Simple Upgrade For Nahida (Genshin Impact)

[Furina003]

As we know, Nahida tier is still unknown at this time. So I would like to slightly increase Nahida tier.
Let's get straight to the point. As fellow dendro archons, Nahida is at least comparable to Rukhadevatta, who is capable of creating rainforests in the Sumeru region. Rukhadevatta also explains that Nahida is her current in now samsara and has the potential to become an archon even greater than herself. Therefore, it should be safe to scale Nahida based on this evidence. Since Dendro Archons can create rainforests, based on this calculation, Nahida should at least reach Tier 8B (City Block Level).

That's all, thank you.

Agree : @AyOgUyS
Disagree: @LoudestProcedure
Neutral:​

 

[LoudestProcedure]

Disagree this feels like it needs to calc since the sumeru rain forest is ginornous compared to a small forest which that calc assumed that's it's just a small forest

 

[Furina003]

Disagree this feels like it needs to calc since the sumeru rain forest is ginornous compared to a small forest which that calc assumed that's it's just a small forest

how big is the rainforest?

 

[LoudestProcedure]

how big is the rainforest?

Extremely large I can't put a number since I'm not a calc guy but just seeing it in the map it's clearly larger than a small forest

 

[Furina003]

Extremely large I can't put a number since I'm not a calc guy but just seeing it in the map it's clearly larger than a small forest

If we look from the size of the country, I think it is quite reasonable that we use this calculation, because the Sumeru rainforest covers half of the Sumeru area.

Wasn't that calculation done for a small forest?

According to this site, a forest has to be at least 1.24 acres in area.

This site provides information on how many trees are in an acre of land; I will be using reforestation values as those make the most sense.

Now, I will use the 10 x 10 value for reforestation, so that is 435 trees per acre as a minimum.

1.24 acres x 435 trees/acre = 538.4 trees.

Energy to destroy a small forest

Low-End: 538.4 x 9.1700460e7 Joules = 4.946e10 Joules (City Block level)
High-End: 538.4 x 6.1832194e8 = 3.335e11 Joules (City Block level+)

 

[AyOgUyS]

Just scale her to Wanderer
Anyway since GI has a UES where Creation scales to AP (I think), I suppose this is fine

 

[MSahla]

I kinda agree with @LoudestProcedure. Sumeru's rainforest is so big, even from above the planet. This is definitely not just a City Block level, You have to calc the size of this rainforest.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

As we know, Nahida tier is still unknown at this time. So I would like to slightly increase Nahida tier.
Let's get straight to the point. As fellow dendro archons, Nahida is at least comparable to Rukhadevatta, who is capable of creating rainforests in the Sumeru region. Rukhadevatta also explains that Nahida is her current in now samsara and has the potential to become an archon even greater than herself. Therefore, it should be safe to scale Nahida based on this evidence. Since Dendro Archons can create rainforests, based on this calculation, Nahida should at least reach Tier 8B (City Block Level).​

these are not direct evidences that nahida is comparable to rukkhadevata since nahida is literally rukkhadevata that spent her power and turned into a small child.
If you have anything that proves current nahida can do it then i suppose 8-B is fine, or the actual calculation whatever

 

[Furina003]

I kinda agree with @LoudestProcedure. Sumeru's rainforest is so big, even from above the planet. This is definitely not just a City Block level, You have to calc the size of this rainforest.

I've done that, so I mean here let's focus on chainscalling.

Rukhadevata creates sumeru rainforest

vsbattles.fandom.com

these are not direct evidences that nahida is comparable to rukkhadevata since nahida is literally rukkhadevata that spent her power and turned into a small child.
If you have anything that proves current nahida can do it then i suppose 8-B is fine, or the actual calculation whatever

I think rukhadevatta shrank because of the cataclysm not creating the rainforest, creating the rainforest happened when king deshret wanted to take the forbidden knowledge, these are 2 different times

 

[LoudestProcedure]

I've done that, so I mean here let's focus on chainscalling.

Rukhadevata creates sumeru rainforest

vsbattles.fandom.com

I think rukhadevatta shrank because of the cataclysm not creating the rainforest, creating the rainforest happened when king deshret wanted to take the forbidden knowledge, these are 2 different times

We just need this to be accepted and were golden with her AP

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

We just need this to be accepted and were golden with her AP

How do we know how fast she made the rainforest?

 

[MSahla]

How do we know how fast she made the rainforest?

Maybe this one scene can help

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Maybe this one scene can help

Isn’t that just her getting rid of Deshret?

 

[Furina003]

Isn’t that just her getting rid of Deshret?

no, she left king deshret because of differences of opinion and created a rainforest in the desert

 

[MSahla]

Isn’t that just her getting rid of Deshret?

But it is also shown she also created the rainforest, no?
At least, that's how fast she created the rainforest.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

no, she left king deshret because of differences of opinion and created a rainforest in the desert

We also know she helped deal with his mess after his plan failed.

But it is also shown she also created the rainforest, no?
At least, that's how fast she created the rainforest.

The cutscene in question details Deshret’s fall but we know the rainforest existed before his death so this isn’t her making it

 

[MSahla]

The cutscene in question details Deshret’s fall but we know the rainforest existed before his death so this isn’t her making it

Well, it's not about when is the forest existed, but how fast she created it.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Well, it's not about when is the forest existed, but how fast she created it.

It’s mentioned that Rukkhadevata expended a lot of power dealing with Deshret’s stuff to the point she shrunk so it isn’t really standard to her AP and Nahida wouldn’t scale to it as she may just become a twig if she tried.

 

[Furina003]

We also know she helped deal with his mess after his plan failed.

it happened after rukhadevatta created the rainforest, and I think it happened very briefly

The Folio of Foliage​

In the depths of the forest, she collected grass to use as an instrument, picked flowers for a crown, and played a flawless tune with a Karrenay. In an instant, thousands of demonic troops were reduced to dust and scattered to the four winds, never to be found again. She gently brushed away the tears of the forest creatures and soothed their anguish, just as she once blew the wind of life across the barren sea of sand, like the emissary of an eternal oasis from time immemorial.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

it happened after rukhadevatta created the rainforest, and I think it happened very briefly

The Folio of Foliage​

I know that’s why I’m saying that scene isn’t her making the rainforest.

 

[Furina003]

I know that’s why I’m saying that scene isn’t her making the rainforest.

the scene is the scene where she creates the rainforest, and it literally says he creates the rainforest

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

the scene is the scene where she creates the rainforest, and it literally says he creates the rainforest

Watch the cutscene in full. It’s talking about Deshret’s fall which came after the rainforest existed

 

[Furina003]

Watch the cutscene in full. It’s talking about Deshret’s fall which came after the rainforest existed

rukhadevatta lives with king deshret > they have a disagreement > rukhadevatta leaves deshret > creates the rainforest > king deshret is exposed to forbidden knowledge > rukha comes back and helps him, i think this is what happened

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

rukhadevatta lives with king deshret > they have a disagreement > rukhadevatta leaves deshret > creates the rainforest > king deshret is exposed to forbidden knowledge > rukha comes back and helps him, i think this is what happened

1. Rainforest existed before she even had her falling out with Deshret and Malikata.
From Vourukasha’s Oasis
After the mistress of the orchard passed, the queen of grass and trees cut ties with the sea of sand.
Forsaking mad love and majesty, she chose to return to the rainforest and take up the path of defending life...

2. We still don’t have a timeframe for the creation of the rainforest

3. Even if you tried to argue the cutscene shows that (it doesn’t) Rukkhadevata is stated to have expended so much energy she shrunk so that wouldn’t scale to her normal AP and definitely wouldn’t scale to Nahida’s.

 

[Furina003]

1. Rainforest existed before she even had her falling out with Deshret and Malikata.
From Vourukasha’s Oasis
After the mistress of the orchard passed, the queen of grass and trees cut ties with the sea of sand.
Forsaking mad love and majesty, she chose to return to the rainforest and take up the path of defending life...

No, Sumeru was originally a rainforest, but the forest was destroyed by the sky pillars during the war of revenge. That's why Rukhadevatta created the rainforest again, because the previous forest had been completely destroyed and turned into a desert.

2. We still don’t have a timeframe for the creation of the rainforest

In the depths of the forest, she collected grass to use as an instrument, picked flowers for a crown, and played a flawless tune with a Karrenay. In an instant, thousands of demonic troops were reduced to dust and scattered to the four winds, never to be found again. She gently brushed away the tears of the forest creatures and soothed their anguish, just as she once blew the wind of life across the barren sea of sand, like the emissary of an eternal oasis from time immemorial.

it happened quite briefly

3. Even if you tried to argue the cutscene shows that (it doesn’t) Rukkhadevata is stated to have expended so much energy she shrunk so that wouldn’t scale to her normal AP and definitely wouldn’t scale to Nahida’s.

didn't rukhadevatta shrink after the king deshret incident? and that was after she created the rainforest

 

[Voidnether]

I kinda agree with @LoudestProcedure. Sumeru's rainforest is so big, even from above the planet. This is definitely not just a City Block level, You have to calc the size of this rainforest.

Or we can affirm that Teyvat as a continent/planet is smaller than the continent/planet we know irl.

Unless you wanted to wank it like One Piece where they have their planet size to be as arbitrarily as high as possible, yeah I disagree with this. Nahida is unknown, she barely fought.

 

[Furina003]

Or we can affirm that Teyvat as a continent/planet is smaller than the continent/planet we know irl.

Unless you wanted to wank it like One Piece where they have their planet size to be as arbitrarily as high as possible, yeah I disagree with this. Nahida is unknown, she barely fought.

calculation is already https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Furina003/Rukhadevata_creates_sumeru_rainforest

 

[Voidnether]

calculation is already https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Furina003/Rukhadevata_creates_sumeru_rainforest

There's not even a single CGM evaluating that, you'd have to get it accepted by CGM first for this thread to even be made wtf

 

[MSahla]

Or we can affirm that Teyvat as a continent/planet is smaller than the continent/planet we know irl.

Unless you wanted to wank it like One Piece where they have their planet size to be as arbitrarily as high as possible, yeah I disagree with this. Nahida is unknown, she barely fought.

Says who? That chasm you look at have 120 miles diamater at least, For comparison that's roughly the size of the Chicxulub Crater, created by the asteroid which wiped out the Dinosaurs.

The Line of Defense of the Battle of the Chasm (which took place in the Center) was 60 miles away from it, yet still in the Area considered “the Chasm”. This means a minimum radio of 60 miles, and mind you, 60 miles is already 10 times the size of the playable map.

And it is also takes weeks to travel from Liyue to Mondstadt in canon.

And the fact that the entirety of in-game Teyvat would fit inside the canon Chasm.

 

[Furina003]

There's not even a single CGM evaluating that, you'd have to get it accepted by CGM first for this thread to even be made wtf

This crt does not discuss this calc, you can read my crt, lol

 

[Voidnether]

This crt does not discuss this calc, you can read my crt, lol

Therefore, it should be safe to scale Nahida based on this evidence. Since Dendro Archons can create rainforests, based on this calculation, Nahida should at least reach Tier 8B (City Block Level).

The calc is unapproved.

 

[Furina003]

The calc is unapproved.

you mean this? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Destroying/Creating_a_forest
that literally from page References for Common Feats

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

No, Sumeru was originally a rainforest, but the forest was destroyed by the sky pillars during the war of revenge. That's why Rukhadevatta created the rainforest again, because the previous forest had been completely destroyed and turned into a desert.


it happened quite briefly

didn't rukhadevatta shrink after the king deshret incident? and that was after she created the rainforest

The OG rainforest was destroyed due to Nibelung’s return bringing the Abyss and nails being cast down. This also has nothing to with my point as Isaid Rukkhadevata made the rainforest before Deshret’s scheme.

That is not stating a timeframe.

Yes so the cutscene isn’t evidence if a timeframe for the rainforest being made.

 

[Furina003]

The OG rainforest was destroyed due to Nibelung’s return bringing the Abyss and nails being cast down. This also has nothing to with my point as Isaid Rukkhadevata made the rainforest before Deshret’s scheme.

yes it proves that rukha really created the forest

That is not stating a timeframe.

there it explains where she blew away the monsters in an instant, just like she blew life (during the creation of the forest)

Yes so the cutscene isn’t evidence if a timeframe for the rainforest being made.

I don't understand how it can't be?

 

[Voidnether]

you mean this? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Destroying/Creating_a_forest
that literally from page References for Common Feats

Rukhadevata creates sumeru rainforest

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Furina003]

Rukhadevata creates sumeru rainforest

vsbattles.fandom.com

I don't use that in crt, try reading it again, I use calc which is provided on the page.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

yes it proves that rukha really created the forest

there it explains where she blew away the monsters in an instant, just like she blew life (during the creation of the forest)

I don't understand how it can't be?

That was never in contention.

Her blowing wind doesn’t mean it instantly grew the forest. Killing the monsters and blowing the wind are two different sentences in the first place. It doesn’t say ‘just as she killed the monsters in an instant she blew the wind’ it says “She gently brushed away the tears of the forest creatures and soothed their anguish, just as she once blew the wind of life across the barren sea of sand, like the emissary of an eternal oasis from time immemorial.”

Because the cutscene details Dehsret’s fall not Rukkhadevata making the rainforest

 

[Furina003]

Her blowing wind doesn’t mean it instantly grew the forest. Killing the monsters and blowing the wind are two different sentences in the first place. It doesn’t say ‘just as she killed the monsters in an instant she blew the wind’ it says “She gently brushed away the tears of the forest creatures and soothed their anguish, just as she once blew the wind of life across the barren sea of sand, like the emissary of an eternal oasis from time immemorial.”

She created a rainforest like she destroyed her enemies in an instant, that's enough for me to make a comparison

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

She created a rainforest like she destroyed her enemies in an instant, that's enough for me to make a comparison

That is not what the statement says

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Bump

Would it be possible to find any value for Nahida based on her supporting buildings during an earthquake?

Cyno: Aaru Village was struck by the strongest earthquake in living memory. Seeing buildings on the verge of collapse all around him, the then chief of the village was preparing to take everyone to safety...
Cyno: Suddenly, he noticed a mad scholar crouching in a corner, caressing the ground with his hands. A soft, green light radiated from him, like a divine glow against the backdrop of night.
Cyno: Despite the powerful tremors that ripped through the ground that night, all the houses remained upright, almost as if they had grown roots reaching deep into the ground. In the end, not a single building collapsed, and no one was hurt.