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Lord of the Rings Discussion Thread

DaReaperMan said:
If you give Aragorn his murder High 7-A sword, you give Gazef the treasures meaning he doesn't burn himself out in like ten minutes because Martial Arts spam does that to people.
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Ah, but consider! A manly and honourable warrior like Gazef would naturally lock blades with Aragorn and get Razor Edge broken and bisected 10/10 times fr.
 
Actually, how would that work? Any blade kept in Aragorn's sheath is said to be invulnerable. How does that ability interact with dura-neg?
 
Tyranno223 said:
Actually, how would that work? Any blade kept in Aragorn's sheath is said to be invulnerable. How does that ability interact with dura-neg?
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Technically Ainz is invulnerable to attacks below a certain level, Gazef is below that level, but Calcium is on record saying Razor Edge can actually kill him.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Technically Ainz is invulnerable to attacks below a certain level, Gazef is below that level, but Calcium is on record saying Razor Edge can actually kill him.
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And before you say this sounds like Low 7-C AP and not durability negation, I agree! Blame Bambu.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Technically Ainz is invulnerable to attacks below a certain level, Gazef is below that level, but Calcium is on record saying Razor Edge can actually kill him.
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Yeah, but Ainz is still in the same tier as Gazef at least and Galadriel is, at least here, a far more powerful sorceror (raw power wise). It couldn't even harm the Dark Young either and Ainz could grab it with his bare hands, so it's clearly not that amazing of a dura-neg.

Edit: Posted this before seeing the other one.
 
Tyranno223 said:
Yeah, but Ainz is still in the same tier as Gazef at least and Galadriel is, at least here, a far more powerful sorceror (raw power wise). It couldn't even harm the Dark Young either and Ainz could grab it with his bare hands, so it's clearly not that amazing of a dura-neg.

Edit: Posted this before seeing the other one.
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Yep. Though to be fair, in the case of Ainz grabbing it it was a literal shit-tier soldier doing it and not a 9-A.
 
Made a Thread:
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Lord Of The Rings: Subsonic+ Upgrade Third Age

So recently, this calc got accepted: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LegendariumOfLies/Lord_Of_The_Rings:_THE_SOOBSONIC_IS_REAL The context of this calc is Bandobras "the Bullroarer" Took - a large hobbit (which means he was 4 feet 9 inches), but otherwise unimpressive hobbit - hit...
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Where does the movie version of Durin's Bane's stats come from? I don't see any calcs on his profile.
 
This keeps being brought up whenever Eru enters discussion:

"Eru literally could not destroy sauron's soul," "That contradicts him being Tier 0"

Is there any explanation to refute this?
 
Hsharpe said:
This keeps being brought up whenever Eru enters discussion:

"Eru literally could not destroy sauron's soul," "That contradicts him being Tier 0"

Is there any explanation to refute this?
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There's two options. One is that he is a logical omnipotent, and that Eru cannot do contradictory things (which is accepted in Tier 0). Why is that the case? Because Eru is also the sustainer and the one who guarantees the inviolability of souls with a free-will. To destroy them is contradictory, it would be doing two opposite things at once (like the question of can God make a stone even He can't lift. It's a nonsense question to a logical omnipotent).

The alternative is to kinda just take that statement as PIS or whatever it's called. Why? Because Tolkien also describes God as being able to bypass His own foundations. This would make him an Omnipotent that can do contradictory things (also okay for Tier 0).

For the record I addressed this back in the Tier 0 thread. See Below.



Above the Sub-creators is God, who is quite literally unbound by any limits, not even His own. Compared to Him, they, and thus all the infinite possibilities that can arise from them, are but “refracted light” from a “single White”.

...though the Holy Spirit may send the fire down somewhere else. God cannot be limited (even by his own Foundations)... and may use any channel for His grace. – Letter 250

  • He may be a Logical Omnipotent however, depending on certain lines.
    • The indestructibility of spirits with free wills, even by the Creator of them, is also an inevitable feature, if one either believes in their existence, or feigns it in a story– Letter 211
      • This is logical as Eru is also the sustainer of soul with free-wills, but this in turn also contradicts Eru being able to ignore His own foundations. Ultimately, it matters little since logical omnipotence is okay for Tier 0.


See also

He must as Author always remain 'outside' the Drama, even though that Drama depends on His design and His will for its beginning and continuance, in every detail and moment. Finrod therefore thinks that He will, when He comes, have to be both 'outside' and inside; and so he glimpses the possibility of complexity or of distinctions in the nature of Eru, which nonetheless leaves Him 'The One'. - Morgoth's Ring: ATHRABETH FINROD AH ANDRETH The Debate of Finrod and Andreth

And

Free Will is derivative, and is.'. only operative within provided circumstances; but in order that it may exist, it is necessary that the Author should guarantee it, whatever betides : sc. when it is 'against His Will', as we say, at any rate as it appears on a finite view. He does not stop or make 'unreal' sinful acts and their consequences. - Letter 153
 
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Please explain the exact full sentences that you want to write there please. it has to make internal logical sense for visitors. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Please explain the exact full sentences that you want to write there please. it has to make internal logical sense for visitors. 🙏
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Mostly the same as the current description

At least Wall level+, possibly Small Building level (Superior to virtually every mortal warrior that participated in the War of the Ring, being unharmed in all major battles such as at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. Tolkien also implies that Aragorn is the greatest mortal of the War of the Ring by stating that among mortals, "not even Aragorn" could withhold the One Ring from Sauron), possibly Small City level to Mountain level, likely far higher (Aragorn possesses a greater share of the Númenórean blessings than any named character for the past 2,000 years. This should put him above lesser Númenóreans/Dúnedain such as Boromir the Steward, who is stated to have inspired fear in the Witch-King and is implied to have survived a direct duel with the Nazgûl. The Unfinished Tales note that, had Aragorn been present during the attack of the Nine upon Sarn Ford, the Dúnedain might have been able to fend them off, implying his comparability to them. Further manuscripts of the "Hunt for the Ring" state the Witch-King feared Aragorn as a "great power"

The Nazgûl would also need a wording change to "possibly".

Possibly for Aragorn is from scaling to a character who likely fought and survived a direct encounter with the Witch-King (who is outright in the listed tiers) and being stated as potentially being able to have changed the results of the Battle at Sarn Ford if he was there (implying he could have fought off the Nine alongside the Dúnedain).

Possibly for The Nazgûl is by downscaling from Gandalf the Grey and Glorfindel.
 
Thank you. It seems better than the current version, but it looks somewhat inappropriate to use the word "possibly" twice following each other.

Nevertheless, in lack of better options, you can apply it if you wish. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Thank you. It seems better than the current version, but it looks somewhat inappropriate to use the word "possibly" twice following each other.

Nevertheless, in lack of better options, you can apply it if you wish. 🙏
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I suppose the only alternative would be "likely", but I'm unsure if that would be an inappropriate jump.

I'll apply it when I have time then. Thanks for the response!
 
Thank you for helping out. 🙏
 
Hey, lemme ask two things:

-If someone has a vulnerability to Holy Magic, being the thing needed to permanently kill them, would Aragorn, one of the Dúnedain/Númenóreans, be able to end them?

-The foe being this guy and every part involved being considered to be at 7-A, would Aragorn need Gandalf or would the 2v1 be stomp-ish?
 
I recommend not using the guy who uses unescabable murders in-character when there's multiple people...
 
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