Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Alexander]

What are the opinions on these topics and claims?

1. Mind is inside the Soul and they are one in the Hellaverse.

proof

1. Purging the very evilness of beings would have Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 arguments

nto enough

1. Immortality Type 5 for the character that are immortal to non angelic weapons

literraly the angelic weapons are busted anyway

1. Lute can continue living if you cut her head off with a normal knife

proof

1. UES exists

bullshit no

1. Seraphim’s should have 4-A creation

YES YES YES YES

1. Heaven and Hell are universes because of that one statement and Hell having different skies depending in the ring

yes yes yes yes yes (also they are called realms)

 

[Comiphorous]

UES exists

Universal Energy Systems (alternatively called a Universal Power System or a Connective Energy System) are systems in which a feat, whether it is one of physical statistics (Striking Strength or Durability) or of supernatural powers (e.g. energy beams), would also scale to all other statistics. That means if such a character for instance demonstrates a Building level fireball spell, they would be assumed to have at least Building level Striking Strength, Attack Potency and Durability. If they have other spells, like for example water blades, they would be assumed to be able to output similar attack power with those spells.

Weren't you just talking about how you didn't like physically tier 5 overlords besides Alastor? a UES would do exactly that. (Also they far from comply with any of the rules on the site for a UES, let alone the lower versions)

 

[DaReaperMan]

What are the opinions on these topics and claims?

1. Mind is inside the Soul and they are one in the Hellaverse.

Takes too much Worldbuilding theories. It's probably true, but it's also got nothing going for it because Viv and Worldbuilding hardly mix.

1. Purging the very evilness of beings would have Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 arguments

Definitely not.

1. Immortality Type 5 for the character that are immortal to non angelic weapons

People can still die. They just regenerate and don't die, or did we forget that Alastor turning that airship into a tincan KILLED PENTIOUS? Not maimed, not injured, killed, stone dead.

1. Lute can continue living if you cut her head off with a normal knife

No.

1. UES exists

For angels? Probably it's the same shit they're made of anyways. For Demons?

no.

1. Seraphim’s should have 4-A creation

You know how I stand on that shit!

1. Heaven and Hell are universes because of that one statement and Hell having different skies depending in the ring

Once again, you know where I stand on that shit!

 

[ShionAH]

Weren't you just talking about how you didn't like physically tier 5 overlords besides Alastor?

I am asking for opinions. I don’t agree with all of them, just asking to see what others think of the topic

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

What are the opinions on these topics and claims?

1. Mind is inside the Soul and they are one in the Hellaverse.
2. Purging the very evilness of beings would have Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 arguments
3. Immortality Type 5 for the character that are immortal to non angelic weapons
4. Lute can continue living if you cut her head off with a normal knife
5. UES exists
6. Seraphim’s should have 4-A creation
7. Heaven and Hell are universes because of that one statement and Hell having different skies depending in the ring

1 might work (though it'd help little, Mahito's touching them silly. though, it'd hardly matter since they're so much stronger than him), 2 might work, 3 I already a thing, A normal knife wouldn't harm her cuz of "invulnerability" tho I'm not convinced she would, I kinda do believe this one but (should Hellaverse ever get a page like Ki manipulation) Goeita Magic would have it's own section, oh boy, here we go Powerscaling mind says no due vagueness but I do think it would make sense in story, Hell to earth or heaven to earth definatelly a universe, heaven to hell is where things get wonky with WOG directly stated they treat the two to each other like planets

 

[DaReaperMan]

I am asking for opinions. I don’t agree with all of them, just asking to see what others think of the topic

I figured, but like I said before, if Vox, Alastor, Val, and Husk didn't tank magic, they wouldn't be scaling to 5-B physically. It's why I dismissed Prick and Hatchet scaling to 5-B physically despite being overlords who contributed to the feat.

 

[Comiphorous]

I am asking for opinions. I don’t agree with all of them, just asking to see what others think of the topic

Yeah big no. Hellaverse doesn't even have enough to have a Limited Energy System, let alone a UES. (which is why i was a bit confused on why their tier 5 magic scaled to their general magic and asked about it earlier)

 

[Alexander]

1 might work (though it'd help little, Mahito's touching them silly. though, it'd hardly matter since they're so much stronger than him), 2 might work, 3 I already a thing, A normal knife wouldn't harm her cuz of "invulnerability" tho I'm not convinced she would, I kinda do believe this one but (should Hellaverse ever get a page like Ki manipulation) Goeita Magic would have it's own section, oh boy, here we go Powerscaling mind says no due vagueness but I do think it would make sense in story, Hell to earth or heaven to earth definatelly a universe, heaven to hell is where things get wonky with WOG directly stated they treat the two to each other like planets

that thing about planets was just said once, they are stated to be universes and they don't say "like" on it compared to planets.
also, they are called realms in the show and in the same interview they mention realms for the two.

 

[DarkLock92]

Mind is inside the Soul and they are one in the Hellaverse.

Where is anything of the sort implied?

Purging the very evilness of beings would have Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 arguments

I'm not very knowledgeable on this but this seems unlikely

Immortality Type 5 for the character that are immortal to non angelic weapons

I don't see why, they can still die overall

Lute can continue living if you cut her head off with a normal knife

Hell no

UES exists

For Lucifer maybe, the rest idk

Seraphim’s should have 4-A creation

Ain't no way Emily gets that if she struggled with a few Egg Boiz, and the "feat" is too vague to scale anyway.

Heaven and Hell are universes because of that one statement and Hell having different skies depending in the ring

Until we get further info on the cosmology I disagree

 

[Alexander]

Ain't no way Emily gets that if she struggled with a few Egg Boiz, and the "feat" is too vague to scale anyway.

She didn't struggle with it, she just made dumb faces (EVERYONE IN THIS SHOW DOES, it's a comedy show)

 

[DaReaperMan]

She didn't struggle with it, she just made dumb faces (EVERYONE IN THIS SHOW DOES, it's a comedy show)

"Pwease let my fraud Seraphim who gets dunked on by ******* Overlords be stwong!"

Yeah I know it's creation scaling but still.

 

[DarkLock92]

She didn't struggle with it, she just made dumb faces (EVERYONE IN THIS SHOW DOES, it's a comedy show)

Listen to the sounds she's making and tell me she's not straining

 

[Alexander]

Listen to the sounds she's making and tell me she's not straining

that sounds like the most cute and funny sounds i ever heard man.
unless we think that Charlie was also struggling to make fireworks (even when previosly, she used them to fight)

 

[DarkLock92]

"Pwease let my fraud Seraphim who gets dunked on by ******* Overlords be stwong!"

Yeah I know it's creation scaling but still.

That "fraud Seraphim" carries the entire FTL speed scaling on her back

 

[ShionAH]

For the record I was gonna use the “purged souls extraction makes evilness come out” to say Mind = Soul.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Listen to the sounds she's making and tell me she's not straining

I was about to make a joke on that, but no, it's a wee bit innaprops.

 

[Alexander]

I was about to make a joke on that, but no, it's a wee bit innaprops.

something something, related to the Sound external xylophonic?

 

[DarkLock92]

that sounds like the most cute and funny sounds i ever heard man

And? She's still straining. Every other feat of creation is shown to be basically effortless.
Also :

I don't see why she would do that if she isn't going to put any effort into her creation

 

[ShionAH]

To be fair to Emily, you could say creating well LIFE would be harder than big rocks no matter the size of it

 

[Alexander]

And? She's still straining. Every other feat of creation is shown to be basically effortless.
Also :

I don't see why she would do that if she isn't going to put any effort into her creation

she also did the feat of Lucifer without using her true form...actually, nobody used their true form for the might of lilith explosion

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

that thing about planets was just said once, they are stated to be universes and they don't say "like" on it compared to planets.
also, they are called realms in the show and in the same interview they mention realms for the two.

Being called Realms doesn't automatically give you "it's a universe" on this wiki, buddy. Heck, One character on this wiki destroyed hundreds of realms and was just Large Planet level for a good while

 

[ShionAH]

Being called Realms doesn't automatically give you "it's a universe" on this wiki, buddy.

I meannnn Vivzie later calls them universes in the interview lol

 

[Alexander]

Being called Realms doesn't automatically give you "it's a universe" on this wiki, buddy. Heck, One character on this wiki destroyed hundreds of realms and was just Large Planet level for a good while

yeah, but the living universe or mortal world is also called a realm...and this includes the stars on it

 

[DaReaperMan]

I meannnn Vivzie later calls them universes in the interview lol

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I meannnn Vivzie later calls them universes in the interview lol

Cool, you're still not getting universal
I'm just saying, using the "it's called Realms" ain't gonna give you Universal constructs, it give you planets

 

[DarkLock92]

To be fair to Emily, you could say creating well LIFE would be harder than big rocks no matter the size of it

I'd hardly call these Egg Boiz alive tbh
Also what big rocks, I thought the 4-A scaling came from that one flashback that implied Lucifer created/planned to create a solar system?

she also did the feat of Lucifer without using her true form...actually, nobody used their true form for the might of lilith explosion

Do we scale that to creation? I thought it scaled to their overall magic.

 

[ShionAH]

I'd hardly call these Egg Boiz alive tbh

Don’t you DARE DAY THAT TO MY BOYS

Also what big rocks, I thought the 4-A scaling came from that one flashback that implied Lucifer created/planned to create a solar system?

Yeah. Solar Systems and Planets are technically big rocks. Well huge rocks lol

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Hazbin Supports getting greedy now that there getting 5-A and tryin to get to universal like the mods won't see that shit and strike us down to 9-B to 9-A, 8-A-L7C

 

[DarkLock92]

Yeah. Solar Systems and Planets are technically big rocks. Well huge rocks lol

Stars are made of rocks now?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Stars are made of rocks now?

Technically, yeah. Plasma rocks, but still rocks.

 

[Alexander]

before anyone says creating life is complex...Adam and Lilith were created from dirt and it was pretty easily done (at least in the perspective of the backstory)

 

[DarkLock92]

Hazbin Supports getting greedy now that there getting 5-A and tryin to get to universal like the mods won't see that shit and strike us down to 9-B to 9-A, 8-A-L7C

Like a wise man once said:

You will f*** it up
You'll never fill your cup
You're broken from the start
No victory will ever be enough

 

[ShionAH]

“I am gonna wipe that scaling off your pages because HELLAVERSE IS DEAD” ahh staff

 

[DaReaperMan]

“I am gonna wipe that scaling off your pages because HELLAVERSE IS DEAD” ahh staff

It's literally going to be Vox Populi but Lucifer isn't restricted from harming Sinners lmfao

 

[DarkLock92]

before anyone says creating life is complex...Adam and Lilith were created from dirt and it was pretty easily done (at least in the perspective of the backstory)

More proof that Emily might just be bad at creation

 

[Alexander]

More proof that Emily might just be bad at creation

any insult to the queen deserves a punishment (thought i agree)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

“I am gonna wipe that scaling off your pages because HELLAVERSE IS DEAD” ahh staff

Hellaverse upscalers vs Staff

 

[Mythic381]

Mind is inside the Soul and they are one in the Hellaverse.

sounds like a stretch. Where does the argument come from?

Purging the very evilness of beings would have Conceptual Manipulation Type 3 arguments

Pretty sure that needs heavy context.

Immortality Type 5 for the character that are immortal to non angelic weapons

Not sufficient tbh.

Lute can continue living if you cut her head off with a normal knife

Don't think so, even their regeneration doesn't seem sufficient enough for that.

UES exists

If you saw my very first CRT, I argued UES for Angels, but everyone ignored it.

Seraphim’s should have 4-A creation

Yes.

Heaven and Hell are universes because of that one statement and Hell having different skies depending in the ring

In size? Yes. In space-time? Unless Vivziepop explains the space containing them is higher-dimensional or implies it, then no.

 

[ShionAH]

I think people misunderstand me, when I said Lute can live after decapitation I don’t mean eventually heal a body. I meant living as a head. So basically Lute having busted Immortality 2 or just 5.

Where does the argument come from?

Angelic Weapons purifying the soul also lets out the “evilness” of that being.

 

[Comiphorous]

I think people misunderstand me, when I said Lute can live after decapitation I don’t mean eventually heal a body. I meant living as a head. So basically Lute having busted Immortality 2 or just 5.

Yeah but where does that come from.