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Dad… I’m feeling Like a Dragon (revision)

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A small revision to quickly bring the verse as up to date as possible before Kiwami 3 comes out, so we can maybe gain momentum for future CRTs. Credit to this guy (and a few others). A majority of the scans were taken from a doc he sent in that one discord server lol.

Gotta start off with Kiryu. Here's the new profile for him, not that there’s much to change- the old one already has tons of text on it. It’s just lacking scans and other stuff from newer games. But to be a bit more specific:
  • Revamped/tweaked his PnA, Intelligence, and Notable Techniques sections, mainly the first two. Removed Techniques Without Heat and some others, as they were a bit redundant.
  • Added bullet points for PnA because a lot of people can’t handle walls of text (skill issue)
  • Tried to add as many scans as possible.
  • Quite a lot of new abilities and resistances were added, along with new tabbers for Gaiden and IW and all that. Some notable ones include Analytical Prediction, Subjective Reality, or additional Heat abilities. A few of these will also apply to other characters, which I’ll mention later below.
  • Updated his statistics. A 2x AP and SS with Dragon Spirit and Extreme Heat Mode, based on the fact that Brawler Style can counter opponents dealing twice the damage, and Extreme Heat Mode should be at least within that amplification range. Hypersonic+ with Heat, as with the current speed scaling values, any noticeable speed amp should be more than enough to reach the baseline of the next tier at that point.
There’s also some Dead Souls stuff included. And to be clear, Dead Souls is canon, kind of, given Kiryu’s statements that "everything was just so vivid" and that it was a "memory from an alternate universe" along with the fact that Dead Souls still takes place after Yakuza 4. So I think it’s probably fine to use some material from it for mainline Kiryu, at least for abilities that are innate to him (like shooting skills and the like).

Ichiban's Subjective Reality and sub abilities addition

Despite being claimed as "imaginary", Ichiban’s perception has been shown to affect the real world to some extent, as there are objects visible during his fights that also exist in reality, Ex: Ichiban receives a golden squid tentacle as a reward after defeating the Game Master, a giant golden squid, even though everyone else confirms the entire event was just a dream sort of way. There’s also the fact that
Despite being claimed as "imaginary", Ichiban’s perception has been shown to affect the real world to some extent, as it is "infectious" to Kiryu. Despite lacking Ichiban’s JRPG mindset and is clearly not delusional, he still explicitly experiences combat through this same kind of vision, describing it as "seeing what a hero would see"
There are also some hax that come from the thing above. Some of them are already on Ichiban’s pfp, so this is kind of just a rewording I guess:
IW Kiryu gets all of these as well, thanks to Ichiban’s influence.

Heat abilities addition/reword

Heat
grants the following abilities: Aura, Energy Manipulation, Chi Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Rage Power & Healing (Heat is an energy/aura connected to one’s body, mind, willpower, soul and chi. It can be used to enhance the body’s limits, making the user stronger, faster, and more durable, as well as allowing them to heal mid-fight. One can also determine someone’s power level through Heat’s aura)

For bosses that didn’t show healing, we should just slap a Likely/Possibly on it instead of completely disregarding it, since Heat seems to be a power system that people in Yakuza generally have, considering there’s an equipment that takes Heat from any opponent.

Applies to everyone except this bear.

Abilities addition for Majima
Regeneration & Healing upgrades
Limited Subjective Reality for Saejima and Akiyama
Accelerated Development for the Amon
Range upgrades and Extrasensory Perception for Yagami
Hirose's Steam Manipulation removal
 
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New profile looks: Looks great, thanks for sparing me a ton of effort I'd have to spend in March after my edit ban gets removed.

Gaiden: As for Gaiden, his thread stuff should be in his equipment list. Maybe make a third set of tabbers specifying "Main equipment" and "Consumables".

Dead Souls: This I disagree with. Kiryu's statement of it being a dream pretty much confirms it. It's just an easter egg nod.

Subjective Reality: This one I am not sold on. AFAIK, the squid DLC is a post-game thing, inaccessible during the main story. The main story stuff could be fine tho. Use that instead.

Ability additions in YLAD and LAD- IW: For the abilities, you should prolly make a list and add screenshots or gifs to the wiki itself instead of linking to off-site links which have shoddy preservation.

Majima additions: Seems fine.

Saejima: Not too sure, maybe Limited Subjective Reality?

Regen: I guess Mid-Low should work.

AD for Amon: This is fine.

Range upgrades for Yagami: Yeah this is fine.

Hirose Steam Manip removal: Yeah this is good too.
 
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Seems fine to me, along with a couple suggestions.

-Akiyama should also get limited subjective reality, as he can use it to imagine Hana into his office to complete substories that require her.

-Yagami should get enhanced senses for being able to see and talk to ghosts

And ig in the future there could be some calcs for all the 7/IW heat actions like the volcano eruption or windstorm fan, since enemies can tank those.
 
And ig in the future there could be some calcs for all the 7/IW heat actions like the volcano eruption or windstorm fan, since enemies can tank those.
Surface area would nuke the viability of those feats.
 
-Akiyama should also get limited subjective reality, as he can use it to imagine Hana into his office to complete substories that require her.
Isn’t that just him reminiscing about her though? I mean, both he and the game literally say that, so it seems like it’s meant to be him recalling the times when he did substories with her or smth.
-Yagami should get enhanced senses for being able to see and talk to ghosts
Would actually be Extrasensory Perception. Lemme add that.
 
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Isn’t that just him reminiscing about her though? I mean, both he and the game literally say that, so it seems like it’s meant to be him recalling the times when he did substories with her or smth.
Some of the substories require her actually calling people, so it seems to have a tangible effect on the world.

Surface area would nuke the viability of those feats.
Laser too?
 
Some of the substories require her actually calling people, so it seems to have a tangible effect on the world.
I’m not really questioning the effects, but rather whether it’s just him reminiscing about his time with her and the substories, since that’s what it seems meant to be, rather than him actually creating an imaginary version of her?
 
I’m not really questioning the effects, but rather whether it’s just him reminiscing about his time with her and the substories, since that’s what it seems meant to be, rather than him actually creating an imaginary version of her?
The problem is you can do this before even doing some of the substories, and you can’t do it with substories you’ve already completed.
 
The problem is you can do this before even doing some of the substories, and you can’t do it with substories you’ve already completed.
Took me a bit to get what you meant. It’s still kind of weird to me but I’ll add it anyway I guess.
 
A small revision to quickly bring the verse as up to date as possible before Kiwami 3 comes out, so we can maybe gain momentum for future CRTs. Credit to this guy (and a few others). A majority of the scans were taken from a doc he sent in that one discord server lol.

Gotta start off with Kiryu. Here's the new profile for him, not that there’s much to change- the old one already has tons of text on it. It’s just lacking scans and other stuff from newer games. But to be a bit more specific:
  • Revamped/tweaked his PnA, Intelligence, and Notable Techniques sections, mainly the first two. Removed Techniques Without Heat and some others, as they were a bit redundant.
  • Added bullet points for PnA because a lot of people can’t handle walls of text (skill issue)
  • Tried to add as many scans as possible.
Sure
  • Updated his statistics. A 2x AP and SS with Dragon Spirit and Extreme Heat Mode, based on the fact that Brawler Style can counter opponents dealing twice the damage, and Extreme Heat Mode should be at least within that amplification range. Hypersonic+ with Heat, as with the current speed scaling values, any noticeable speed amp should be more than enough to reach the baseline of the next tier at that point.
There's probably an argument Kiryu isn't being literal and rather just emphasizing the move's power - this specific figure of speech I've seen used a lot regarding counters in JP media and he's saying it pretty casually (nevermind this is like basically the first training he gets). This isn't like a special technique or whatever he's just using his raw strength mostly.

Moreover though if we ARE saying it's a big fancy technique with a formal multiplier I don't really see the reason to scale his amps above the technique, it's contextual and requires both taking damage and a whole lot of windup, it's not exactly applicable to any attack. An amp being the strongest thing Kiryu has at his disposal doesn't really state it lets him hit harder than anything else in his arsenal.
There’s also some Dead Souls stuff included. And to be clear, Dead Souls is canon, kind of, given Kiryu’s statements that "everything was just so vivid" and that it was a "memory from an alternate universe" along with the fact that Dead Souls still takes place after Yakuza 4. So I think it’s probably fine to use some material from it for mainline Kiryu, at least for abilities that are innate to him (like shooting skills and the like).
Kiryu having memories from another timeline doesn't mean he scales to the skills displayed in it. The same video also shows him doing the same for Ishin and Kenzan and those aren't even Kiryu at all, just different people.
Ichiban's Subjective Reality and sub abilities addition

Despite being claimed as "imaginary", Ichiban’s perception has been shown to affect the real world to some extent, as there are objects visible during his fights that also exist in reality, Ex: Ichiban receives a golden squid tentacle as a reward after defeating the Game Master, a giant golden squid, even though everyone else confirms the entire event was just a dream sort of way. There’s also the fact that
Despite being claimed as "imaginary", Ichiban’s perception has been shown to affect the real world to some extent, as it is "infectious" to Kiryu. Despite lacking Ichiban’s JRPG mindset and is clearly not delusional, he still explicitly experiences combat through this same kind of vision, describing it as "seeing what a hero would see"
There are also some hax that come from the thing above. Some of them are already on Ichiban’s pfp, so this is kind of just a rewording I guess:
IW Kiryu gets all of these as well, thanks to Ichiban’s influence.
Okay surely they're not firing an orbital satellite on Tokyo or Honololu or what have you, Ichiban's vision affecting Kiryu (and seemingly only kiryu, the others don't know what he's talking about) doesn't make everything actually real. I also think the satellite had a tier 7 calc lol
Heat abilities addition/reword

Heat
grants the following abilities: Aura, Energy Manipulation, Chi Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Rage Power & Healing (Heat is an energy/aura connected to one’s body, mind, willpower, soul and chi. It can be used to enhance the body’s limits, making the user stronger, faster, and more durable, as well as allowing them to heal mid-fight. One can also determine someone’s power level through Heat’s aura)

For bosses that didn’t show healing, we should just slap a Likely/Possibly on it instead of completely disregarding it, since Heat seems to be a power system that people in Yakuza generally have, considering there’s an equipment that takes Heat from any opponent.
Is healing something you can do with Heat in any of the games, or just a boss ability in a few of them? Cause I think it should only be given to the people who show they can do it, if it's not universal.
Applies to everyone except this bear.
Rude.
Sure
Is this actually real or an Ichiban situation where it's just what Majima sees after two decades of getting hit in the head by Kiryu? Seems a bit silly even for the Yakuza series.
Regeneration & Healing upgrades
No scars, sure, but these are life-threatening injuries in the story, aren't they? If they need medical help to recover it's not Mid-Low because that'd imply they can just heal that on their own, those aren't instantly lethal injuries modern medicine couldn't heal. I guess you could say Low if they recover much faster than a normal person would but that's that.
Limited Subjective Reality for Saejima and Akiyama
Saejima feels a little game mechanics-y and Akiyama just seems like actual normal reminiscing with no anomalous effects. Possibly fine for Saejima though.
Accelerated Development for the Amon
Range upgrades and Extrasensory Perception for Yagami
Sure
Are the ghosts invisible to other people? Could just be they're visible as a baseline and Yagami isn't special for being able to do this.
Hirose's Steam Manipulation removal
Sure
 
Okay surely they're not firing an orbital satellite on Tokyo or Honololu or what have you, Ichiban's vision affecting Kiryu (and seemingly only kiryu, the others don't know what he's talking about) doesn't make everything actually real. I also think the satellite had a tier 7 calc lol
Amons have dropped their own satellite lasers in crowded cities before, the satellite is a canon reward for becoming the richest guy in Japan which implies Ichiban bought the rights to it, and Kiryu’s vision is specifically noted to only change his perception of the enemies, a perception that is the canon version because Sujimon studies, an official university course in-verse, displays the enemies and their attacks exactly how Ichiban sees them, and you have to answer the questions from the perspective the Sujimon designs are real in order to pass, which shows that Ichiban’s vision is effectively the “true” way to see the world.
Is this actually real or an Ichiban situation where it's just what Majima sees after two decades of getting hit in the head by Kiryu? Seems a bit silly even for the Yakuza series.
No, everyone in the story hypes up these dark god instruments too. The series is just that goofy wacky haha now, for better or worse.
Saejima feels a little game mechanics-y and Akiyama just seems like actual normal reminiscing with no anomalous effects. Possibly fine for Saejima though.
With Akiyama his reminiscing allows him to complete substories which only progress when Hana calls someone or does something on her computer, and these events can happen while Akiyama isn’t in the office to do the task himself.
Are the ghosts invisible to other people? Could just be they're visible as a baseline and Yagami isn't special for being able to do this.
They aren’t visible normally, Ichiban was the only one who could see the ghost girl in 7.
 
Uhhh just to be clear, regarding CRTs the grace period should already be over before Armor comes in I assumed? I’ve already applied the changes to all the pfps, so like- If we need to discuss these again here, should I just remove/change whatever is necessary, or do all of them need to be removed for now?
Is healing something you can do with Heat in any of the games, or just a boss ability in a few of them? Cause I think it should only be given to the people who show they can do it, if it's not universal.
It’s a boss ability in a few games. But to be fair in those games where that mechanic exists, a majority of bosses can use it, taking K1 as an example where some random yakuza dudes or even just street punks are capable of doing so.
For playable characters, you can heal by taunting at the cost of losing Heat in Y0 iirc.
Is this actually real or an Ichiban situation where it's just what Majima sees after two decades of getting hit in the head by Kiryu? Seems a bit silly even for the Yakuza series.
It’s real yuh, being acknowledged by characters and all that. There’s also an actual giant squid bigger than a ship that’s very much real and is the cause of Majima's amnesia, so it’s more that the series has unfortunately become sillier.
Are the ghosts invisible to other people? Could just be they're visible as a baseline and Yagami isn't special for being able to do this.
There are ghosts in Y6 that Kiryu is the only one who can properly interact with if I’m not mistaken, so ghosts in general are probably invisible.
Incredibly courteous*.
 
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Regards Majima summoning, it's all real, he finds the instrument on an island.

Some of Majima attacks are imbued with electric, his daggers which can shock/stun in Y7 and this game. His charged uppercut has electric surging around this arm.

Majima since 5 could summon clones of himself that act independently.
Summon tornadoes by spinning around in Y2 Kiwami.

As some here have already mentioned, he fights a huge squid that summons a large storm.
 
Uhhh just to be clear, regarding CRTs the grace period should already be over before Armor comes in I assumed? I’ve already applied the changes to all the pfps, so like- If we need to discuss these again here, should I just remove/change whatever is necessary, or do all of them need to be removed for now?
If grace was over then it's not un-over yeah. You can keep profiles as is, worst case edit as needed.
It’s a boss ability in a few games. But to be fair in those games where that mechanic exists, a majority of bosses can use it, taking K1 as an example where some random yakuza dudes or even just street punks are capable of doing so.
For playable characters, you can heal by taunting at the cost of losing Heat in Y0 iirc.
Oh okay sure then
No, everyone in the story hypes up these dark god instruments too. The series is just that goofy wacky haha now, for better or worse.
It’s real yuh, being acknowledged by characters and all that. There’s also an actual giant squid bigger than a ship that’s very much real and is the cause of Majima's amnesia, so it’s more that the series has unfortunately become sillier.
Damn.
There are ghosts in Y6 that Kiryu is the only one who can properly interact with if I’m not mistaken, so ghosts in general are probably invisible.
They aren’t visible normally, Ichiban was the only one who could see the ghost girl in 7.
Alright
Amons have dropped their own satellite lasers in crowded cities before, the satellite is a canon reward for becoming the richest guy in Japan which implies Ichiban bought the rights to it
Fair enough.
and Kiryu’s vision is specifically noted to only change his perception of the enemies, a perception that is the canon version because Sujimon studies, an official university course in-verse, displays the enemies and their attacks exactly how Ichiban sees them, and you have to answer the questions from the perspective the Sujimon designs are real in order to pass, which shows that Ichiban’s vision is effectively the “true” way to see the world.
what
With Akiyama his reminiscing allows him to complete substories which only progress when Hana calls someone or does something on her computer, and these events can happen while Akiyama isn’t in the office to do the task himself.
Oh like there's a tangible IRL consequence? Sure then
 
and Kiryu’s vision is specifically noted to only change his perception of the enemies, a perception that is the canon version because Sujimon studies, an official university course in-verse, displays the enemies and their attacks exactly how Ichiban sees them, and you have to answer the questions from the perspective the Sujimon designs are real in order to pass, which shows that Ichiban’s vision is effectively the “true” way to see the world.
Can you elaborate more on this lol (and also add scans so our job of adding it to pfps will be easier if it’s accepted)
 
Sure, actually I have some docs that go over the SR concept, one by me and one by someone else.
People aren’t going to read two massively long docs to evaluate this thread as a whole yk. I meant that you should explain it more clearly here.
 
Alright.

Here's where it's stated only Kiryu's perception of the enemies changed.

Here's the Sujimon Studies class where it shows the Sujimon designs are canon, there is also the Sujimon League where people bring their Sujimon into combat and they also look like the standard battle versions.

If you want any more scans just ask.
 
Alright.

Here's where it's stated only Kiryu's perception of the enemies changed.

Here's the Sujimon Studies class where it shows the Sujimon designs are canon, there is also the Sujimon League where people bring their Sujimon into combat and they also look like the standard battle versions.
I'm not sure canon is the word I'd use. Like I don't see what here implies that this is the one correct way to see the world rather than just other people seeing it the way Kasuga does.
 
The game describes it as “hero’s vision”, and I don’t think the people who made this officially licensed test in a vocational college qualify as true heroes. Especially when combined with stuff like Ichiban manifesting golden squid tentacles in his pocket despite no one else seeing the golden squid.
 
The game describes it as “hero’s vision”
While having its tongue firmly planted in cheek, I'm sure.
and I don’t think the people who made this officially licensed test in a vocational college qualify as true heroes.
This in no ways implies Ichiban has accessed some sort of deeper truth of the universe. I can quiz someone on a conspiracy theory we both believe in, that doesn't make it real.
 
This in no ways implies Ichiban has accessed some sort of deeper truth of the universe. I can quiz someone on a conspiracy theory we both believe in, that doesn't make it real.
Even though Ichiban is the only one who could actually see the golden squid who gave its tentacles to him (the tentacles usable in crafting), when everyone else saw it as just a normal human.

And the idea of subjective reality was already established with Akiyama and to a lesser extent Saejima.

And that Sujimon are already an accepted concept in verse to the point you have bootleg Pokemon battles with them where they use the same skills they do in the regular turn based battles.
 
Even though Ichiban is the only one who could actually see the golden squid who gave its tentacles to him (the tentacles usable in crafting), when everyone else saw it as just a normal human.
The Big Swell stuff isn’t really sold on at the start of this thread btw, since it’s a post-game DLC (and also doesn’t fit the timeline ig?). Though, just remembered this but, Ichiban does mention at the end of Pirate Yakuza that he fought a giant squid in Hawaii, wonder if this proves that DLC is canon.
 
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The Big Swell stuff isn’t really sold on at the start of this thread btw, since it’s a post-game DLC (and also doesn’t fit the timeline ig?). Though, just remembered this but, Ichiban does mention at the end of Pirate Yakuza that he fought a giant squid in Hawaii, wonder if this proves that DLC is canon.
It may just be referring to the squid you fight on Nele island, but I maintain Big Swell is acceptable.
 
It may just be referring to the squid you fight on Nele island, but I maintain Big Swell is acceptable.
Oh yeah I completely forgot about that one somehow- how would Big Swell be acceptable in that case though?
 
The Sujimon stuff continues to not make sense to me but either way if you're arguing things are as Ichiban senses that'd be ESP or Info Analysis, not Subjective Reality.
 
Well it’s kinda weird ig, but yeah I suppose it would be ESP, Saejima and Akiyama fall more in line with subjective reality which is why it seemed consistent for Ichiban’s stuff to just be an extension of that.
 
Bump? So the quick changes would just be getting rid of the stats amp, regen going back to Low, and SR becoming ESP am I correct?
 
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