Storm Beyond the Blackboard: Zeus Vs. Mister Shapley (Killer Nhazul Vs. The Edgyverse) (0-0-2)

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

RULES: Speed Equalized. Zeus is Base Key only. No outside help (no other gods, pantheons, no Paper School staff, no “Craftsman” interference). both are in-character. Battle takes place on the moon. Starting distance is 50 Meters.

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Zeus: @AppleMaker

Mister Shapley: 0

Inconclusive: @TheBoxofIncidents, @Username_uhhhIdontknow, @FlipLaScript

 

[TheBoxofIncidents]

Now let me gather my thoughts on this Matchup.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

I know nothing about this shapely dude, looking at both profiles tho.

Zeus learns everything about his opponent on a "soul-based level." Since Zeus can absorb the souls and abilities of those he fights, he can theoretically "out-scale" Shapley during the battle by consuming the very cosmic energy Shapley uses. Mister Shapley needs to bypass Zeus’s immortality. However, Zeus resists Void Manipulation, Existence Erasure, and Soul Manipulation. Sadly, Shapley doesn’t have a shown feat of killing a being that exists outside the concepts of time and space (does he?)

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Now let me gather my thoughts on this Matchup.

Oke

 

[TheBoxofIncidents]

I know nothing about this shapely dude, looking at both profiles tho.

Zeus learns everything about his opponent on a "soul-based level." Since Zeus can absorb the souls and abilities of those he fights, he can theoretically "out-scale" Shapley during the battle by consuming the very cosmic energy Shapley uses. Mister Shapley needs to bypass Zeus’s immortality. However, Zeus resists Void Manipulation, Existence Erasure, and Soul Manipulation. Sadly, Shapley doesn’t have a shown feat of killing a being that exists outside the concepts of time and space (does he?)

Shapley wouldn't posses a soul, as the variants controlled by him are metal proxies/avatars controlled by the true Shapley and because of his Inorganic Physiology Type 2.
So a lot of Zeus' soul abilities—like the one you just mentioned—like properties wouldn't functionally work on the being.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Shapley wouldn't posses a soul, as the variants controlled by him are metal proxies/avatars controlled by the true Shapley and because of his Inorganic Physiology Type 2.

Ah, yes, of course!

Oh—Zeus can interact with structures that contain "independent physics systems." This suggests he isn't limited to any biological or soul-bearing targets, like ghosts/entities.

So a lot of Zeus' soul abilities—like the one you just mentioned—like properties wouldn't functionally work on the being.

Even without a soul in the proxy, Zeus can "access the minds or essences of others across time." Which means he doesn't need to touch a soul to learn how Shapley works so he can instead read the "essence" of the being controlling the machine, or just destroy his mind.

Even if he is fighting a proxy, Zeus can retroactively rewrite cause and effect. So this way, he can land a punch on the Proxy (Effect) that damages the True Form (Cause)

 

[TheBoxofIncidents]

Ah, yes, of course!

Oh—Zeus can interact with structures that contain "independent physics systems." This suggests he isn't limited to any biological or soul-bearing targets, like ghosts/entities.

Even without a soul in the proxy, Zeus can "access the minds or essences of others across time." Which means he doesn't need to touch a soul to learn how Shapley works so he can instead read the "essence" of the being controlling the machine, or just destroy his mind.

Even if he is fighting a proxy, Zeus can retroactively rewrite cause and effect. So this way, he can land a punch on the Proxy (Effect) that damages the True Form (Cause)

Right, but would Zeus be able to physically harm him at all?

According to his attack potency, it states:

Zeus restored the Halls of Chronos, a divine multiverse containing over 1,000 separate timelines and universes, each with their own laws of time, space, and fate. He also stabilized the Sky-Realm Rings, twelve reality-loops each holding a space-time continuum, after one shattered and nearly caused a chain collapse. He later rebuilt an entire destroyed universe from scratch using divine lightning energy.

And towards Shapley's profile, it states:

A fun fact directly stated by Mister Shapley is that 1 million universes dissappear every second.

While I'm uncertain about the rest of the stuff, Shapley by default has the advantage in Attack Potency and by extension durability, and with his true form being superior towards his proxies, this establishes a gap between power (unless I'm like hella stupid cuz im js focusing on Universe stuff)

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Right, but would Zeus be able to physically harm him at all?

Is interacting with fate itself count? Or even just a system

According to his attack potency, it states:

And towards Shapley's profile, it states:

While I'm uncertain about the rest of the stuff, Shapley by default has the advantage in Attack Potency and by extension durability, and with his true form being superior towards his proxies, this establishes a gap between power (unless I'm like hella stupid cuz im js focusing on Universe stuff)

Zeus has survived existence erasure that was "beyond erasure" and can regenerate from near-total destruction. Including having his memories, mind, and soul(s) erased.

and with Acuaslity, Zeus is unaffected by changes to timelines or cause-and-effect, making many of Shapley's alterations irrelevant to him. Zeus could just erase Shapley too. It also states on his speed that there is “1,000+” timelines, so we don’t know the actual number, but eh. Shapley can exist in a Void, but Zeus’s voids are specifically designed to bypass conventional durability/defensives and erase the target's essence entirely. Zeus is a master tactician who will immediately understand Shapley's "True Form" mechanics with a superior IQ, I don’t see Shapley destroying him soon

 

[TheBoxofIncidents]

Is interacting with fate itself count? Or even just a system

Zeus has survived existence erasure that was "beyond erasure" and can regenerate from near-total destruction. Including having his memories, mind, and soul(s) erased.

and with Acuaslity, Zeus is unaffected by changes to timelines or cause-and-effect, making many of Shapley's alterations irrelevant to him. Zeus could just erase Shapley too. It also states on his speed that there is “1,000+” timelines, so we don’t know the actual number, but eh. Shapley can exist in a Void, but Zeus’s voids are specifically designed to bypass conventional durability/defensives and erase the target's essence entirely. Zeus is a master tactician who will immediately understand Shapley's "True Form" mechanics with a superior IQ, I don’t see Shapley destroying him soon

Well with that then, I'll be giving my vote for Zeus.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Well with that then, I'll be giving my vote for Zeus.

Counted and same here

 

[FlipLaScript]

Gonna jump to shapely's defense here with the argument that works on nearly all of Karuu's high-tiers:

Are there even scans for a lot of this more powerful stuff Zeus has? The answer is...yes, but only for about half of the stuff, the rest is just non-existant

I could actually find 2 different immortality scans for Zeus, but one of them is reincarnation (non-applicable type 4 immortality) and the other is baseline regenerating from EE, which is usually Low-Godly without additional context.

Zeus’s voids are specifically designed to bypass conventional durability/defensives and erase the target's essence entirely.

they dont negate immortality, the voids themselves seem to have existence erasure and an unknown level of regeneration negation attached but not much else. It's also specified that Zeus likes to fight long-distance here...

Zeus is a master tactician who will immediately understand Shapley's "True Form" mechanics with a superior IQ, I don’t see Shapley destroying him soon

There's quite a few things that contradict Zeus having omnicient IQ. Damein straight-up stated that they managed to seal Zeus at one point before he escaped. Wouldnt a person with omnicient IQ know that he's going to get trapped? Similarly, Damien was able to attack Zeus in chapter 0 - implied to be several times, and Zeus got himself trapped in the void despite the fact that according to IQ he should know how to escape it (he straight-up states "I cant leave").

Im gonna hop off here so I dont spend too much time with this, but Zeus is incredibly wanked. In fact, so is a fair amount of Karuu's stories, especially the high-tiers (it's why I added references when I was trying to help). It's the only reason I'm neutral for both Killer Nhazul and The Last Contestant, as everything does have potential but story should be priority over strength. And it isnt at the moment...

Dawn, for future reference in this thread, here's the link to chapter 0 and here's the link for karuu's blog posts that have a bit more Zeus lore

 

[TheBoxofIncidents]

Gonna jump to shapely's defense here with the argument that works on nearly all of Karuu's high-tiers:

Are there even scans for a lot of this more powerful stuff Zeus has? The answer is...yes, but only for about half of the stuff, the rest is just non-existant

I could actually find 2 different immortality scans for Zeus, but one of them is reincarnation (non-applicable type 4 immortality) and the other is baseline regenerating from EE, which is usually Low-Godly without additional context.


they dont negate immortality, the voids themselves seem to have existence erasure and an unknown level of regeneration negation attached but not much else. It's also specified that Zeus likes to fight long-distance here...



There's quite a few things that contradict Zeus having omnicient IQ. Damein straight-up stated that they managed to seal Zeus at one point before he escaped. Wouldnt a person with omnicient IQ know that he's going to get trapped? Similarly, Damien was able to attack Zeus in chapter 0 - implied to be several times, and Zeus got himself trapped in the void despite the fact that according to IQ he should know how to escape it (he straight-up states "I cant leave").

Im gonna hop off here so I dont spend too much time with this, but Zeus is incredibly wanked. In fact, so is a fair amount of Karuu's stories, especially the high-tiers (it's why I added references when I was trying to help). It's the only reason I'm neutral for both Killer Nhazul and The Last Contestant, as everything does have potential but story should be priority over strength. And it isnt at the moment...

Dawn, for future reference in this thread, here's the link to chapter 0 and here's the link for karuu's blog posts that have a bit more Zeus lore

That must've been on my behalf not knowing much about Zeus's background or anything relating, so naturally I took whatever was at face value.
I'm pulling back my vote for Zeus until then.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

That must've been on my behalf not knowing much about Zeus's background or anything relating, so naturally I took whatever was at face value.
I'm pulling back my vote for Zeus until then.

I agree

 

[AppleMaker]

Zeus FRA

 

[FlipLaScript]

(this is the last response here minus voting I SWEAR)

Looking at shapely's page and the info I gave on zeus...are these 2 even capable of hurting each other? Neither can negate each other's immortality with the stuff they have, especially since most of the fighting is between avatars and not either's true forms. This looks like an incon match from what I can tell :0

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

(this is the last response here minus voting I SWEAR)

Looking at shapely's page and the info I gave on zeus...are these 2 even capable of hurting each other? Neither can negate each other's immortality with the stuff they have, especially since most of the fighting is between avatars and not either's true forms. This looks like an incon match from what I can tell :0

Knew it… I should’ve realized

 

[TheBoxofIncidents]

(this is the last response here minus voting I SWEAR)

Looking at shapely's page and the info I gave on zeus...are these 2 even capable of hurting each other? Neither can negate each other's immortality with the stuff they have, especially since most of the fighting is between avatars and not either's true forms. This looks like an incon match from what I can tell :0

Doesn't seem half bad.
Zeus can't hurt the true Shapley and Shapley can't hurt Zeus'
Voting incon.

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Doesn't seem half bad.
Zeus can't hurt the true Shapley and Shapley can't hurt Zeus'
Voting incon.

I agree

 

[FlipLaScript]

Incon FRA then :3

 

[Username_uhhhIdontknow]

Grace