(GRACE) Two lesbians fight for the title of gayest one (Noelle Holiday vs Quanxi) [ 7-0-0 ]

[Qurbonboev]

• Quanxi starts untransformed(but it isn't restricted)
• Distance is 20 meters
• Location is Dark World in Tokyo
• Speed is equalized
• Quanxi has prior knowledge about Noelle spatial hax
• SBA otherwise

The First Devil Hunter:
Scales to 100 tons of TNT, 443.66 with weapons. Class 100
Transformed: Scales to 443.66 tons, 550 with weapons. Class M

Angel: @The_Renegade_Slugger , @The_Almighty_Wholesome, @Anonymous_Learner , @LittleGuy99 ,
@Poketmonsrs, @Edutyn , @Qurbonboev
Scales to 513.24 tons of TNT, 550 tons with Iceshock, higher with Snowgrave. Class G

Evil and intimidating horse:

OST:

 

[StrymULTRA]

I don't see resistance to ice in Quanxi profile, what stops this from happening?

 

[LaserPrecision]

Isn't Quanxi's transformation a speedblitz amp (I somewhat disagree with that though. I think some justification in there is faulty)?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Isn't Quanxi's transformation a speedblitz amp (I somewhat disagree with that though. I think some justification in there is faulty)?

How quick is that? IceShock is pretty much a 1-frame thing.

 

[LaserPrecision]

How quick is that? IceShock is pretty much a 1-frame thing.

The speed amp itself is treated as allowing her to perception blitz people previously comparable to her IIRC? So perception blitzing equivalent foes from tens(ish) of meters away.

However, she doesn't open up with transforming, and transforming in and of itself isn't instant. So I do think she's like to just be frozen.

I wouldn't say the freezing is 1-frame either btw. She puts her hands up, blows snow, and then snowflakes spin over the enemy, and then they freeze over numerous frames. It's not a long time, I'm not saying that. But 1 frame is deceptive imo.

Not that it matters, I think Noelle is freezing her.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The speed amp itself is treated as allowing her to perception blitz people previously comparable to her IIRC? So perception blitzing equivalent foes from tens(ish) of meters away.

I should've worded myself better: How fast is the process for the transformation?

and transforming in and of itself isn't instant.

Ye that.

I wouldn't say the freezing is 1-frame either btw. She puts her hands up, blows snow, and then snowflakes spin over the enemy, and then they freeze over numerous frames. It's not a long time, I'm not saying that. But 1 frame is deceptive imo.

What I mean is that it's not a ranged attack, it still takes less than a second overall.

 

[Qurbonboev]

I should've worded myself better: How fast is the process for the transformation?

Ye that.

What I mean is that it's not a ranged attack, it still takes less than a second overall.

Quanxi still can dodge during this time(unless you think Iceshock just spawns on top of enemy), and probably would since her usual tactics is to dash opponent and decapitate it.
Might give Quanxi knowledge about Soulhax and spatial attacks

 

[StrymULTRA]

Quanxi still can dodge during this time(unless you think Iceshock just spawns on top of enemy)

Because it does? It works on the same logic as the ranged attacks after all (X-Slash and similar ones).

 

[LaserPrecision]

What I mean is that it's not a ranged attack, it still takes less than a second overall.

If you mean just the freezing part, sure, but I counted the frames, and the attack in its entirety takes approximately 110 frames. Vid has a frame rate of 60 fps. About 1.8 seconds to pull off the spell. Which is rather fair tbh.

 

[StrymULTRA]

If you mean just the freezing part, sure, but I counted the frames, and the attack in its entirety takes approximately 110 frames. Vid has a frame rate of 60 fps. About 1.8 seconds to pull off the spell. Which is rather fair tbh.

Bro even counted the frames

 

[Qurbonboev]

Because it does? It works on the same logic as the ranged attacks after all (X-Slash and similar ones).

Should have worded it better. Regular attacks, X-slash, Iceshock spawn on top of enemy, but they aren't surehit. You can dodge them. Regular attacks need blitz tier superiority in speed, but Iceshock is bit more forgiving

 

[Zabazab]

(I somewhat disagree with that though. I think some justification in there is faulty)

Makima blitzed Quanxi so hard that she was still talking without realizing she had already been beheaded. Bow Devil Quanxi = Skinny Pochita = Makima > Human Quanxi.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Regular attacks, X-slash, Iceshock spawn on top of enemy, but they aren't surehit. You can dodge them.

You do that only with prior knowledge in-verse, though.

 

[Qurbonboev]

You do that only with prior knowledge in-verse, though.

Gave prior knowledge (and added appropriate music)

 

[LaserPrecision]

Makima blitzed Quanxi so hard that she was still talking without realizing she had already been beheaded. Bow Devil Quanxi = Skinny Pochita = Makima > Human Quanxi.

I didn't say it shouldn't be a blitz-amp at all (Though I will scrutinize that on my own). Just that some of the current examples used as justification are faulty.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

We gotta execute Deltarune fans

 

[Qurbonboev]

We gotta execute Deltarune fans

What did I even do?

 

[LittleGuy99]

We gotta execute Deltarune fans

Watch your tone

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

What did I even do?

wanked a 9-B verse to 4-A smh

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

wanked a 9-B verse to 4-A smh

*10-B

 

[StrymULTRA]

We gotta execute Deltarune fans

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

*10-B

"Urgh, this joystick... it's heavy as ****, my Class G LS can't do shit!" - Kris Deltarune

 

[StrymULTRA]

Hey, LOK, don't you know that you're pretty much instigating shit and derailing, right? Idrc about the fight but you're just spreading negativity for no reason besides drama.

 

[Qurbonboev]

wanked a 9-B verse to 4-A smh

How it's relevant to this debate at all? 9-B Noelle still can kill Quanxi with soul and icehax, and I don't think Noelle would survive head slice even with 5x AP advantage

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

How it's relevant to this debate at all? 9-B Noelle still can kill Quanxi with soul and icehax, and I don't think Noelle would survive head slice even with 5x AP advantage

Isn't soulhax barely hax in delta/undertale

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Isn't soulhax barely hax in delta/undertale

Nah it's hax hax now

 

[Epiccheev]

JJK fans are the ones who failed Gojo for not wanking him to High 3-A via domain expansion

 

[StrymULTRA]

JJK fans are the ones who failed Gojo for not wanking him to High 3-A via domain expansion

Where is JJK is this room m8

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Nah it's hax hax now

Laughable but then Quanxi doesn't stand any chance at all. Naturally higher AP, more range, more LS, temperature hax and also soul hax? Quanxi ain't doing shit

 

[StrymULTRA]

Laughably

 

[Epiccheev]

Where is JJK is this room m8

Csm is a JJK spinoff

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

 

[Epiccheev]

Uh... Quanxi can go crossbow lesbian mode and zoom around really fast.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Laughably but then Quanxi doesn't stand any chance at all. Naturally higher AP, more range, more LS, temperature hax and also soul hax? Quanxi ain't doing shit

Quanxi has prior knowledge so she's not getting insta-frozen.
Also like the soul hax is basically meaningless here since Quanxi is getting frozen if she gets hit by the IceShock anyway.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Quanxi has prior knowledge so she's not getting insta-frozen.
Also like the soul hax is basically meaningless here since Quanxi is getting frozen if she gets hit by the IceShock anyway.

"Ignorance is a bliss"
I don't think prior knowledge will change anything. Quanxi fights are all around about her stat stomping everyone. We have no clue of how she would think or what kind of strategy she could make to counter Noelle at all.

Either way, Noelle does have insane advantages here, so I'm voting for her if it's not a stomp

 

[StrymULTRA]

Quanxi has prior knowledge so she's not getting insta-frozen.
Also like the soul hax is basically meaningless here since Quanxi is getting frozen if she gets hit by the IceShock anyway.

Eh not really meaningless, Quanxi is getting down in 3-4 hits even without IceShock in account.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

"Ignorance is a bliss"
I don't think prior knowledge will change anything. Quanxi fights are all around about her stat stomping everyone. We have no clue of how she would think or what kind of strategy she could make to counter Noelle at all.

Either way, Noelle does have insane advantages here, so I'm voting for her if it's not a stomp

I mean, you just have to move away when Noelle gestures, it ain't that complicated. Even Lancer can consistently dodge Susie's attacks if you warn him about it.
Also you forgot to account for Quanxi getting a blitz speed amp when she transforms.

Eh not really meaningless, Quanxi is getting down in 3-4 hits even without IceShock in account.

Ig? It's still just objectively worse than just using IceShock, especially since Noelle's regular attacks deal basically no damage.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ig? It's still just objectively worse than just using IceShock, especially since Noelle's regular attacks deal basically no damage.

Hey at LV 2 she has the same ATK as LV 1 Ralsei, so there's that at least.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Actually just remembered that when the slower characters wins primarily through a speed amp, the match can't get added.
So Quanxi can't transform here :P

 

[StrymULTRA]

Actually just remembered that when the slower characters wins primarily through a speed amp, the match can't get added.
So Quanxi can't transform here :P

That rule applies to mainly just Infinite/Immeasurable characters who would otherwise lolnope Time Stop and similar powers, speed amps are indeed allowed instead (otherwise most of DB fights can't work coz of funi SSJ multiplier).