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Genos (OPM) VS Sukuna (JJK)

Yeah but I forget how long it takes Naoya, 24hrs is all that's needed for the win con
 
LaserPrecision said:
Has he ever sensed something abstract in nature? If he's never sensed anything close to CE, he ain't sensing it cuz he vaguely sensed someone closing in.
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Didn’t Maki detect the slashes by sensing subtle changes in temperature and air pressure
Genos is equipped with highly advanced Hyper Sensors and a Search Eye designed to detect fast approaching objects and various anomalies in the environment. Genos’s technology could pick up the shockwaves, displaced air, or thermal friction it generates
Arkansalter2 said:
Inverse square law calls that a ***** btw.
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Do you really think Genos will allow him to create distance between them? Sukuna only has FTL reactions, not travel speed, while Genos has blitz tier boosters. Genos can literally do this, or this.
 
Farfetchedx said:
Didn’t Maki detect the slashes by sensing subtle changes in temperature and air pressure
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Maki post-heavenly restriction can also just sense Cursed Energy as stated in her rematch with Naoya. Also during that fight, all of her senses merged together. So her ability to sense cursed energy should also be merged with her ability to sense changes in the atmosphere.

And yeah, she did.
Farfetchedx said:
Genos is equipped with highly advanced Hyper Sensors and a Search Eye designed to detect fast approaching objects and various anomalies in the environment. Genos’s technology could pick up the shockwaves, displaced air, or thermal friction it generates
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If it has feats of picking up on those things, then sure. I am unsure how much Cursed Energy affects the atmosphere considering no one can feel, hear, or see cursed energy, even when it's physically touching/on them if they can't sense Cursed Energy.
Farfetchedx said:
Do you really think Genos will allow him to create distance between them? Sukuna only has FTL reactions, not travel speed, while Genos has blitz tier boosters. Genos can literally do this, or this.
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Tbf, reactions do allow small movements IIRC. But I think Sukuna is much more likely to disperse the attack with WCS while simultaneously cutting Genos in half vertically with it. Or worst case, waffles him.
 
That's fine, but it's cursed energy -> dismantle. He needs a layer.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Well Cursed Energy has abstract existence listed. Does psychic energy in OPM have abstract existence?
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Well not exactly. These are the abilities listed for Cursed Energy:
Incorporeality & Abstract Existence (Type 2; Cursed Spirits are manifestations born out of people's mind, thoughts and negative emotions)
Intangibility (Low-Grade Curses Only; Low Grade curses are able to phase through walls while stronger ones such as Semi-Grade 1 curses cannot)
Immortality (Types 1, 2 & 3)
Invulnerability (Mentioned within Cursed Energy section)
Regeneration (Low-Mid; A finger bearer[47] has shown casual regeneration of limbs in seconds, we see Hanami[48] and Jogo[49] are able to regenerate their arms as well and Todo stating its easy for them. Mid over time; Jogo is able to regenerate from decapitation, although taking likely a month[50] to do so[51][Note 2])
Invisibility (Cursed Spirits are normally invisible to the human eye, as they are forms of a second light. They also do not appear on video capturing devices and the sounds they make are imperceptible to non-sorcerers)
Fear Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement (Curses are shown to create an immense pressure that causes fear and paralysis in people's bodies unconsciously, even when the person does not even believe in the supernatural. Sorcerers have shown that they are not affected in most cases but higher level curses such as special grades have had this effect on weaker sorcerers)
Aura (Responsible for Fear Manipulation & Perception Manipulation; When fighting a strong grade 2 curse, both Kairi and Mai note the effects of the cursed spirit's aura to make them tremble, lose spirit, and become frightened. This aura is mentioned as capable of making normal people into a nightmarish state. This aura is described as foul and scorching)
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What's listed as having abstract existence are curses. And they're only type 2, meaning they only represent abstracts, not that they are pure absracts (which would be type 1)
Type 2: Embodies an abstraction, and can be resurrected or regenerate indefinitely thanks to it. Destroying the abstraction is required to permanently kill those characters, but they can still be affected without directly altering it.
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This doesn't really effect how difficult it would be to sense their cursed energy.
 
Kachon123 said:
What's listed as having abstract existence are curses. And they're only type 2, meaning they only represent abstracts, not that they are pure absracts (which would be type 1)
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Cursed energy is AE, wht you listed is for cursed spirits, they are type2.

Kachon123 said:
This doesn't really effect how difficult it would be to sense their cursed energy.
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We know technology in verse can't detect it without ce empowering the device mainly due to it existing as a different second light unknown to humans.
 
Mommyleona said:
i'd think if it was just about sensing, sorcerers would be able to sense it, since then can sense cursed energy and stuff, but cant sense Sukuna's slashes, and someone who can (Maki) is an exception
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Great brain cells think alike
 
Arkenis said:
I'd say ce empowerment is tied to all senses, so if they can't sense it either, then Genos probably can't either.
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Well that would be by default, unless that said person is able to sense things which are invisible, yet, still be unable to see it.
Mommyleona said:
i'd think if it was just about sensing, sorcerers would be able to sense it, since then can sense cursed energy and stuff, but cant sense Sukuna's slashes, and someone who can (Maki) is an exception
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Maybe they're just too fast.
 
LaserPrecision said:
They can't be too fast because Mahoraga could deflect/counter them when he could see them. But couldn't when he couldn't deflect them cuz he couldn't sense or see them.
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That's probably because both of his senses adapted, whilst an opponent could have superior senses in only 1 area, such as sense.
 
GunshyFever said:
That's probably because both of his senses adapted, whilst an opponent could have superior senses in only 1 area, such as sense.
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I don't follow at all. Every Sorcerer can sense Cursed Energy and see it. No one can see or sense Dismantle after it's been fired. Which is proven by Mahoraga. So I'm saying it resists detection.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I don't follow at all. Every Sorcerer can sense Cursed Energy and see it. No one can see or sense Dismantle after it's been fired. Which is proven by Mahoraga. So I'm saying it resists detection.
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I'm mainly talking about your Mahoraga example, whom hadn't adapted to C.E yet. In the case of regular sorcerers, Sukuna's slashes might've been too fast for them to sense.
 
GunshyFever said:
I'm mainly talking about your Mahoraga example, whom hadn't adapted to C.E yet. In the case of regular sorcerers, Sukuna's slashes might've been too fast for them to sense.
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It can't be too fast tho because then Mahoraga would be a blitz tier above Sukuna for reacting to supposedly blitz-level danmaku. Yet Sukuna can keep up in h2h just fine.
 
Can anyone show a scan talking about invisibility specifically? I checked the links, but can’t find it.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Are you looking on the Cursed Energy page, or Sukuna's?
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Shrine:
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This doesn't mention much.

I did check main CE page too. But... The mechanism is never explained. Barriers are stated to be effective against civilians, but not how. Gojo says "invisible", but it might be just a simplification, when this guy directly compares curses (which are in visible light spectrum) and CE phenomena.

So, not only can I not understand why Sakuna's slashes are invisible, I also am not sure how potent the invisibility itself is. I get that curses can't be seen on normal cameras, but it's not much. A very technical invisibility. If CE wasn't shown to be invisible to more sophisticated technology, one might argue that Genos' Sensors can detect it.
 
MrKerf said:
This doesn't mention much.

I did check main CE page too. But... The mechanism is never explained. Barriers are stated to be effective against civilians, but not how. Gojo says "invisible", but it might be just a simplification, when this guy directly compares curses (which are in visible light spectrum) and CE phenomena.

So, not only can I not understand why Sakuna's slashes are invisible, I also am not sure how potent the invisibility itself is. I get that curses can't be seen on normal cameras, but it's not much. A very technical invisibility. If CE wasn't shown to be invisible to more sophisticated technology, one might argue that Genos' Sensors can detect it.
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They are a second form of light (I.e. a completely new wavelength of light that intersects the visible spectrum of light. But eyes and cameras aren't designed to capture this form of light, only the known spectrum of light (from radio waves to gamma rays, or anything else I may be forgetting).

I don't think Genos would be able to see it unless he can see layered invisible stuff and the invisibility comes from being a second unique form of light.
 
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