not scale to Yuta? Can I get your opinion for that, he even overpowered Yuta in the anime? I included that I want to buff Yuji to that tier in the OP

 

[Mommyleona]

Why would Yuji not scale to Yuta? Can I get your opinion for that, he even overpowered Yuta in the anime? I included that I want to buff Yuji to that tier in the OP

is Yuji being upgraded too?

 

[ShionAH]

is Yuji being upgraded too?

Shouldn't Culling Games Yuji who Hakari overpowered also scale to Class M from Yuta because of this feat? Plus Yuji should also scale to Yuta's speed as he dodges and evades him so much lol?? I don't see why Yuta is so above them rn. I'd say both Yuji and Base Hakari scale to Yuta

I said this in the OP, I don't know why Yuji is even a WHOLE TIER BELOW YUTA when he literally escapes, blocks and etc.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

When you say Kashimo downgrade, are you trying to lower his tier or something? Because it doesn't seem like he's actually being downgraded here. at least not significantly

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Btw Aboddon, this is kinda controversial so I kept it in the comments.

What would you think of this for his RCT and Reactions?

RCT justification I suppose is fine.

Speed I'm not touching that

Why would Yuji not scale to Yuta? Can I get your opinion for that, he even overpowered Yuta in the anime? I included that I want to buff Yuji to that tier in the OP

I skipped that cause pretty sure people are working on removing the anime from secondary canon with an upcoming CRT

Also people argue that both were holding back their own stats so eh

 

[ShionAH]

When you say Kashimo downgrade, are you trying to lower his tier or something? Because it doesn't seem like he's actually being downgraded here. at least not significantly

Nah, just fixing up the text that makes it seem like he is at Jackpot Hakaris level let alone above him

 

[Giannysmag]

Why would Yuji not scale to Yuta? Can I get your opinion for that, he even overpowered Yuta in the anime? I included that I want to buff Yuji to that tier in the OP

I wrote about this one the Discussion Thread once

• Yuta was holding back against Yuji: This is as far as I can tell completely unsupported by the fight. Yuta's mission was to kill Yuji to complete his BV with the higher ups and revive him with RCT, there is no reason for him to hold back in anyway here. Yuta is also surprised several times by Yuji's speed and even admits that this was never going to be an easy fight. Infact the person that's stated outright to have been holding back during the fight wasn't Yuta, it was Yuji and that's on top of him not having fully recovered physically from Shibuya.
  • A common counter argument to CG Yuji = CG Yuta in stats (one that I've actually used in the past) is that a stronger Yuji that fought Meguna was still weaker than Maki. The answer is simply that Maki is stronger than CG Yuta in stats, I mean the main deal of HR is giving you high stats in exchange for no CE.

 

[Mommyleona]

I said this in the OP, I don't know why Yuji is even a WHOLE TIER BELOW YUTA when he literally escapes, blocks and etc.

oh well, you just didnt really give a new justification for Yuji, so its easy to miss

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Nah, just fixing up the text that makes it seem like he is at Jackpot Hakaris level let alone above him

Ok

His Lightning discharges are still above JP Hakari tho iirc

 

[ShionAH]

Speed I'm not touching that

Could you maybe ping some people who would touch that? Idk if any mods like JJK, BUT I will say don't you at least agree his RCT would be MHS?

I skipped that cause pretty sure people are working on removing the anime from secondary canon with an upcoming CRT

Oh I see. Even then you can look at @Giannysmag message, there is no way Yuji is a whole tier below Yuta in speed, AP and LS lol.

oh well, you just didnt really give a new justification for Yuji, so its easy to miss

Yeah my bad.

His Lightning discharges are still above JP Hakari tho iirc

Ofc. It rips him apart.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Pretty simple hopefully. Base Hakari should scale to High 7-C.

All the arguments youve given are only for dura, so youd have to explain how this applies to striking and ap too.
As dura its fine i guess, but as an at most rating. Since he caved in on Kashimo pummeling him and jackpot Hakari would be comparable to Kashimo.

I think he should also get Supersonic+ speed and Class M for at least forcing Kashimo to block, evade and etc since it was more of a skill diff tbh. Shouldn't Culling Games Yuji who Hakari overpowered also scale to Class M from Yuta because of this feat? Plus Yuji should also scale to Yuta's speed as he dodges and evades him so much lol?? I don't see why Yuta is so above them rn. I'd say both Yuji and Base Hakari scale to Yuta

No way, Hakari got blitzed by Kashimo.

Another simple argument, Jackpot scales far above Base Kashimo it ain't even funny. First of all Hajime's profile is way too generous to his performance I'll reply to them

• "Had overwhelmed Hakari in numerous instances and was going hit for hit with him in combat"
  • In WHAT instance did Kashimo "overwhelm" Jackpot Hakari let alone outpace him?
• "During his fight against Hakari, he proved to be physically equal if not stronger than him"
  • Again. What? When did he ever overpower Hakari, it's actually always the opposite of that.

So would the kashimo downgrade just be a wording change?

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Could you maybe ping some people who would touch that? Idk if any mods like JJK, BUT I will say don't you at least agree his RCT would be MHS?

I'd be fine with his RCT being MHS, his actual reactions ehhh cause reactions requires movement which he really didn't do.

Oh I see. Even then you can look at @Giannysmag message, there is no way Yuji is a whole tier below Yuta in speed, AP and LS lol.

Probably should list that in the OP then along with what the justifications would be

 

[Mommyleona]

Yeah my bad.

Hmm gimme a minute to make a justification for Yuji which you could add into the OP

 

[ShionAH]

All the arguments youve given are only for dura, so youd have to explain how this applies to striking and ap too.

What about Charles being able to somewhat cut through Hakari's skin (he is holding back but yknow) yet admitting that Hakari can one shot him and we even see him break his staff in one hit.

Since he caved in on Kashimo pummeling him and jackpot Hakari would be comparable to Kashimo.

What do you mean by this? I don't understand.

No way, Hakari got blitzed by Kashimo.

That was likely just a tempochange, otherwise he literally throws punches and reacts to Kashimo several times after

So would the kashimo downgrade just be a wording change?

Yes.

 

[ShionAH]

his actual reactions ehhh cause reactions requires movement which he really didn't do.

I mean I'd assume being able to understand and act accordingly would be reaction speed no? Or maybe perception? I am not too sure myself.

Hmm gimme a minute to make a justification for Yuji which you could add into the OP

Thank you!

 

[ElJoaki5]

What about Charles being able to somewhat cut through Hakari's skin (he is holding back but yknow) yet admitting that Hakari can one shot him and we even see him break his staff in one hit.

Youre supposed to send scans

What do you mean by this? I don't understand.

Even if he can take some hits, kashimo had his ass passing out. Thats why it would be an At Most rating.

That was likely just a tempochange, otherwise he literally throws punches and reacts to Kashimo several times after

He is literally just eating hits here. This doesnt justify base hakari scaling to Kashimo in any way. Your whole justification is that Hakari managed to just throw a punch that got blocked, thats all.

Yes.

Yeah the pages should have them as relative rather than Kashimo noticeably outstating

 

[ShionAH]

Youre supposed to send scans

Even if he can take some hits, kashimo had his ass passing out. Thats why it would be an At Most rating.

Can he use his rerolls while knocked out though??

If yes then sure if the Yuji scaling doesn't get accepted, but wouldn't the switch training after Culling Games that boosted their durability let Hakari get normal rating?

He is literally just eating hits here. This doesnt justify base hakari scaling to Kashimo in any way. Your whole justification is that Hakari managed to just throw a punch that got blocked, thats all.

You are saying Kashimo is a perception blitz faster than Hakari... he wouldn't be able to throw a punch that Kashimo blocked at the last moment if the speed gap was that wide.

Yeah the pages should have them as relative rather than Kashimo noticeably outstating

No. Hakari would be just a bit stronger while holding back and horribly outstatting when going all out.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Btw, Base Hakari grazes Kashimo in one of the scenes.
Either way, I had plans to upgrade Base Hakari relative to Yuta, and his speed should arguably be above Maki’s reaction speed. There is zero reason to believe Uraume didn’t use maximum output on Hakari, especially considering that the same attack outright blitzes Maki and Yuji. And like the OP already stated, there is no luck factor saving Base Hakari from AoE attacks if he isn’t fast enough to avoid them.
It should also be mentioned that CG Hakari was not taking Yuji seriously, yet he was still casually keeping up with him. This is notable since Yuji was in far better physical condition and mindset than the Yuji that CG Yuta fought.

 

[Giannysmag]

and his speed should arguably be above Maki’s reaction speed

Brother

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Brother

Anyway I'm being serious on this stuff here. I don't see any problem with Base Hakari scaling above Maki and CG Yuji speed. If anyone disagree feel free to elaborate.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Anyway I'm being serious on this stuff here. I don't see any problem with Base Hakari scaling above Maki and CG Yuji speed. If anyone disagree feel free to elaborate.

Can you show us proof of Base Hakari dodging it?

 

[ShionAH]

Can you show us proof of Base Hakari dodging it?

I guess they mean that Base Hakari HAS to be able to somewhat avoid it to well... survive

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Can you show us proof of Base Hakari dodging it?

You are just ignoring the arguments and asking for unrelated proof. I literally explained why he needs to dodge that otherwise he would be getting struck and couldn't be able to open the domain. We already see how large AOE damage Uraume and Hakari fight caused. Not to mention Hakari wounds were not healed the chapter 252 as far as I remember he still had brushes on his body so he should have been fighting them for some time.

 

[Mommyleona]

Thank you!

Done

AP:
Large Town level (Grew stronger since Shibuya. Blocked Yuta's sword with a knife, despite never learning how to imbue weapons with Cursed Energy. Headbutted Hakari. Broke Yuta's sword with a single kick. Surprised 15F Sukuna with his strength and had relative performance against him with Maki)
Durability:
Large Town level (Tanked a punch and a kick from Yuta with no visible injuries. Took a beatdown from Hakari while actively not resisting. Withstood a gut punch from 10% 15F Sukuna as well as dozens of dismantles)
Speed:
Supersonic+ (Avoided Yuta's rush and made Yuta compliment his speed. Had repeatedly dodged Yuta's sword strikes. Visibly surprised Sukuna and managed to keep pace with him and Maki)
LS:
Class M (Held back Yuta's sword from pressing at him. Caved in a roof with his jump)

I think that's mostly everything notable

 

[Giannysmag]

Blocked Yuta's sword with a knife, despite never learning how to imbue weapons with Cursed Energy

Yuta katana downscale (good jon)

 

[BiggestOpp]

You are just ignoring the arguments and asking for unrelated proof. I literally explained why he needs to dodge that otherwise he would be getting struck and couldn't be able to open the domain. We already see how large AOE damage Uraume and Hakari fight caused. Not to mention Hakari wounds were not healed the chapter 252 as far as I remember he still had brushes on his body so he should have been fighting them for some time.

Uhhhh, that’s not an argument brotato, that’s called speculation
The attack that supposedly blitz Maki and Yuji (it was off guard) was a Maximum Technique, something that doesn’t get tossed around willy nilly, so I’ll ask for you to show proof that Hakari dodged that in base

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Done

AP:
Large Town level (Grew stronger since Shibuya. Blocked Yuta's sword with a knife, despite never learning how to imbue weapons with Cursed Energy. Headbutted Hakari. Broke Yuta's sword with a single kick. Surprised 15F Sukuna with his strength and had relative performance against him with Maki)
Durability:
Large Town level (Tanked a punch and a kick from Yuta with no visible injuries. Took a beatdown from Hakari while actively not resisting. Withstood a gut punch from 10% 15F Sukuna as well as dozens of dismantles)
Speed:
Supersonic+ (Avoided Yuta's rush and made Yuta compliment his speed. Had repeatedly dodged Yuta's sword strikes. Visibly surprised Sukuna and managed to keep pace with him and Maki)
LS:
Class M (Held back Yuta's sword from pressing at him. Caved in a roof with his jump)

I think that's mostly everything notable

Yuji would probably have an "At Most" or a "Possibly" but other than that this looks pretty accurate imo

 

[Rogue_Forge]

And its not really a massive leap in logic for Yuji to go from City Block level+ to Large Town level considering No CE Yuji was able to fight Higuruma (Who is City Block level+) adding CE would make him way stronger

 

[ShionAH]

Yuji would probably have an "At Most" or a "Possibly"

Why? Yuta isn’t him guys…

Done

I added but a part of my soul hurt when I had to type out Mommy Leona on the OP

 

[Mommyleona]

I added but a part of my soul hurt when I had to type out Mommy Leona on the OP

cmon, cant be that bad

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Why? Yuta isn’t him guys…

Yuta was still somewhat holding back, he needed to both kill Yuji and revive him in one shot so he had to hit a vital spot, although I don't think Yuji should have an "at most" for durability cause he clearly is durable enough to tank H7-C attacks

Also, Yuji's headbut on hakari clearly didnt do much damage, that shouldn't be used as a reasoning

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Uhhhh, that’s not an argument brotato, that’s called speculation
The attack that supposedly blitz Maki and Yuji (it was off guard) was a Maximum Technique, something that doesn’t get tossed around willy nilly, so I’ll ask for you to show proof that Hakari dodged that in base

Show me where I claimed he dodged in base rather than giving my arguments why he should be able to. You are asking for something which I didn't claim. So Its not really not my burden.

 

[Mommyleona]

Yuta was still somewhat holding back

Yuji was also holding back and still recovering from his injuries too

Also, Yuji's headbut on hakari clearly didnt do much damage, that shouldn't be used as a reasoning

It visibly hurt Hakari so i think its fine

 

[Arkenis]

Anyway I'm being serious on this stuff here. I don't see any problem with Base Hakari scaling above Maki and CG Yuji speed. If anyone disagree feel free to elaborate.

Literally nothing wrong with this. Kept up with Kashimo, moved several meters in an instant, basically impossible for Maki and Yuji, and he should easily scale to Yuta who's bare minimum supersonic.