Halloween 2 Explosion Not to Be Taken as Durability.

[Shattas]

I suggest removing the explosion from Michael Myers' profile in Halloween 2. Because Michael Myers passes out after the explosion, and even 10 years later, the wounds on his body are still extremely visible. So there's nothing to suggest he tanked the explosion.

He may have fallen into a coma because of the thorn. But the durability page says that taking heavy damage and not dying is not tanking.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Durability

Michael Myers' body, even 10 years later, is covered in burns. Furthermore, the H2 novel states that he tried to stand up after the explosion but passed out. Therefore, he cannot continue fighting due to the damage he sustained from the explosion.

And the situation is the same in the H20 timeline. Michael Myers' condition after the explosion is unclear. We don't know if he was injured or what condition he was in. We only know he escaped from the hospital, but that's not enough for us to draw conclusions. We haven't seen his condition after the explosion or what he looked like 20 years later. He could have been weakened by the explosion and escaped, and his body could be covered in burns, but it might not be—we can't speculate. If we do, it would be an appeal to possibility.

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And while H20 has no burn marks on his hand 20 years later, H6 still has a hand full of burns. So from this, we can say H20 Regen > CoT Regen.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Could you include some scans?

 

[Shattas]

Could you include some scans?

It says that after the explosion here, he tried to stay on his feet but was then engulfed by the flames, meaning he fainted.




In the first scene, they show how badly his hand is burned. And in the other scene, we see distinct burns extending along his entire arm. And his whole body is wrapped up, meaning his entire body is burned.

 

[Lilybitdun]

It says that after the explosion here, he tried to stay on his feet but was then engulfed by the flames, meaning he fainted.

In the first scene, they show how badly his hand is burned. And in the other scene, we see distinct burns extending along his entire arm. And his whole body is wrapped up, meaning his entire body is burned.

you might need to embed them using Imgur or Imgchest since the image links don't work

 

[Shattas]

you might need to embed them using Imgur or Imgchest since the image links don't work

I edited the message. And Michael Myers is considered unable to fight due to the explosion because he fainted.

 

[Random-Helper323]

He seems okay in the H20 timeline, although admittedly that's 20 years later.

 

[Shattas]

He seems okay I'm the H20 timeline, although admittedly that's 20 years later.

It's valid within the CoT timeline. And Michael Myers' burns are still there in Halloween 6. I mentioned that he couldn't fight because he passed out after the explosion. He might have only fallen into a coma because of Thorn. When Halloween ends, Thorn falls asleep, but it doesn't change anything. Because in Halloween 4, he passed out the same way and later made Jamie stab her mother, so he was still active. Fainting doesn't mean Halloween ended at that point. The novel confirms this by stating he was trying to stand up.

 

[Random-Helper323]

It's valid within the CoT timeline. And Michael Myers' burns are still there in Halloween 6. I mentioned that he couldn't fight because he passed out after the explosion. He might have only fallen into a coma because of Thorn. When Halloween ends, Thorn falls asleep, but it doesn't change anything. Because in Halloween 4, he passed out the same way and later made Jamie stab her mother, so he was still active. Fainting doesn't mean Halloween ended at that point. The novel confirms this by stating he was trying to stand up.

In fairness, isn't he weaker in the Thorn timeline than the H20 timeline overall? He gets taken down by guns and such in those films after all.

From what I can tell, H20 is the strongest version of him overall.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

He seems okay in the H20 timeline, although admittedly that's 20 years later.

Yeah.

 

[AyOgUyS]

we could go with an "At most" value

 

[Shattas]

In fairness, isn't he weaker in the Thorn timeline than the H20 timeline overall? He gets taken down by guns and such in those films after all.

From what I can tell, H20 is the strongest version of him overall.

We cannot say that it tanked in H20. I fixed the CRT and explained why it couldn't be taken out of H20.

 

[Random-Helper323]

We cannot say that it tanked in H20. I fixed the CRT and explained why it couldn't be taken out of H20.

H20 is a sequel to H2, so events in H2 should be canon to it, including the explosion at the end.

 

[Shattas]

H20 is a sequel to H2, so events in H2 should be canon to it, including the explosion at the end.

I explained why it couldn't be filled up. I also know that H2O is a continuation of H2. I can write it again if you want.


And the situation is the same in the H20 timeline. Michael Myers' condition after the explosion is unclear. We don't know if he was injured or what condition he was in. We only know he escaped from the hospital, but that's not enough for us to draw conclusions. We haven't seen his condition after the explosion or what he looked like 20 years later. He could have been weakened by the explosion and escaped, and his body could be covered in burns, but it might not be—we can't speculate. If we do, it would be an appeal to possibility.

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[Lilybitdun]

I do believe changing it to an At most rating could work since he does still momentarily stay up after being hit by the explosion

Keep in mind even if he tanks the blast he's still actively on fire, the fire part is stated to be the part that took him down

until he was completely consumed by flames

so I'd disagree with outright removing it as a durability feat

 

[Random-Helper323]

Considering the amount of damage done, but the fact he still withstood it, we could probably downscale him.

 

[Shattas]

I do believe changing it to an At most rating could work since he does still momentarily stay up after being hit by the explosion

Keep in mind even if he tanks the blast he's still actively on fire, the fire part is stated to be the part that took him down

so I'd disagree with outright removing it as a durability feat

Being swallowed by flames is used metaphor.

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Before that, it says Michael Myers tried to stand up. Then we see Michael Myers fainting and continuing to burn in the flames. Here, the phrase “swallowed by flames” is used in this sense. Michael Myers faints and burns in the fire.

It cannot be said that the explosion didn’t knock him to the ground, because it is written that he tried to get back on his feet after the blast—meaning the explosion left him unable to stand. Afterwards, he still cannot get up and eventually faints.

So I think the H2 explosion needs to be completely removed from CoT and H20.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Most characters still get knocked down by an explosion since that's an LS problem rather than durabilty

The fact he can temporarily get up afterwards proves he withstood the explosion, he should still downscale like Random said

I'm not sure why you are saying engulfed in flames is a metaphor when he literally got caught in an explosion, that would catch him on fire. The fact he has severe burn scars shows the damage of the fire too

 

[Shattas]

Most characters still get knocked down by an explosion since that's an LS problem rather than durabilty

The fact he can temporarily get up afterwards proves he withstood the explosion, he should still downscale like Random said

I'm not sure why you are saying engulfed in flames is a metaphor when he literally got caught in an explosion, that would catch him on fire. The fact he has severe burn scars shows the damage of the fire too

KLOL told me, “Severe damage refers to injuries that leave the character too weak to fight.”

And Michael Myers walks for a very short time after the explosion, and he's not walking normally anyway. It's very obvious that he's trying to stand up, and then he faints and can't get up. So the explosion leaves him unable to fight.

What made me think the phrase “being engulfed in flames” was metaphorical was that it was written that Michael Myers was trying to stand up just before he passed out. So being engulfed in flames shows him passing out and burning in the flames. It doesn't show him being affected by the flames and passing out. Also, it's unclear how long he burned.

The fact that he can stand for a little while after the explosion isn't enough to say he endured it, because he seems to be barely walking. And he faints very quickly.

 

[Lilybitdun]

You remember the feat itself comes from a movie, right? We see exactly onscreen what happens

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We see him walk, engulfed in flames, for roughly 21 seconds before he falls over

The novel's retelling lines up exactly what's shown here

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Is the 9-B calculation itself not invalid? The calculation uses the shockwave formula, but the energy of gas explosions is primarily released through heat, rather than physical damage; a similar calculation of mine was rejected years ago because I was applying the shockwave formula to a gas explosion.

 

[Shattas]

You remember the feat itself comes from a movie, right? We see exactly onscreen what happens

(7:29)
We see him walk, engulfed in flames, for roughly 21 seconds before he falls over

The novel's retelling lines up exactly what's shown here

I didn't mean that. We don't know how badly he was burned after he fainted. Twenty-one seconds is still a short time, and during that time he was only walking in pain.

At the same time, Loomis also has burn marks on his hands, and there is evidence that he was also burned.

 

[Shattas]

Is the 9-B calculation itself not invalid? The calculation uses the shockwave formula, but the energy of gas explosions is primarily released through heat, rather than physical damage; a similar calculation of mine was rejected years ago because I was applying the shockwave formula to a gas explosion.

The calculation has been accepted. However, I am not sure if it is correct. The calculation uses a ground explosion despite it being a gas explosion. The calculation should be done using gasoline. When we did it, we found 100 megajoules using the inverse square law.

 

[Lilybitdun]

I didn't mean that. We don't know how badly he was burned after he fainted. Twenty-one seconds is still a short time, and during that time he was only walking in pain.

It should be pretty easy to infer that him being set on fire for a long time (even after he's fainted he's still actively on fire) is the cause of the burn scars.

His outfit is still intact after the explosion therefore the burn scars across his body should be from the fire, not directly from the explosion.

The calculation has been accepted. However, I am not sure if it is correct. The calculation uses a ground explosion despite it being a gas explosion. The calculation should be done using gasoline. When we did it, we found 100 megajoules using the inverse square law.

Should try to contact some CGMs on if the calc needs to be redone with a different method

Nullflower's similar calc was rejected in 2021 while the halloween explosion calc is 2024. There's a decent chance how gas explosions are treated changed over those 3 years

Also when you say 100 megajoules via ISL, are you referring to the explosion itself or Michael's durability?

 

[Shattas]

It should be pretty easy to infer that him being set on fire for a long time (even after he's fainted he's still actively on fire) is the cause of the burn scars.

His outfit is still intact after the explosion therefore the burn scars across his body should be from the fire, not directly from the explosion.


Should try to contact some CGMs on if the calc needs to be redone with a different method

Nullflower's similar calc was rejected in 2021 while the halloween explosion calc is 2024. There's a decent chance how gas explosions are treated changed over those 3 years

Also when you say 100 megajoules via ISL, are you referring to the explosion itself or Michael's durability?

But that still doesn't change the fact that he fainted in the explosion. And it could have been his clothes; nothing clear can be seen because of the fire. It's impossible to say why he burned directly in the fire, and as I said, how long he stayed there.

We found that the energy hitting Michael Myers was 100 MJ. We found the total energy of the explosion at Building Level. And this explosion was a gasoline explosion.

 

[Lilybitdun]

We found that the energy hitting Michael Myers was 100 MJ. We found the total energy of the explosion at Building Level. And this explosion was a gasoline explosion.

Link to the new calc?

 

[Shattas]

It should be pretty easy to infer that him being set on fire for a long time (even after he's fainted he's still actively on fire) is the cause of the burn scars.

His outfit is still intact after the explosion therefore the burn scars across his body should be from the fire, not directly from the explosion.

Should try to contact some CGMs on if the calc needs to be redone with a different method

Nullflower's similar calc was rejected in 2021 while the halloween explosion calc is 2024. There's a decent chance how gas explosions are treated changed over those 3 years

Also when you say 100 megajoules via ISL, are you referring to the explosion itself or Michael's durability?

In fact, after the explosion, the novel states that Michael Myers’s body could not be found, so could it be a case of prolonged burning?