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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Yeah honestly, I’m willing to give Shion benefit of the doubt. Charlie’s wound appeared many times, General of Exorcists’ one though… zero times. And he is shown on screen far more than her. Frankly, I did not even remember Charlie getting a wound, but I clearly remember General of Exorcists being stabbed and that’s the moment he decides to screw up Charlie, which then allows Lucifer to interfere. So it’s fairly important and has no anti-feats, so I’d say it’s fine in my book.
 
Again, none of that reaches the Sinner level. Im fine with them having similar immortality across the board due to Angelic weapons diff but the regen part is lacking evidence, we dont have a proper comparison point to truly say that Goetia members can come back from the absurd highs that Sinners can.

Honestly Vivziepop writing diff, im pretty sure Blitz should know angelic weapons should work on him so idk why he would think Stolas just can't be hurt at all. Unless there's some context im missing
 
Its literally only Blizzard and Reaper, I am willing to debate them on a CRT if they wanna continue being stubborn on the most basic logics
I'll straight up just call evaluation staff to evaluate and skip the debate against a brick wall. And if you don't get your way, you're gonna *****, moan, whine, and complain.

Not even mentioning right now I don't have to lift a damn finger because immortality and regen are only in the Sinner section of Demon Physiology. So really, Goetia need their legit regen RN.
 
Like at a certain point we're just being strict for the sake of being strict, ******* Dragon Ball doesn't do this
I do agree at certain points we should be lenient, the difference with Dragon Ball however is they do straight up have that singular comparison point. Literally my only criteria for this is 'find something that gives credit for comparison'. That isn't strictness that's asking for the bare minimum.

If we were arguing a possibly/likely then yeah I wouldn't be arguing on this since those ratings are speculatory, but since this is meant to be a flat rating we need something to prove it
 
It gets to a point, listing Stolas' regen just based on its showing, you end up with Blitz being able to actually kill Stolas which just makes no sense at all?
And if not that, then you’re left with the implication that a random sinner with a bomb, or honestly anyone who just stabs him in the head, could do the same? Which doesn't at all follow how little of a threat Stolas or any Goetia really view Imps as, even when they're armed.
 
I support Detective and Reaper because it goes in favor of my anti-Helluva agenda /j
But eh, being totally fair they do sound better. They clearly have some Immortality but nothing says it’s superior to Sinners. Besides, we have Неаven counterpart example (Lute, who should logically be above average Winner, has no Regen). Don’t forget, Sinners’ regeneration is the mechanic of afterlife. They are supposed to suffer there forever (yes I know they don’t quite suffer there as badly as one would think but that’s just on Vivzie’s writing).
I’m still in favor of General of Exorcists’ Resistance to Regeneration Negation though.
 
It gets to a point, listing Stolas' regen just based on its showing, you end up with Blitz being able to actually kill Stolas which just makes no sense at all?
And if not that, then you’re left with the implication that a random sinner with a bomb, or honestly anyone who just stabs him in the head, could do the same? Which doesn't at all follow how little of a threat Stolas or any Goetia really view Imps as, even when they're armed.
That's just the problem with the verse I can't trust a damn thing with it. The exact same thing can be argued for the Angels, which due to reputation were also similarly treated as these unkillable, untouchable entities that nobody had a chance of killing. Look where that lead us. Characters just seem to have reputations blown out of proportions due to nobody actually pulling it off/being dumb enough to even try. If the franchise didn't give me reason to doubt character reputation every 5 seconds I'd probably be more agreeable but with how things are the Goetia just lack anything concrete enough for me to say 'yeah, they 100% are harder to kill than an average sinner/are comparable in difficulty'
 
Actually wait, Stolas recovered from the Angelic Weapon wounds, didn't he?
Well that could grant the similar resistance like Adam (which could give credit for the future possibilities of the hierarchy granting higher levels of immortality resistances), I don't think that counts for superior regeneration (same line of logic ends with Charlie and Lucifer just being unkillable to angelic weapons, which isn't a regen thing)
 
Well that could grant the similar resistance like Adam (which could give credit for the future possibilities of the hierarchy granting higher levels of immortality resistances)
Didn’t he have medical help? I recall Reaper saying that long time ago but may be misremembering.

It’s still resisting AWs negation (Alastor couldn’t heal in two months), but ehh… don’t think that’s very combat-applicable.
 
Didn’t he have medical help? I recall Reaper saying that long time ago but may be misremembering.

It’s still resisting AWs negation (Alastor couldn’t heal in two months), but ehh… don’t think that’s very combat-applicable.
Depending on however the Angel hierarchy ends up Adam might be higher, so the Goetia might act as the lowest level of the resistances (Can eventually recover), Adam and higher angels being a bit better (Can still somewhat regenerate, but ultimately will die to a lethal hit), and ultimately landing on the level of Lucifer/Charlie/Voice of God (Unkillable to angel weapons)
 
That's just the problem with the verse I can't trust a damn thing with it. The exact same thing can be argued for the Angels, which due to reputation were also similarly treated as these unkillable, untouchable entities that nobody had a chance of killing. Look where that lead us. Characters just seem to have reputations blown out of proportions due to nobody actually pulling it off/being dumb enough to even try. If the franchise didn't give me reason to doubt character reputation every 5 seconds I'd probably be more agreeable but with how things are the Goetia just lack anything concrete enough for me to say 'yeah, they 100% are harder to kill than an average sinner/are comparable in difficulty'
Is it a similar situation? For one, the Goetia have some of the most blatant regeneration showings in the series right now, whereas Exorcists mostly have stuff pointing against that being the case (Looking at Lute) or at best only do so under very specific circumstances. And second, unlike Exorcists who have at least some stuff pointing to it maybe being a stat thing, Goetia are effectively made of playdough. Even the weakest Hellborn can seriously mess them up, which lends more credence into their reputation as these supposedly unkillable beings. Helped by the fact that we have a guy who again REGULARLY severely harms a Goetia and still thought they were invincible.
 
Hell, if we wanna really be safe about it, remove Low-High from Sinners.
Nothing says they can come back after being eaten, for all we know, being eaten is in the same realm as having your soul destroyed by Alastor.
 
Is it a similar situation? For one, the Goetia have some of the most blatant regeneration showings in the series right now, whereas Exorcists mostly have stuff pointing against that being the case (Looking at Lute) or at best only do so under very specific circumstances. And second, unlike Exorcists who have at least some stuff pointing to it maybe being a stat thing, Goetia are effectively made of playdough. Even the weakest Hellborn can seriously mess them up, which gives more credence into their reputation as these supposedly unkillable beings. Helped by the fact that we have a guy who again REGULARLY harms a Goetia and still thought they were invincible.
Yes it is effectively the same thing, many of the points revolve around 'Oh a regular hellborn regularly harms him' however by admission just a few comments ago it was still believed that they couldn't be harmed despite evidence to the contrary. Outside of the IMP crew nobody in hell is rolling up to the Goetia, and that's only at the much later points of the story. Most of the story has the Goetia rely on reputation to get what they want, so much so that Blitz didn't even think Stolas could be hurt despite evidence otherwise. You said it yourself

'the fact that we have a guy who again REGULARLY harms a Goetia and still thought they were invincible'

That itself is a contradicting statement
 
Hell, if we wanna really be safe about it, remove Low-High from Sinners.
Nothing says they can come back after being eaten, for all we know, being eaten is in the same realm as having your soul destroyed by Alastor.
I see your point and I do feel like at some parts this conservatism is too strict (like with General of Exorcists' regen), but Goetia being above Sinners in terms of Regen is indeed iffy because Sinners' reasoning is explicitly afterlife stuff, which does not apply to Goetia.
 
"you won't survive that thing, no human can survive it...i can, because i am immortal"
PROCEDS TO SURVIVE IT EVEN WHEN THEY ARE A HUMAN
 
I disagree with everything above.
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Hell, if we wanna really be safe about it, remove Low-High from Sinners.
Nothing says they can come back after being eaten, for all we know, being eaten is in the same realm as having your soul destroyed by Alastor.
Same with Reaper honestly, I don't even know why we think you can be eaten repeatedly considering the wording of the feat makes it sound like it's the same sinner being eaten multiple times which I don't think is true.

There's still other examples that put the Sinners on a higher level than the Goetia, but I'm just working with what I can see.

Also if we nerf the Sinner regeneration enough, then my GOAT Velvette will end up as the strongest regeneration in the entire verse.
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PRAISE BE TO MY AGENDA! FOR MY SIDE CAN'T BE SLANDERED FROM THE SHOW'S GOD-AWFUL WRITING!!!!
 
Yes it is effectively the same thing, many of the points revolve around 'Oh a regular hellborn regularly harms him' however by admission just a few comments ago it was still believed that they couldn't be harmed despite evidence to the contrary. Outside of the IMP crew nobody in hell is rolling up to the Goetia, and that's only at the much later points of the story. Most of the story has the Goetia rely on reputation to get what they want, so much so that Blitz didn't even think Stolas could be hurt despite evidence otherwise. You said it yourself

'the fact that we have a guy who again REGULARLY harms a Goetia and still thought they were invincible'

That itself is a contradicting statement
No it's not? Everyone called Majin Buu invincible not cause he was no-selling attacks or whatever, buddy was getting shredded by bullets, but he always come back, good as new. This is the same situation? Like I'd get it if this was pre-Sinsmas, but we literally have I.M.P fighting a Goetia and not being able to do anything cause he could regen everything?
 
I saw it mentioned earlier but Winner's having Sinner Regen should be self explanatory and should've been a thing long ago
I'm personally fine with Adam's resistence to Regen Negation and Goetia having sinner Regen (only as a possiblity, I think they're accurately low-mid at best)
Hell, if we wanna really be safe about it, remove Low-High from Sinners.
That's fine by me, gets rid of the biggest annoyances in sinner matchups, killing the sinner
 
I saw it mentioned earlier but Winner's having Sinner Regen should be self explanatory and should've been a thing long ago
Would it also be “slow” and painful like Sinners are faster and painless considering pne is punishment other is a prize?

Why are we removing Low High again?
 
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