High-End Nomu vs USJ Nomu

[ThiboGaleotti]

On Hood's page, the first High-End Nomu, it says that High-End Nomus are superior to the USJ Nomu, but there's absolutely no proof of that.
High-End Nomus have been described as more powerful than the Upper-Tier Nomus, but the USJ Nomu was different from the other Upper Nomus. The Upper-Tier Nomus were never all presented as being as powerful as All Might, unlike the USJ Nomu.
So I think the scaling of Hood above the USJ Nomu is a mistake.

 

[Arkenis]

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[ThiboGaleotti]

Your gur is blocked, just paste the image address

Just go Chapter 21

 

[TheRustyOne]

On Hood's page, the first High-End Nomu, it says that High-End Nomus are superior to the USJ Nomu, but there's absolutely no proof of that.

Spoiler: USJ Nomu

Chapter 17: "This is his base strength! He's easily as strong as All Might..."

Chapter 18: "So you hoped to drive him into the concrete and seal his movements? It wouldn't have worked. Nomu is as powerful as you."

Chapter 19: Nomu visibly injures All Might with a single punch.

Chapter 21: "After all of the trouble we went through to make him as strong as All Might."

Ultra Archive USJ Nomu: "He overpowers the pro-hero with power rivaling that of All Might."

Ultra Analysis Nomu: "They lack independent thought and cannot act on their own, but with powerful muscular bodies courtesy of the doctor and multiple Quirks granted by All For One, they're strong enough to go toe-to-toe with All Might." Note: I'm not saying all Nomu are All Might level, just that some can be All Might level.

Vigilantes Chapter 125: "I shall command an entity that can face even the mightiest hero head-on and force him to his knee... Through its own individual might."

Spoiler: High-End Nomu

Chapter 221: "They're High-End! Super Nomu I could almost call masterpieces! Impressive, huh? They're my finest work yet!!"

Chapter 262: "Standing above them all are the High-End Nomu, possessing stats beyond those of the Upper-Tier Nomu." (The USJ Nomu is literally being shown.)

Chapter 276: "However, they're still in the testing stage. They can't think on their own. But they're stronger than the Upper-Tier." Note: Despite the official viz translation not saying they're stronger than the Upper-Tier, I can confirm the anime translation is correct. The doctor does say they're stronger than the Upper Tier Nomu.

Ultra Analysis High-End's Strength: "The highest class of Nomu, with more powerful abilities than any other so far." (Literally Word of God stating Hood > USJ Nomu.)

Near High-End's Strength: "Each one's gotta be just as strong as the Nomu in Kyushu!" (That's Hood, who Endeavor fought.)

Spoiler: Incomplete Tomura

Chapter 276: "It's not a Quirk? That's just his strength? That power... It's just like..." Note: Doctor clarifies he's not on par with All Might's true power.

Chapter 276: "Does that mean... He's like a perfect Nomu?" Note: Aizawa compares his strength to the USJ Nomu and High-End that broke his leg.

Chapter 277: "As powerful and sturdy as All Might." and "But as long as I don't blink, that power is all he's got."

Aizawa and Endeavor are reliable gauges for Weakened All Might's strength. They don't know how strong Prime All Might is. However, pretty much everyone saw All Might vs All For One in Kamino, and Aizawa accurately gauged that the USJ Nomu was equal to All Might.

Claiming the USJ Nomu is an outlier and shouldn't be regarded when the High-End statements come up is absurd. The USJ Nomu is never once stated to be stronger than all other Nomu. The OP doesn't even provide proof or scans of the USJ Nomu being different.

The purpose of the Nomu in general was to create something that could bring even All Might to his knees. The High-Ends are the pinnacle of all Nomu.

When Garaki talks about them being superior to all other Nomu, the USJ Nomu is even shown on screen as an example of the Upper-Tier Nomu. The USJ Nomu is not an outlier. It's not some special existence. It's never stated to be. There is another Upper Tier Nomu Horikoshi could've shown if he wanted the USJ Nomu to be an outlier.
The Eyeless Nomu that Endeavor fought in Hosu, during the Hero Killer Arc. However, when Garaki states the High-Ends are superior, we're shown the USJ Nomu.

The High-Ends clearly scale to the USJ Nomu. Attempting to say otherwise ignores literally every statement given about them.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

Spoiler: USJ Nomu

Chapter 17: "This is his base strength! He's easily as strong as All Might..."

Chapter 18: "So you hoped to drive him into the concrete and seal his movements? It wouldn't have worked. Nomu is as powerful as you."

Chapter 19: Nomu visibly injures All Might with a single punch.

Chapter 21: "After all of the trouble we went through to make him as strong as All Might."

Ultra Archive USJ Nomu: "He overpowers the pro-hero with power rivaling that of All Might."

Ultra Analysis Nomu: "They lack independent thought and cannot act on their own, but with powerful muscular bodies courtesy of the doctor and multiple Quirks granted by All For One, they're strong enough to go toe-to-toe with All Might." Note: I'm not saying all Nomu are All Might level, just that some can be All Might level.

Vigilantes Chapter 125: "I shall command an entity that can face even the mightiest hero head-on and force him to his knee... Through its own individual might."

Spoiler: High-End Nomu

Chapter 221: "They're High-End! Super Nomu I could almost call masterpieces! Impressive, huh? They're my finest work yet!!"

Chapter 262: "Standing above them all are the High-End Nomu, possessing stats beyond those of the Upper-Tier Nomu." (The USJ Nomu is literally being shown.)

Chapter 276: "However, they're still in the testing stage. They can't think on their own. But they're stronger than the Upper-Tier." Note: Despite the official viz translation not saying they're stronger than the Upper-Tier, I can confirm the anime translation is correct. The doctor does say they're stronger than the Upper Tier Nomu.

Ultra Analysis High-End's Strength: "The highest class of Nomu, with more powerful abilities than any other so far." (Literally Word of God stating Hood > USJ Nomu.)

Near High-End's Strength: "Each one's gotta be just as strong as the Nomu in Kyushu!" (That's Hood, who Endeavor fought.)

Spoiler: Incomplete Tomura

Chapter 276: "It's not a Quirk? That's just his strength? That power... It's just like..." Note: Doctor clarifies he's not on par with All Might's true power.

Chapter 276: "Does that mean... He's like a perfect Nomu?" Note: Aizawa compares his strength to the USJ Nomu and High-End that broke his leg.

Chapter 277: "As powerful and sturdy as All Might." and "But as long as I don't blink, that power is all he's got."

Aizawa and Endeavor are reliable gauges for Weakened All Might's strength. They don't know how strong Prime All Might is. However, pretty much everyone saw All Might vs All For One in Kamino, and Aizawa accurately gauged that the USJ Nomu was equal to All Might.

Claiming the USJ Nomu is an outlier and shouldn't be regarded when the High-End statements come up is absurd. The USJ Nomu is never once stated to be stronger than all other Nomu. The OP doesn't even provide proof or scans of the USJ Nomu being different.

The purpose of the Nomu in general was to create something that could bring even All Might to his knees. The High-Ends are the pinnacle of all Nomu.

When Garaki talks about them being superior to all other Nomu, the USJ Nomu is even shown on screen as an example of the Upper-Tier Nomu. The USJ Nomu is not an outlier. It's not some special existence. It's never stated to be. There is another Upper Tier Nomu Horikoshi could've shown if he wanted the USJ Nomu to be an outlier.
The Eyeless Nomu that Endeavor fought in Hosu, during the Hero Killer Arc. However, when Garaki states the High-Ends are superior, we're shown the USJ Nomu.

The High-Ends clearly scale to the USJ Nomu. Attempting to say otherwise ignores literally every statement given about them.

Even in his weakened state, All Might remains the top of the pro hero world.
Anyway, I never talked about Prime All Might.
All Might pushed even further beyond his limits against All For One than he did against the USJ Nomu, and he still won.

The USJ Nomu is the first and only Nomu in the entire history of My Hero Academia to have been created with a combat power equal to All Might's.

Saying that Shigaraki is "like" a High-End Nomu does NOT mean that Shigaraki is "equal" to a High-End Nomu.
Besides, Ujiko himself stated that at that point Shigaraki was not yet equal to All Might, debunking Endeavor by the way.
It's only said, in the same way, that he was "like" All Might.
Whereas that same Ujiko insisted on saying that the USJ Nomu WAS "equal to All Might", and not just "strong like All Might".

YES, High-End Nomu (including Hood) are indeed much more powerful than Upper-Tier Nomus... and that's it.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

 

[DailyFairy]

Yeah, I disagree with this for many of the reasons already posted by Rusty

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

You literally made this sound like a versus match btw

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

You literally made this sound like a versus match btw

Didn't have many ideas for a title

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Didn't have many ideas for a title

High End Nomu FRA

 

[TheRustyOne]

Snip.

Garaki was likely talking about Prime All Might. Endeavor and Aizawa stated Shigaraki was equal to All Might. Izuku and Gran Torino offered no objections. Aizawa accurately guessed the strength of the USJ Nomu equally All Might's. Endeavor also accurately guessed that Izuku's 100% was comparable to All Might.

That happened during the Sports Festival. Endeavor saw Izuku flick his fingers to escape Shinso's brainwashing and already noted Izuku's strength. (Thinking about it. That also means Endeavor was admitting Izuku's full power was stronger than himself.)

We know Garaki was likely talking about Prime All Might because all of the other evidence points towards Shigaraki being equal to Weakened All Might.

Garaki NEVER stated Tomura isn't on par with Weakened All Might. He just said All Might in general. You cannot claim he means Weakened All Might without more proof. However, we have proof that Shigaraki is on par with Weakened All Might. You just ignored it.

Ultra Analysis High-End's Strength: "The highest class of Nomu, with more powerful abilities than any other so far." (Literally Word of God stating Hood > USJ Nomu.)

Horikoshi literally wrote that Hood is more powerful than any other Nomu up to that point. You just ignored it. If the USJ Nomu was an outlier, he would've said it there. Instead, he says Hood has more powerful abilities than any other so far. All previous Nomu are weaker.

You claim the USJ Nomu is the only Nomu who reached Weakened All Might's level, but you've provided no proof.

You provide no scans from the manga that says the USJ Nomu is an outlier among the Upper-Tier Nomu.

You've offered no counter to Garaki stating that the High-Ends are more powerful than the Upper-Tier Nomu, while we're shown a picture of the USJ Nomu.

If you want to make anyone change their opinion. You need to provide factual evidence from the manga that claims the USJ Nomu is stronger than the High-Ends and is an outlier among the Upper-Tier Nomu. You've not provided this. The Burden of Proof falls on you.

This thread has been debunked until the OP can actually provide evidence that counters the evidence I've shown.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

“Possessing stats beyond those of the Upper Tier Nomu”

-> USJ Nomu is the one shown to represent Upper Tier Nomu

I sure wonder what this could mean.

Also Aizawa directly compares USJ Nomu to a Near High End that broke his leg. And Garaki says that the NHE’s despite being incomplete are still powerful just lacking intelligence.

Meaning Near High Ends are as strong as USJ Nomu, let alone Hood who was fully complete.

The only thing that made USJ Nomu special was that he had Shock Absorption so All Might didn’t completely decimate him in a fight.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

Garaki was likely talking about Prime All Might. Endeavor and Aizawa stated Shigaraki was equal to All Might. Izuku and Gran Torino offered no objections. Aizawa accurately guessed the strength of the USJ Nomu equally All Might's. Endeavor also accurately guessed that Izuku's 100% was comparable to All Might.

That happened during the Sports Festival. Endeavor saw Izuku flick his fingers to escape Shinso's brainwashing and already noted Izuku's strength. (Thinking about it. That also means Endeavor was admitting Izuku's full power was stronger than himself.)

We know Garaki was likely talking about Prime All Might because all of the other evidence points towards Shigaraki being equal to Weakened All Might.

Garaki NEVER stated Tomura isn't on par with Weakened All Might. He just said All Might in general. You cannot claim he means Weakened All Might without more proof. However, we have proof that Shigaraki is on par with Weakened All Might. You just ignored it.

Ultra Analysis High-End's Strength: "The highest class of Nomu, with more powerful abilities than any other so far." (Literally Word of God stating Hood > USJ Nomu.)

Horikoshi literally wrote that Hood is more powerful than any other Nomu up to that point. You just ignored it. If the USJ Nomu was an outlier, he would've said it there. Instead, he says Hood has more powerful abilities than any other so far. All previous Nomu are weaker.

You claim the USJ Nomu is the only Nomu who reached Weakened All Might's level, but you've provided no proof.

You provide no scans from the manga that says the USJ Nomu is an outlier among the Upper-Tier Nomu.

You've offered no counter to Garaki stating that the High-Ends are more powerful than the Upper-Tier Nomu, while we're shown a picture of the USJ Nomu.

If you want to make anyone change their opinion. You need to provide factual evidence from the manga that claims the USJ Nomu is stronger than the High-Ends and is an outlier among the Upper-Tier Nomu. You've not provided this. The Burden of Proof falls on you.

This thread has been debunked until the OP can actually provide evidence that counters the evidence I've shown.

Ujiko debunked any claim that Incomplete Shigaraki = All Might by literally stating that this wasn’t the case (the scene with Ujiko comes right after Endeavor’s statement, in the same page, so it is indeed a debunking, and both were talking about the same version of All Might). Meanwhile, he confirmed that the USJ Nomu WAS as strong as All Might. It’s not that Izuku raised an objection. He neither approved nor objected. He simply believed Endeavor. As for Gran Torino, he was talking to the other Pro Heroes.

The USJ Nomu is the only Nomu that was ever presented as having been created with power equal to All Might’s, unlike the other Nomus — High-Ends included. So it’s up to you to prove that the USJ Nomu is included in the statement “the High-End Nomus are the most powerful Nomus”.

The thread has not been debunked. You haven’t provided any proof. Factually :

1) The USJ Nomu was All Might’s equal. The version of All Might in question wasn’t specified, but I never claimed it wasn’t referring to Prime All Might. I simply pointed out that a weakened All Might defeated a weakened All For One by pushing his limits even further than he did to overpower the USJ Nomu.

2) The problem with Incomplete Shigaraki is that it was never stated he was equal to the High-End Nomus — only that he resembled them, that’s all. Even if he were indeed comparable to weakened All Might, that doesn’t mean the High-End Nomus were as well. Because, like i said, only USJ Nomu was presented as All Might's equal. If the High-End Nomus were equal to All Might, someone would have mentionned it.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

We've been over this ass-backwards crap so many times.... No, the USJ Nomu is repeatedly, rrepeatedly, repeatedly stated to be inferior to Hood, let alone the other High-Ends.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

“Possessing stats beyond those of the Upper Tier Nomu”

-> USJ Nomu is the one shown to represent Upper Tier Nomu

I sure wonder what this could mean.

Also Aizawa directly compares USJ Nomu to a Near High End that broke his leg. And Garaki says that the NHE’s despite being incomplete are still powerful just lacking intelligence.

Meaning Near High Ends are as strong as USJ Nomu, let alone Hood who was fully complete.

The only thing that made USJ Nomu special was that he had Shock Absorption so All Might didn’t completely decimate him in a fight.

The High-End Nomus are superior to the Upper-Tier Nomus, but only the USJ Nomu was presented as being as strong as All Might, and it is indeed possible that Ujiko was thinking of Prime All Might. Factually, the High-End Nomus have been defeated by characters weaker than All Might, such as Mirko or even Endeavor. Even other pro heroes can hold their own against them.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

We've been over this ass-backwards crap so many times.... No, the USJ Nomu is repeatedly, rrepeatedly, repeatedly stated to be inferior to Hood, let alone the other High-Ends.

No.

Only the others Upper-Tier Nomus are inferiors to Hood. Come back with a statement saying that that Hood is indeed superior to the USJ Nomu because USJ Nomus is not an ordinary Upper-Tier Nomu.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The High-End Nomus are superior to the Upper-Tier Nomus, but only the USJ Nomu was presented as being as strong as All Might, and it is indeed possible that Ujiko was thinking of Prime All Might. Factually, the High-End Nomus have been defeated by characters weaker than All Might, such as Mirko or even Endeavor. Even other pro heroes can hold their own against them.

MIRKO LITERALLY DRAWS BLOOD FROM COMPLETED SHIGARAKI, SHE WOULD SPLIT WEAKENED ALL MIGHT IN HALF WITH THAT SAME ATTACK!

 

[Kingofwolves999]

The High-End Nomus are superior to the Upper-Tier Nomus, but only the USJ Nomu was presented as being as strong as All Might, and it is indeed possible that Ujiko was thinking of Prime All Might. Factually, the High-End Nomus have been defeated by characters weaker than All Might, such as Mirko or even Endeavor. Even other pro heroes can hold their own against them.

Yeah.

And USJ Nomu is right there on panel.

Being called inferior to the High Ends.

Your entire argument is invalid with that panel of them literally calling USJ Nomu inferior to High Ends.

Please tell me why USJ Nomu is on that panel and being called inferior to the High Ends.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

Yeah.

And USJ Nomu is right there on panel.

Being called inferior to the High Ends.

Your entire argument is invalid with that panel of them literally calling USJ Nomu inferior to High Ends.

Please tell me why USJ Nomu is on that panel and being called inferior to the High Ends.

Because fundamentally, he's an Upper-Tier Nomu. But he's the only one presented as being as strong as All Might. You're practically implying that the other Upper-Tier Nomus are comparable to USJ Nomu. I'll repeat myself, but if Hood or the other High-End Nomus were comparable to All Might, why wasn't that mentioned?

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

MIRKO LITERALLY DRAWS BLOOD FROM COMPLETED SHIGARAKI, SHE WOULD SPLIT WEAKENED ALL MIGHT IN HALF WITH THAT SAME ATTACK!

She did WAY worse to the High-End Nomus and, again, even weaker Pro Heroes could fight High-End Nomu

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Because fundamentally, he's an Upper-Tier Nomu. But he's the only one presented as being as strong as All Might. You're practically implying that the other Upper-Tier Nomus are comparable to USJ Nomu. I'll repeat myself, but if Hood or the other High-End Nomus were comparable to All Might, why wasn't that mentioned?

Yeah, he is an upper tier.

And he is stated to be inferior in stats to High Ends.

By people who know he fought Weakened All Might.

Who everyone by this point of the story know is weakened.

So the High Ends are more powerful than Weakened All Might.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

She did WAY worse to the High-End Nomus and, again, even weaker Pro Heroes could fight High-End Nomu

No shit she did worse things to the High-Ends, she slaughtered them and again, was hitting Shiggy so hard that he was bleeding and getting yeeted into the dirt. If she hit Weakened All Might like that he would die.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

Yeah, he is an upper tier.

And he is stated to be inferior in stats to High Ends.

By people who know he fought Weakened All Might.

Who everyone by this point of the story know is weakened.

So the High Ends are more powerful than Weakened All Might.

Nah
Only others Upper-Tier Nomus are inclued in this statement. Not the USJ Nomu because he is the only one presented as as strong as All Might. The High-End Nomu are just the strongest Nomus after USJ Nomu, that's all.
If they were as strong as All Might, again, someone would have mentionned it at least like with Shigaraki

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

No shit she did worse things to the High-Ends, she slaughtered them and again, was hitting Shiggy so hard that he was bleeding and getting yeeted into the dirt. If she hit Weakened All Might like that he would die.

Nah (besides, she was stronger against Shigaraki anyway)

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Nah
Only others Upper-Tier Nomus are inclued in this statement. Not the USJ Nomu because he is the only one presented as as strong as All Might. The High-End Nomu are just the strongest Nomus after USJ Nomu, that's all.
If they were as strong as All Might, again, someone would have mentionned it at least like with Shigaraki

Then why is USJ used to represent an Upper Tier in comparison to being inferior to High Ends

“Someone should’ve said something” isn’t an actual argument. People know All Might was weakened by this point so the scale of All Might’s strength is higher anyway at this point.

 

[Nierre]

On Hood's page, the first High-End Nomu, it says that High-End Nomus are superior to the USJ Nomu, but there's absolutely no proof of that.
High-End Nomus have been described as more powerful than the Upper-Tier Nomus, but the USJ Nomu was different from the other Upper Nomus. The Upper-Tier Nomus were never all presented as being as powerful as All Might, unlike the USJ Nomu.
So I think the scaling of Hood above the USJ Nomu is a mistake.

So I'm a bit confused by your line of thinking.

In this second panel, the narrator mentions that the Nomu are divided into three categories, lower, middle, and upper. And we see three Nomu that are in line with these categorization (from right to left). On the far left we see the USJ Nomu, who's categorized as an upper tiered Nomu. And in the final panel explicitly states that high-end Nomu possess stats beyond the upper tier Nomu (USJ Nomu as pictured).

So what exactly is your argument? That the pictured Nomu to the far left isn't USJ Nomu? Why wouldn't it be? Who else would it be?

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

Then why is USJ used to represent an Upper Tier in comparison to being inferior to High Ends

“Someone should’ve said something” isn’t an actual argument. People know All Might was weakened by this point so the scale of All Might’s strength is higher anyway at this point.

Because every time a character ACTUALLY have a strength on par with All Might's, it was mentionned. Even later, with Complete Shigaraki.

The High-End Nomus never were compared to All Might.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

So I'm a bit confused by your line of thinking.

In this second panel, the narrator mentions that the Nomu are divided into three categories, lower, middle, and upper. And we see three Nomu that are in line with these categorization (from right to left). On the far left we see the USJ Nomu, who's categorized as an upper tiered Nomu. And in the final panel explicitly states that high-end Nomu possess stats beyond the upper tier Nomu (USJ Nomu as pictured).

So what exactly is your argument? That the pictured Nomu to the far left isn't USJ Nomu? Why wouldn't it be? Who else would it be?

Because the USJ Nomu IS an upper tier nomu but he's also different because he got all might's strength. Again, you're practically implying that the other Upper-Tier Nomus are comparable to USJ Nomu.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Because the USJ Nomu IS an upper tier nomu but he's also different because he got all might's strength. Again, you're practically implying that the other Upper-Tier Nomus are comparable to USJ Nomu.

It doesn’t matter if they are or not.

USJ Nomu is an upper tier and is the example by which High Ends are superior.

No one directly saying “these high ends are as strong as All Might” doesn’t mean they aren’t.

And why would they say that anyway when by this point people know All Might’s was weaker anyway? When Ujiko talks about All Might he’s referring to his prime, which he knows because USJ Nomu was designed to match All Might but would get stomped by Prime All Might via AM’s own words.

So Ujiko knows the difference between Weakened and Prime.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

It doesn’t matter if they are or not.

USJ Nomu is an upper tier and is the example by which High Ends are superior.

No one directly saying “these high ends are as strong as All Might” doesn’t mean they aren’t.

And why would they say that anyway when by this point people know All Might’s was weaker anyway? When Ujiko talks about All Might he’s referring to his prime, which he knows because USJ Nomu was designed to match All Might but would get stomped by Prime All Might via AM’s own words.

So Ujiko knows the difference between Weakened and Prime.

Once again, you're not debunking anything at all. All Might, whether weakened or at his prime, remained the most powerful Hero. Yet even after his retirement, when characters appeared with power comparable to All Might's, he was still mentioned — but that wasn't the case for the High-End Nomus, because they are neither comparable to the USJ Nomu, nor to All Might (weakened or prime). And the USJ Nomu was specifically designed to be able to rival Prime All Might and he WAS stronger than Weakened All Might, who won thanks to Plus Ultra.

 

[AThe1412]

So... Are you just gonna repeat the same exact argument that's been addressed multiple times again and again until someone agrees with you?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Once again, you're not debunking anything at all. All Might, whether weakened or at his prime, remained the most powerful Hero. Yet even after his retirement, when characters appeared with power comparable to All Might's, he was still mentioned — but that wasn't the case for the High-End Nomus, because they are neither comparable to the USJ Nomu, nor to All Might (weakened or prime). And the USJ Nomu was specifically designed to be able to rival Prime All Might and he WAS stronger than Weakened All Might, who won thanks to Plus Ultra.

USJ Nomu was NOT stronger than Weakened AM. They were equal at best, and USJ Nomu was likely weaker, just carried by Shock Absorption. Weakened AM with his time limit already almost up was fighting evenly with USJ Nomu and only got snuck when his weak spot was hit via a Kurogiri portal assist. He then intentionally tanked a hit meant for Bakugo, then punch rushed USJ Nomu down, while claiming he would’ve beaten USJ Nomu in 5 hits in his prime whereas it took 300 today. How you come out of that thinking USJ Nomu is in any way comparable to Prime All Might is wild.

Your arguments are the exact same so the counters remain the same. You haven’t said anything that proves your stance or debunks all the evidence to the contrary.

USJ Nomu is classified in the upper tier, and is therefore weaker than High Ends. End of discussion. Any other extrapolation of “they would have said this or that” is irrelevant. All surrounding evidence points to the exact same conclusion.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

If your only argument is “they didn’t explicitly say the High Ends are All Might level so USJ Nomu is the only Nomu that could ever be All Might level,” then this thread is meaningless. That arguments holds no actual grounds and is just you not being capable of engaging with anything else the manga says other than direct statements.

Yes, it sucks there aren’t more direct statements, but this comparison between USJ Nomu and the High Ends is as blatant as it gets.

Regardless of whatever statements rise up about who and who isn’t All Might level.

USJ Nomu is inferior in stats to the High Ends. That’s is simply inarguable.

 

[Nierre]

Because the USJ Nomu IS an upper tier nomu but he's also different because he got all might's strength. Again, you're practically implying that the other Upper-Tier Nomus are comparable to USJ Nomu.

Even if we said that the USJ Nomu is the strongest Upper Tier Nomu, the narrator doesn't say "High End Nomu's are stronger than Upper-Tier Nomu.... with the exception of the USJ Nomu". That distinction is never made. So I don't get where ur coming from.

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

USJ Nomu was NOT stronger than Weakened AM. They were equal at best, and USJ Nomu was likely weaker, just carried by Shock Absorption. Weakened AM with his time limit already almost up was fighting evenly with USJ Nomu and only got snuck when his weak spot was hit via a Kurogiri portal assist. He then intentionally tanked a hit meant for Bakugo, then punch rushed USJ Nomu down, while claiming he would’ve beaten USJ Nomu in 5 hits in his prime whereas it took 300 today. How you come out of that thinking USJ Nomu is in any way comparable to Prime All Might is wild.

Your arguments are the exact same so the counters remain the same. You haven’t said anything that proves your stance or debunks all the evidence to the contrary.

USJ Nomu is classified in the upper tier, and is therefore weaker than High Ends. End of discussion. All surrounding evidence points to the exact same conclusion.

USJ Nomu is an upper tier nomu and also NOT an UPPER Tier nomu

" Any other extrapolation of “they would have said this or that” is irrelevant" No! This is not

It's not: it's not the case because it's not mentioned.

It's: it's not mentioned BECAUSE it's not the case.

END of discussion (regarding my evidence and debunkings, they're already up there and haven't been debunked yet. The USJ Nomu isn't an Upper Tier Nomu because it possesses All Might's strength).

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

USJ Nomu is an upper tier nomu and also NOT an UPPER Tier nomu

" Any other extrapolation of “they would have said this or that” is irrelevant" No! This is not

It's not: it's not the case because it's not mentioned.

It's: it's not mentioned BECAUSE it's not the case.

END of discussion (regarding my evidence and debunkings, they're already up there and haven't been debunked yet. The USJ Nomu isn't an Upper Tier Nomu because it possesses All Might's strength).

You do not have the authority to make statements like this. You're not the author who has said blatantly otherwise and you're not a VSB staff member either, so you don't get to tell us that you're right, end of discussion.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Do yall want to wrap this up or do yall want to entertain him even more.

I disagree with the crt

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Do yall want to wrap this up or do yall want to entertain him even more.

I disagree with the crt

Wrap it up because he just keeps repeating the same debunked points over and over again.

 

[Lilybitdun]

"High End Nomu's are stronger than Upper-Tier Nomu.... with the exception of the USJ Nomu"

USJ Nomu moving like Gojo now

 

[ThiboGaleotti]

You do not have the authority to make statements like this. You're not the author who has said blatantly otherwise and you're not a VSB staff member either, so you don't get to tell us that you're right, end of discussion.

Being a VSB staff member have nothing to do with that or are you really that overbearing?

Being the author don't have anything with the ability to analyze the manga. Being equal to All Might deserves at least ONE statement, but there ZERO statement