Minor Ninjago god tier question

[Ghengiroo115]

Is there any reason Ninjago god tiers are “at least Low 1-C, likely far higher”? Skimming through the cosmology page I couldn’t see anything that justified that, and Lord Garmadon doesn’t have that upscaling part on his Low 1-C keys, so I wondered if it was just a leftover from them being 2-C or if there’s a real reason.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Loads of Gods Tiers upscales far above people who scale to cosmology, has forms far higher than previous ones who scales to it and others where we only saw the bare minimum of their power (especially people like Spectralfang, USM Lloyd, Golden Master, Dragon Core Lloyd and FSM, Golden Oni Lloyd). Oh and nearly all of them outscales Oni Garmadon, some very badly

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Loads of Gods Tiers upscales far above people who scale to cosmology, has forms far higher than previous ones who scales to it and others where we only saw the bare minimum of their power (especially people like Spectralfang, USM Lloyd, Golden Master, Dragon Core Lloyd and FSM, Golden Oni Lloyd). Oh and nearly all of them outscales Oni Garmadon

Just wanna preface this by saying I’ve watched the first 10 seasons of Ninjago multiple times, but haven’t watched anything past that yet so for them I’m only relying on what the profiles say.

From what I understand with “at least” and “likely higher” ratings, they’re for characters who either got vaguely much stronger since they scaled to a certain feat, or are for characters that can stomp other characters on that rating’s level.

Reading through all the profiles and their justifications, I saw that characters like the Dragon Form Ninjas and Oni Garmadon were getting their scaling from Crystal King, who currently gets his scaling from being at least comparable to Dragon Form Overlord, however they don’t have an “at least/likely far higher” rating like Golden Oni Lloyd does. While Golden Oni Lloyd and Crystal King are stronger than the other characters, they can’t be an “at least” level gap apart since the other characters still scale to them. I think either the Dragon and Oni forms should all be “at least/likely far higher”, or the characters who are already “at least/likely far higher” should have that part removed.

There’s another thing I noticed: both FSM and Lloyd’s profiles mention how the FSM needed the Dragon Cores to stop the Mergequake as he couldn’t do it with his own power. If the FSM can’t stop an event that threatens a 5-D multiverse, an “at least/far higher” doesn’t seem entirely accurate to me as that implies he’s at least 5-D but could be 6-D or higher.

Tbh this entire thing is a lot of semantics, but I can be a stickler for consistency so I wanted to bring it up.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Just wanna preface this by saying I’ve watched the first 10 seasons of Ninjago multiple times, but haven’t watched anything past that yet so for them I’m only relying on what the profiles say.

From what I understand with “at least” and “likely higher” ratings, they’re for characters who either got vaguely much stronger since they scaled to a certain feat, or are for characters that can stomp other characters on that rating’s level.

Reading through all the profiles and their justifications, I saw that characters like the Dragon Form Ninjas and Oni Garmadon were getting their scaling from Crystal King, who currently gets his scaling from being at least comparable to Dragon Form Overlord, however they don’t have an “at least/likely far higher” rating like Golden Oni Lloyd does. While Golden Oni Lloyd and Crystal King are stronger than the other characters, they can’t be an “at least” level gap apart since the other characters still scale to them. I think either the Dragon and Oni forms should all be “at least/likely far higher”, or the characters who are already “at least/likely far higher” should have that part removed.

The Oni Forms should be upgraded to "at least" then, because the gap between Oni Form Lloyd and Oni Form Garmadon is quite big

There’s another thing I noticed: both FSM and Lloyd’s profiles mention how the FSM needed the Dragon Cores to stop the Mergequake as he couldn’t do it with his own power. If the FSM can’t stop an event that threatens a 5-D multiverse, an “at least/far higher” doesn’t seem entirely accurate to me as that implies he’s at least 5-D but could be 6-D or higher.

Base FSM scales to the Balance who's a 5D Multiverse wide thing. Merge scales higher than this

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Base FSM scales to the Balance who's a 5D Multiverse wide thing. Merge scales higher than this

True yeah, I missed the part about him scaling to the Balance and nothing says the Merge can’t just scale higher.

I still don’t see the point of an “at least” for the Low 1-C characters though (aside from Source Dragon-related stuff). Thanks to Dragon Armour Wu surviving attacks from Crystal King, the weaker Low 1-C characters not only scale to the Oni Army but also seem to downscale from the FSM-level characters. I don’t see what the FSM-level characters are upscaling from to warrant an “at least” rating.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

True yeah, I missed the part about him scaling to the Balance and nothing says the Merge can’t just scale higher.

I still don’t see the point of an “at least” for the Low 1-C characters though (aside from Source Dragon-related stuff). Thanks to Dragon Armour Wu surviving attacks from Crystal King, the weaker Low 1-C characters not only scale to the Oni Army but also seem to downscale from the FSM-level characters. I don’t see what the FSM-level characters are upscaling from to warrant an “at least” rating.

If we take into account Unagami's existence and the fact FSM is stomp lvl above him, he too should get the "at least" ratings tho

 

[Ghengiroo115]

If we take into account Unagami's existence and the fact FSM is stomp lvl above him, he too should get the "at least" ratings tho

Unagami is just one realm though, while FSM’s power is Multiverse-wide. I feel FSM could realistically stomp him just through his own feats.

 

[AigerTheKing]

A bit off topic, but why is the same guy always hiding in his likes inside Ninjago threads? (Check the OP)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Unagami is just one realm though, while FSM’s power is Multiverse-wide. I feel FSM could realistically stomp him just through his own feats.

Isn't that still far above a Low 1-C baseline? Besides, even when talking about the Multiverse itself, he scales to DF Overlord, who's above a spirit form Overlord who scales to the Realms

 

[Ghengiroo115]

A bit off topic, but why is the same guy always hiding in his likes inside Ninjago threads? (Check the OP)

Sometimes I’ll like a thread but never bother to interact with it, so maybe it’s like that?

Isn't that still far above a Low 1-C baseline? Besides, even when talking about the Multiverse itself, he scales to DF Overlord, who's above a spirit form Overlord who scales to the Realms

From how I’ve always understood the “at least” and “likely higher” stuff, it’s for characters who are much stronger than a certain tier and could potentially be a higher one, only there’s no exact tier to place them in (that seems to be how the Attack Potency page describes it as well). With the Low 1-C Ninjago characters, saying they’re at least Low 1-C implies that they’re so far above the 5-D part of the cosmology that they could potentially be 6-D or higher, but they don’t seem to have anything like that from what I could see on the profiles.

As for Dragon Overlord > Spirit Overlord, idk. Currently the Wiki considers SO to have Unknown stats outside of Low 1-C durability, which seems more due to his state of being rather than anything else. I’m not sure if DO would be that much stronger than SO’s durability or not. Even if he was though I don’t think the difference would be a tier’s worth.

(I’m also like 50% sure the scan used for SO’s durability isn’t allowed any more since it’s a Twitter statement, but I think the “existing as part of the balance” thing was mentioned in the show anyway so it probably just needs replacing instead of removing)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Sometimes I’ll like a thread but never bother to interact with it, so maybe it’s like that?


From how I’ve always understood the “at least” and “likely higher” stuff, it’s for characters who are much stronger than a certain tier and could potentially be a higher one, only there’s no exact tier to place them in (that seems to be how the Attack Potency page describes it as well). With the Low 1-C Ninjago characters, saying they’re at least Low 1-C implies that they’re so far above the 5-D part of the cosmology that they could potentially be 6-D or higher, but they don’t seem to have anything like that from what I could see on the profiles.

As for Dragon Overlord > Spirit Overlord, idk. Currently the Wiki considers SO to have Unknown stats outside of Low 1-C durability, which seems more due to his state of being rather than anything else. I’m not sure if DO would be that much stronger than SO’s durability or not. Even if he was though I don’t think the difference would be a tier’s worth.

Well "Far higher" doesn't necesserally mean "tier higher difference". It can also be used for high power gap between a char and another. In our case, DF Overlord is at the very least upscaling from Spirit Form, but still far stronger than him in durability (He is also affected by the verse's UES)

At least​

Should be used to denote the lower cap of a character, if the exact value is indeterminate.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Well "Far higher" doesn't necesserally mean "tier higher difference". It can also be used for high power gap between a char and another. In our case, DF Overlord is at the very least upscaling from Spirit Form, but still far stronger than him in durability (He is also affected by the verse's UES)

If there’s a massive gap between SO and DO then at least Low 1-C would be accurate, but far higher doesn’t seem necessary.

I think I’ll make a quick thread regarding this soon, to both change the phrasing and to give the DF Ninjas and DA Wu level characters the same phrasing as Crystal King since they downscale from him.

 

[Hellformer]

A bit off topic, but why is the same guy always hiding in his likes inside Ninjago threads? (Check the OP)

He does the same in Ben 10 threads. Just a way of copium yk.