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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

I'll delete the message just to spite your effort
lmfao
I'm going back to Lego Star Wars.
peak decision-making

Well you have said that he's is everything wrong with the Jedi Order, but I do think you can go worse, especially since Ki-Adi didn't fail his apprentice
You can fail all apprentices and not be as bad as Ki-Adi Mundi
War crimes, poorly representing the council by dying like a bag of **** and iirc we're to treat him as a representative of the blindness of the High Council
Basically in every major thing he could, he failed
 
the lack of a centralized military is exactly why the yuuzhan vong do not work for the High Republic era.

the HR is not a story about a complacent galaxy needing to be violently “woken up” by an extinction level invasion.
It is about a young, optimistic rrepublic learning, often painfully, that good intentions, decentralized power, and moral authority are not always enough. the conflicts are meant to test ideals, . dropping the vong into that setting skips the entire philosophical arc and jumps straight to an end of era crisis.
the Nihil in turn create conflicts that cannot be solved by brute force alone. they force characters and institutions to confront abstract problems like trust, coordination, authority, and moral compromise,the vong reduce most conflicts to survival math. unite or die. in turn the nihil are a distorted reflection of the republic itself, decentralized, idealistic in their own way, and empowered by freedom without responsibility. they emerge from within the same system the republic believes in.

more importantly, something like the vong wouldnnt really make sense for the time period the HR is set in. Its clearly meant to evoke Star Wars’ fantasy roots,the Knights of the round table, a mythic “golden age,” and an era of optimism and exploration. the vong are more like endgame bosses,they function almost entirely as an invasion story, designed for a setting where the galaxy is already exhausted and fractured.

honestly, the vong haven’t aged all that well either. A lot of their writing relies on trying to appear mature through excessive sadism, masochism, and shock value,which feels pretty dated now. on top of that, their religious symbiosis with the wider SW universe is kind of undercooked. later HR stuff especially Phase II, with factions like the Path of the Open Hand does a significantly better job exploring religious cults, belief systems, and their relationship with the force in a more thoughtful way.

Also i'm not sure if your up to date with the HR or not but the Nihil arn't really the main villains of the High Republic either
To be honest I'm just spoiled by everything Old Republic lol
 
To be honest I'm just spoiled by everything Old Republic lol
its a great era i also think the fact its setting allows both the darkside and jedi to be major players at once lets it have the benefit of being able to use all the star wars toys lol, that being said i also have my issues with it in material outside of stuff like tales of the jedi and Kotor specifically but I blame Kotor 1 for ruining the aesthetic of the era set up in tales and old republic double downing on it by making it basically bootleg Prequels.

that being said the fact that kreia exist in this era puts the old republic up there in terms of having a great lineup of villains in a specific era. (if not the best era overall ?)
 
character X defeating character Y doesn't mean character Y can't downscale. It depends on how the fight went, the characters' mentality, or extra factors (like whether someone was holding back or fighting seriously).

Ashoka, for example, besides that statement, also says: "The only people who could truly match Ahsoka, blow for blow, were Vader or the Emperor," during the Rebels arc. This indicates that against other characters, she probably holds back to some extent.
I'm not saying that inherently, but it would be a better argument if Grievous didn't already have antifeats like losing to Asajj. Also speaking of mentality we know how Yoda fights, and I don't think a clash between Yoda and Grievous is great for scaling when Yoda also holds back to an extent. To be clear, I'm mostly talking about Grievous and Yoda, not Ahsoka during the Imperial Era. I brought up Ahsoka because the statement is in an interview with Filoni on Ahsoka. I'm not opposed to Grievous being 7-B at all, but not from Yoda lol.

Anyways, I think we should find more feats for the lower end Padawan and Knight Characters. I would be one thing scaling everyone from a casual feat done by the lowest fodder, but when we have the high republic statements in context its not great.

Though with what we have rn, it could be High 8-C Younglings, 8-B Padawan, 8-B+ Knights from Ahsoka, since her feat is from the same season Mace said she was ready to be Knighted. Also the 7-B could be a likely or possibly for characters that are higher up than that but aren't top of the verse, in the meantime. It's kinda hard bc the only feats 8-A and above that aren't from Vader is Rey, but idk how that would work.
 
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You can fail all apprentices and not be as bad as Ki-Adi Mundi
War crimes, poorly representing the council by dying like a bag of **** and iirc we're to treat him as a representative of the blindness of the High Council
Basically in every major thing he could, he failed
crazy Ki adi Mundi slander
 
its a great era i also think the fact its setting allows both the darkside and jedi to be major players at once lets it have the benefit of being able to use all the star wars toys lol, that being said i also have my issues with it in material outside of stuff like tales of the jedi and Kotor specifically but I blame Kotor 1 for ruining the aesthetic of the era set up in tales and old republic double downing on it by making it basically bootleg Prequels.

that being said the fact that kreia exist in this era puts the old republic up there in terms of having a great lineup of villains in a specific era. (if not the best era overall ?)
I think it's the best Era overall.

The Triumvirate are great, so is Revan and Malak, and Vitiate/Valkorion/Tenebrae is obviously a stand-out. Not even counting SWTOR class story villains like Baras, Jadus, etc.

Also it has Darth Marr.
i aint defending the living penis man lmfao

Kit fisto is my prequel goat.
My prequel GOAT is Qui-Gon Jinn so...
 
My prequel GOAT is Qui-Gon Jinn so...
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one of the recent comics explained that Jinn was stabbed twice prior to his fight with Maul so he was physically not in great shape to be taking a lightsaber ig lol
TBH Jinn is just someone I want to make a rework of just to give him like Genius Intelligence or something lol

Only reason I don't is because I don't want to get into scaling like where he is at.
 
relax urself buddy, my glorious king left the jedi order for his wife unlike a certain fallen fraud who kills his
well my actual high republic goat
banged his lover and stayed as one of the most powerful jedi till the end and then ascended into a state that prevented the literal destruction of the galaxy alongside his lover,
so i have no idea who this fraudwalker is.
 
Eh **** it, might as well. I can wank Jinn to Malachor V and back and nobody can stop me.
 
"She saw the next milliseconds as if they were being dragged through tar, slow and inevitable, waiting for the blow to land on her."

can this be used for anything?

or this

"In moments when she had just milliseconds, she took that fraction of time, stretched it out to a thousand breaths. Enya relaxed. Felt the Force around her. Felt the Dalnan soil beneath her fingertips. The fury of the four attacking her. And she exhaled."
 
"She saw the next milliseconds as if they were being dragged through tar, slow and inevitable, waiting for the blow to land on her."

can this be used for anything?

or this

"In moments when she had just milliseconds, she took that fraction of time, stretched it out to a thousand breaths. Enya relaxed. Felt the Force around her. Felt the Dalnan soil beneath her fingertips. The fury of the four attacking her. And she exhaled."
This provides further support for the idea of Force users/Jedi being able to slow down their perception to the point of slowing down time.

We already have a general statement for this thanks to the Force Speed card, but it's always good to have more support.
 
Kylo Ren has good arguments to potentially scale over/be a peer of ROTJ Luke through the TLJ novelization.
 
Also there is a similar statement from Yoda to Mace in movies as well. Although I agree Yoda is least impacted by this. He still has his High 7-C as a backup at least lol. All jokes aside, I agree with keeping 7-B for some of the characters. And I should note Yoda is not a great person to backscale the verse from using Grevious. If you look at the quote where Filoni talks about he handled Ahsoka cautiously because of how powerful she has become, he also says explicitly he had to use Yoda a lot less during Clone Wars because he could basically beat everyone.
Weren't Yoda's words to Mace about how their ability to see across the galaxy with the Force had been diminished? That's why they had to be told there was a Sith in the Republic
 
Yeah I recall that there's statements of Ben being in a ballpark of power that Luke finds considerable
yeah in shadows of the sith and early in TLJ, he mentions Kylo's potential to even rival him, and when he catches Rey and Kylo sexting on the island he basically confirms that Kylo achieved that Potential.
 
i just remembered that the ahsoka show introduced a ton of powercliffing
Tbf, all of the Inquisitors should still be 8-B or higher even without the High Republic scaling. How does the Ahsoka show impact things?

I would have to go through D+ again to scale Ezra, but from my memory it would be if we made Pre Ahsoka Keys
High 8-C | 8-B | 8-B
 
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Balin and co being able to push post Rebels Ahsoka in any regard prob puts them above most of the HR Jedi too which is almost most of the prequel jedi.
 
Kylo Ren has good arguments to potentially scale over/be a peer of ROTJ Luke through the TLJ novelization.
Are you specifically talking about ROTJ? Because, like, the old Luke is his post-prime version and even then Kylo couldn't land a single hit on Luke.

Tbf, all of the Inquisitors should still be 8-B or higher even without the High Republic scaling. How does the Ahsoka show impact things?

I would have to go through D+ again to scale Ezra, but from my memory it would be if we made Pre Ahsoka Keys
High 8-C | 8-B | 8-B
8-A
 
Are you specifically talking about ROTJ? Because, like, the old Luke is his post-prime version and even then Kylo couldn't land a single hit on Luke.
Kylo was emotionally distraught but no Kylo doesnt scale above Prime Luke who can fight ancient sith lords on the moon. but he does scale close in terms of pure power, Luke is just significantly more skilled.
 
also in a recent comic Kylo became so disgusted that naboo his grandmothers world decided to give up so easily against the first order that he decided to dress as a vigilante for naboo and play both sids lol
 
the only issue with the Kylo and Luke thing is that Luke is explicitly referred to being = to Vader and Kylo himself is explicitly below vader even by tros, unless its more of a relative scale of Kylo<Luke~Vader
 
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