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Eh she's moreso morally grey.
She's saved Franklin Richards and Wanda plenty of times.
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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread
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She's saved Franklin Richards and Wanda plenty of times.
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Morally grey??? I'm pretty sure she tried to kill Wanda plenty of times too, also she just had an whole event where she wanted to release the darkhold and fought the plenty of heroes for that.
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So did anybody read the latest issue of "The World To Come"? From my brief skim it seems like Thor's corpse was desecrated to channel its power to kill them all, and this is from the same writer who had Thor knocked out by a bullet previously.
I increasingly get the impression that a lot of the Marvel Comics writers hate Thor to the point of belittling, depowering, humiliating, distorting, and/or defiling the only major scandinavian superhero almost any chance that they get. Apparently Scandinavia is the root of all evil to them, despite its comparative lack of direct involvement in historical atrocities, and present-day rather high humanitarian values and systems, comparatively speaking.
Again, the German and Austrian Nazis completely bastardised lots of religious symbols and mythology from all over the world. Retroactively blaming the Vikings for getting some of their symbols extremely distorted doesn't seem to make any sense.
I increasingly get the impression that a lot of the Marvel Comics writers hate Thor to the point of belittling, depowering, humiliating, distorting, and/or defiling the only major scandinavian superhero almost any chance that they get. Apparently Scandinavia is the root of all evil to them, despite its comparative lack of direct involvement in historical atrocities, and present-day rather high humanitarian values and systems, comparatively speaking.
Again, the German and Austrian Nazis completely bastardised lots of religious symbols and mythology from all over the world. Retroactively blaming the Vikings for getting some of their symbols extremely distorted doesn't seem to make any sense.
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i don`t think it is cause of thor being nordic, the writer from what i see is joe quesada and he was involved in one more day, he just hates male sucesful heroes i think.So did anybody read the latest issue of "The World To Come"? From my brief skim it seems like Thor's corpse was desecrated to channel its power to kill them all, and this is from the same writer who had Thor knocked out by a bullet previously.
I increasingly get the impression that a lot of the Marvel Comics writers hate Thor to the point of belittling, depowering, humiliating, distorting, and/or defiling the only major scandinavian superhero almost any chance that they get. Apparently Scandinavia is the root of all evil to them, despite its comparative lack of direct involvement in historical atrocities, and present-day rather high humanitarian values and systems, comparatively speaking.
Again, the German and Austrian Nazis completely bastardised lots of religious symbols and mythology from all of the world. Retroactively blaming the Vikings for getting some of their symbols extremely distorted doesn't seem to make any sense.
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it is not just thor legacy characters like iron man have been getting targeted as well due to writer wanting to show their characters as better and "so much better" than others.Well, I don't know the exact reason. I have just noticed Thor being targeted a lot from many different writers over the years.
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Well, I definitely don't like very excessive rampant power-mad superiority complex issues in stories from different writers, or when formerly morally decent characters have their personalities distorted to become assholes.
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So did anybody read the latest issue of "The World To Come"? From my brief skim it seems like Thor's corpse was desecrated to channel its power to kill them all, and this is from the same writer who had Thor knocked out by a bullet previously.
I increasingly get the impression that a lot of the Marvel Comics writers hate Thor to the point of belittling, depowering, humiliating, distorting, and/or defiling the only major scandinavian superhero almost any chance that they get. Apparently Scandinavia is the root of all evil to them, despite its comparative lack of direct involvement in historical atrocities, and present-day rather high humanitarian values and systems, comparatively speaking.
Again, the German and Austrian Nazis completely bastardised lots of religious symbols and mythology from all over the world. Retroactively blaming the Vikings for getting some of their symbols extremely distorted doesn't seem to make any sense.
It's cause he's a popular character and is considered one of the main powerhouses so you beat him down to show off the stakes. Not whatever this psycho schizo shit you're spouting is.
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Well, I have noticed Thor being specifically targeted to extremes by the Marvel writers in lots of different ways over the years, to the point where I don't think that it can be a coincidence anymore. I have covered quite a lot of those incidents previously. That said, I am not sure why exactly he is being targeted, as it doesn't make sense to me, and am only speculating in that regard.
However, I apologise if I went too far with the paranoia.
However, I apologise if I went too far with the paranoia.
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If this comic was actually good it would have the Vishanti play a constant role as a limiter on Wanda. All her life she’s used Chaos Magic which essentially has no rules and her solos before this have all been about her choosing her own fate instead of it being chosen by cosmic beings.
But you can’t do that as the Sorcerer Supreme. It’s not just a power boost, it’s an actual job with rules and responsibilities. Strange barely had any social life because of how demanding of a job it was. An actual good story would look into how Wanda deals with a role that is antithetical to how she lives her life and if taking this role is worth the burden. It could even go into Wanda having to forego using Chaos Magic because the sheer amount of spells and magic use the Sorcerer Supreme uses daily is far beyond what’s safe for Chaos Magic use.
I know we’re only one issue in but the story immediately going “Lmao no, Wanda decides how she does this job” is a bad sign. We literally just had Doom do the exact same thing and he was acknowledged in universe to be extremely shit at the job because of it.
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YES, absolutely this!
Also, we had a brief moment about what happens when Wanda tries regular magic. Empyre: X-Men. Which is probably super obscure, but it is what it is. Short: was terrible, do not recommend.
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Yes, but she behaved like an extremely power-abusing and evil villain in the process. I think that I like the current handling of the Scarlet Witch even less than that of Storm.
I very strongly agree with positive feminism based on genuine equality and protecting women from real world abuses, not whatever this extremely destructive casually sadistic power-tripping supremacism is supposed to be about.
Anyway, the revision is accepted, but I now think that Wanda is an are evil asshole, so congratulations to her I suppose.
Casually subjecting a completely outmatched opponent to a fate worse than death out of a supremacist sense of entitlement is still completely unacceptable behaviour though. It seems like Marvel Comics is just turning more and more morally diseased over the years due to the writers and editors. Even Thor recently stole the soul of a torture victim. Seriously, does that sound like in-character behaviour?
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Honestly, I do agree it was pretty overkill to remove his hope on top of casting him to eternal torture.
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Which is especially funny since it’s like the exact opposite of how Thor forced humanity and compassion onto Toranos in order to beat him.
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My guy. Just effing shoot the guy. Why a lobotomy on top of eternal torture?
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If anything it's crueler than lobotomy, since his mind is still perfectly intact.
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Also making a council is completely useless since it just makes you a worse Sorcerer Supreme. Nearly all of Strange's big decisions have been done in the moment with no time to think on them, something that you won't be good at if you rely on a bunch of people giving you advice on how to do your job. Getting help is nothing new but specifically making a council dedicated to the decisions you need to make as Sorcerer Supreme is a bad idea. Being the Sorcerer Supreme is not a gift, it's a burden. If Wanda wants to take on that burden then she needs to accept the restrictions that come with it instead of trying to brush them off.
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Yes, Al Ewing handled Thor's characterisations great until issue 25, when Thor stole the soul of Donald Blake, who had just been very extensively tortured by Loki. What the h***? Why was it necessary to have Thor do something monstrous like that? I am getting Donny Cates flashbacks.
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Yes. Strongly agreed.
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Yes. Agreed. Marvel Comics writers nowadays largely seem to twist "With great power there must come great responsibility" into "With great power comes great opportunities for absolutely entitled and egotistical supremacist power-abuses without any accountability whatsoever".
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he did not, Donald Blake and Thor were both gods, so there was a human soul that was unclaimed, a no one's soul, Thor took it and reincarnated
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Unless you're Spider-Man, whose entire existence is suffering.Yes. Agreed. Marvel Comics writers nowadays largely seem to twist "With great power there must come great responsibility" into "With great power comes great opportunities for absolutely entitled and egotistical supremacist power-abuses without any accountability whatsoever".
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This is less of a question for marvel comics and just marvel profiles in general, why are Miles' pages titled with his name while Peter gets to have Spider-Man? Both characters have the title of Spider-Man it just seems weird.
I'm not saying we should start naming Peter's pages "Peter Parker (Marvel Comics)" or "Peter Parker (Spider-Verse)" but to just have both characters have Spider-Man and their real names for their page names, similar to the Robin and Green Lantern profiles:
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So it'd be for example:
This of course shouldn't be applied to all of Peter's profiles just the versions that have Miles alongside with them.
I'm not saying we should start naming Peter's pages "Peter Parker (Marvel Comics)" or "Peter Parker (Spider-Verse)" but to just have both characters have Spider-Man and their real names for their page names, similar to the Robin and Green Lantern profiles:
Robin (Dick Grayson) (Millerverse)
Batman's first sidekick, Dick Grayson, also known as Robin was an acrobat turned into a superhero, and then into a supervillain after Batman fired him. After he was fired by Batman he underwent experiments which gave him a healing factor while also making him go mad, to the point where he mimics...
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Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) (Millerverse)
Formerly known as Hal Jordan, Green Lantern is one of the if not the strongest people in the Millerverse. While on earth he never realized his ring's full potential, much to Batman's annoyance it all changed when superheroes were outlawed. When that happened he decided to fly away from earth...
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This of course shouldn't be applied to all of Peter's profiles just the versions that have Miles alongside with them.
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Btw, here's my finished (for now) sandbox for Hexfinder:
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If she does not get some good spotlight in the Sorcerer Supreme series with Scarlet Witch, I am going to be very cross.
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thats uggo imoThis is less of a question for marvel comics and just marvel profiles in general, why are Miles' pages titled with his name while Peter gets to have Spider-Man? Both characters have the title of Spider-Man it just seems weird.
I'm not saying we should start naming Peter's pages "Peter Parker (Marvel Comics)" or "Peter Parker (Spider-Verse)" but to just have both characters have Spider-Man and their real names for their page names, similar to the Robin and Green Lantern profiles:
Robin (Dick Grayson) (Millerverse)
Batman's first sidekick, Dick Grayson, also known as Robin was an acrobat turned into a superhero, and then into a supervillain after Batman fired him. After he was fired by Batman he underwent experiments which gave him a healing factor while also making him go mad, to the point where he mimics...So it'd be for example:Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) (Millerverse)
Formerly known as Hal Jordan, Green Lantern is one of the if not the strongest people in the Millerverse. While on earth he never realized his ring's full potential, much to Batman's annoyance it all changed when superheroes were outlawed. When that happened he decided to fly away from earth...
This of course shouldn't be applied to all of Peter's profiles just the versions that have Miles alongside with them.
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i think if there is an insistence it can be Spider-Man (Peter Parker - Marvel Comics) or smth. But also there isn't a 616 Miles Morales (well there is but he's weird) so I think Peter's page should be Spider-Man (Marvel Comics)
In general like, I love legacy superheroes, but Miles does not remotely supersede Peter as Spider-Man in the comics. So sure for like, other versions where he is a major player, not comics. This isn't like, Kamala Khan with Ms. Marvel or something.
In general like, I love legacy superheroes, but Miles does not remotely supersede Peter as Spider-Man in the comics. So sure for like, other versions where he is a major player, not comics. This isn't like, Kamala Khan with Ms. Marvel or something.
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Yeah that would work better.
So use Ultimate instead? I'm not too worried about his Ultimate/Mainstream version since many profiles for Marvel/DC characters from there are just the super hero title and name, despite there being other versions since this is THE canonical version of said characters. So keeping it as Spider-Man (Miles Morales) seems fine.
For his Insomniac and Spider-Verse versions he definitely is on equal terms with Peter as Spider-Man, if not more for Spider-Verse
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I personally do not mind this solution, but we would have to turn the old page titles into redirect links.This is less of a question for marvel comics and just marvel profiles in general, why are Miles' pages titled with his name while Peter gets to have Spider-Man? Both characters have the title of Spider-Man it just seems weird.
I'm not saying we should start naming Peter's pages "Peter Parker (Marvel Comics)" or "Peter Parker (Spider-Verse)" but to just have both characters have Spider-Man and their real names for their page names, similar to the Robin and Green Lantern profiles:
Robin (Dick Grayson) (Millerverse)
Batman's first sidekick, Dick Grayson, also known as Robin was an acrobat turned into a superhero, and then into a supervillain after Batman fired him. After he was fired by Batman he underwent experiments which gave him a healing factor while also making him go mad, to the point where he mimics...So it'd be for example:Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) (Millerverse)
Formerly known as Hal Jordan, Green Lantern is one of the if not the strongest people in the Millerverse. While on earth he never realized his ring's full potential, much to Batman's annoyance it all changed when superheroes were outlawed. When that happened he decided to fly away from earth...
This of course shouldn't be applied to all of Peter's profiles just the versions that have Miles alongside with them.
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That should be fine yeahbut we would have to turn the old page titles into redirect links.
StarShooter80
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Which pages do we need to rename, and to which new titles? Can somebody link to them please?
- Spider-Man (Peter Parker) (Spider-Verse)
- Spider-Man (Miles Morales) (Spider-Verse)
- Spider-Man (Peter Parker) (Insomniac Games)
- Spider-Man (Miles Morales) (Insomniac Games)
But that's inconsistent with other existing page names that use the former format
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Yeah there's several examples like this with the Green Lantern pages I've mentioned before
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) (Millerverse)
Formerly known as Hal Jordan, Green Lantern is one of the if not the strongest people in the Millerverse. While on earth he never realized his ring's full potential, much to Batman's annoyance it all changed when superheroes were outlawed. When that happened he decided to fly away from earth...
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Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) (Post-Crisis)
Kyle Rayner is a top member of the Green Lantern Corps from Earth. After the rest of the Corps was destroyed, he alone was selected to bear the last power ring and carry on the title. Although he acted alone for many years, when the Corps was reformed, his skill level gave him a position as an...
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Green Lantern (Alan Scott) (Post-Crisis)
Alan Scott was just a normal railroad engineer until he discovered a lantern containing the Starheart, a powerful mystic artifact concealed by the Guardians. He then used his immense power to become the crime fighter, the Green Lantern. His power does not come from a Green Lantern Corps ring. He...
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Green Lantern (John Stewart) (Post-Crisis)
John Stewart is an architect who was selected by the Guardians of the Universe as Hal Jordan's backup after Guy Gardner was seriously injured in a disaster. Although, Jordan objected after seeing that Stewart had a belligerent attitude to authority figures, the Guardians stood by their...
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Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) (DC Universe)
Guy Gardner is a human member of the intergalactic Green Lantern Corps, as well as a superhero on Earth as the self-appointed leader of the Justice Gang, frequently working alongside the likes of Superman. Following the reveal of Superman's alleged mission to rule over Earth by Lex Luthor, Guy...
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Why would the Hell Lords scale to the Astral Plane?
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