Katsuki Bakugo VS Susie (Deltarune): Explosive Justice

[Bruhtelho]

Dark Hero Arc Bakugo and Dark World Susie (Chapter 4) are used

Fight takes place within a Dark World that was created inside U.A. High School

Speed is Equalized

Susie has access to her standard equipment, the Justice Axe, and a stack of Scarlixir

Both start 30 meters apart

Battle track: MEGALOVANIA - VS Susie​

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The Explosive Hero-in-Training, Dynamight: 0

The Axe of Justice, Susie: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Bruhtelho]

Stats for both:

Katsuki Bakugo is 2.15 Megatons with this increasing massively via Howitzer Impact and Cluster

Susie is 6.3 Megatons with Rude Buster being superior to that.

 

[StrymULTRA]

What really stops Susie from using the ranged melee attacks with SOUL hax and keeping to use OkHeal and other items?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Give Bakugo prior knowledge about Susie Soulhax and her ranged melee attacks.
Normal travel speed for Bakugo is 18 times slower than his combat speed, and to keep up with Susie he would need to use Explosion(I assume any explosions he can produce suffice).
Soulhax would ensure that Bakugo would die in 2-4 hits max, and he prolly can't heal soul damage.
Class G vs baseline class K and that Striking strength difference makes CQC kinda hopeless.

 

[Bruhtelho]

What really stops Susie from using the ranged melee attacks with SOUL hax and keeping to use OkHeal and other items?

Bakugo is an incredibly quick opponent on his feet and loves to propel himself through the air with his explosions all well spamming them at his opponent from afar, ion doubt Susie hitting one of the ranged melee attacks since they'll definitely take Bakugo by surprise but afterwards he'd likely play it much more safe and we've seen them be dodged by more skilled fighters before such as Gerson so she'd 100% have to try and hit a small target all well getting explosions thrown at her

OkHeal and Items kind of fall into the same problem, they take time to happen and we've even seen her items be cancelled out and if Bakugo just keeps shooting explosions at her then she'd likely never get the chance to properly use them.

that doesn't mean Susie is completely helpless tho, the lack of soul resistance from Bakugo on top of her being the stronger fighter means that it'll only take a good couple hits to really put him down IF she can land them and she has an assortment of ACTs she could use to keep Bakugo in place for that chance to hit him such as her numerous Sleep manip options.

 

[Bruhtelho]

Give Bakugo prior knowledge about Susie Soulhax and her ranged melee attacks.
Normal travel speed for Bakugo is 18 times slower than his combat speed, and to keep up with Susie he would need to use Explosion(I assume any explosions he can produce suffice).
Soulhax would ensure that Bakugo would die in 2-4 hits max, and he prolly can't heal soul damage.
Class G vs baseline class K and that Striking strength difference makes CQC kinda hopeless.

ion think Bakugo needs that much leeway

Bakugo isn't CQC fighter, he spams his explosions at the opponent, all well propelling himself through the air with them, and has created numerous techniques to do so. and if Bakugo truly feels threatened enough then he'll go into Cluster which will make him even harder to hit as they increase his speed and make the ap difference much smaller.

LS and Striking Strength are pointless here since he doesn't fight in CQC

 

[StrymULTRA]

Bakugo is an incredibly quick opponent on his feet and loves to propel himself through the air with his explosions all well spamming them at his opponent from afar, ion doubt Susie hitting one of the ranged melee attacks since they'll definitely take Bakugo by surprise but afterwards he'd likely play it much more safe and we've seen them be dodged by more skilled fighters before such as Gerson so she'd 100% have to try and hit a small target all well getting explosions thrown at her

OkHeal and Items kind of fall into the same problem, they take time to happen and we've even seen her items be cancelled out and if Bakugo just keeps shooting explosions at her then she'd likely never get the chance to properly use them.

Yeah but the thing is that explosions aren't exactly something new to her, given that Jevil, Spamton NEO or Pippins are examples of characters who use explosions.

Not only are items/OkHeal instantaneous, but the ranged attack allows her to hit him instantly the moment she swings the axe, and I don't think Bakugo has dealt with anything like that. If anything, it's a feat of Gerson.

 

[Lilybitdun]

Yeah her distance ignoring soul hax melee attacks would just kill him

I think prior knowledge for bakugo is necessary

 

[Bruhtelho]

Yeah but the thing is that explosions aren't exactly something new to her, given that Jevil, Spamton NEO or Pippins are examples of characters who use explosions.

the way Bakugos are produced are not only far different from characters shes faced as those are usually just byproducts of their attacks but they're also much MUCH bigger than the ones shes faced esp once he gets serious not even adding onto the fact that can ignore conventional durability due to how hot they are and can harm characters such as suppressed All Might.

Not only are items/OkHeal instantaneous, but the ranged attack allows her to hit him instantly the moment she swings the axe, and I don't think Bakugo has dealt with anything like that. If anything, it's a feat of Gerson.

the Items clearly are shown to not be instantaneous, as we see in the Gerson Fight, the items pops out in a lil sparkle and Gerson instantly reacts to it, catching it in mid air. so they clearly are shown to as physical things and that she has to pull out but still fast given that its like 2 seconds after she puts her hand out. OkHeal I can give the benefit of the doubt given that she simply raises her axe and is healed up a bit but even then she has to gain TP for that and its incredibly small healing.

She'll still have to hit him all well hes flying around and launching explosions at her, if Gerson could dodge even when standing still, imagine what someone already moving causes and again his range is much greater than the reach of her ignoring distance attacks so he really won't have any problems getting her at bay which is already how he fights, his explosions can vary from Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers well her Ignoring Distances is limited to Tens of Meters.

Yeah her distance ignoring soul hax melee attacks would just kill him

I think prior knowledge for bakugo is necessary

I really don't think its necessary but if others really view it as such then i'll give it to him but i'll hold off for now

 

[StrymULTRA]

the way Bakugos are produced are not only far different from characters shes faced as those are usually just byproducts of their attacks but they're also much MUCH bigger than the ones shes faced esp once he gets serious not even adding onto the fact that can ignore conventional durability due to how hot they are and can harm characters such as suppressed All Might.

Doesn't mean she'd be completely helpless given her experience in danmaku dodging tho.

the Items clearly are shown to not be instantaneous, as we see in the Gerson Fight, the items pops out in a lil sparkle and Gerson instantly reacts to it, catching it in mid air. so they clearly are shown to as physical things and that she has to pull out

...because Gerson happens to be far faster than her, to the point he's literally a blitz above her? He has multiple feats of blitzing her, and one of blitzing the Fun Gang at once against the Titan. Bakugo is not comparable to him lmfao.

 

[Bruhtelho]

Doesn't mean she'd be completely helpless given her experience in danmaku dodging tho.

ik that but she'll still have to attempt dodging Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers AOE explosions which I just don't see happening super often but she's still more than competent in dodging some of his attacks to gather TP.

because Gerson happens to be far faster than her, to the point he's literally a blitz above her? He has multiple feats of blitzing her, and one of blitzing the Fun Gang at once against the Titan. Bakugo is not comparable to him lmfao.

i'm well aware Gerson is superior to the Fun Gang and Susie herself, i'm saying that the action can be cancelled esp if Bakugo is raining hell on her not because of speed but because of how many attacks he'd be throwing out, doesn't mean they can't happening but she'd have to find the opening needed.

 

[Qurbonboev]

OkHeal I can give the benefit of the doubt given that she simply raises her axe and is healed up a bit but even then she has to gain TP for that and its incredibly small healing.

It's letter gets upgraded to BetterHeal, that heals almost all full bar of hp. And in cutscenes she can fully heal other party members.

She'll still have to hit him all well hes flying around and launching explosions at her, if Gerson could dodge even when standing still, imagine what someone already moving causes and again his range is much greater than the reach of her ignoring distance attacks so he really won't have any problems getting her at bay which is already how he fights, his explosions can vary from Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers well her Ignoring Distances is limited to Tens of Meters.

Gerson routinely perception blitz Susie, and he has Analytical prediction.
How fast explosions do spread compared to Bakugo combat speed?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Give Insert 63rd street mans user name here prior knowledge on the spatial attacks otherwise this is kind of a landslide win

 

[LittleGuy99]

Outside of what has already been said

Susie can tire Bakugo out with hypnosys, at the same time reducing his strength
Susie can increase her own strength by 50% just by motivating herself
Susie can tire out all enemies in combat just by roaring
Can fill the combat area with bullets and magic axes

Susie FRA

 

[Bruhtelho]

Susie can tire Bakugo out with hypnosys, at the same time reducing his strength

Strength reduction is kind of pointless since Bakugo is constantly getting stronger simply by sweating, so it'd quickly get offset but the tiring him out is fair

Can fill the combat area with bullets and magic axes

kind of limited by her range since it doesn't scale to darkeners magic so Bakugo horrifically outranges her

all the other stuff makes sense, Susie's wincon is tiring Bakugo out in order to land the hits she actually needs to put him down VS Bakugo's wincon of whittling her down just by blasting Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers AOE explosions each of which ignore conventional durability due to how hot they are and avoiding her attack range and being constantly moving target, not even addressing the fact Cluster would grant Bakugo a huge speed advantage if he uses it.

also his Supernatural Willpower should cover getting simply tired since even regular darkeners can still fight despite being tired and Bakugo can keep going despite severe injuries all over his body.

bump as well

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Voting Susie FRA.

 

[Steve1775]

Bakugo FRA

 

[Qurbonboev]

all the other stuff makes sense, Susie's wincon is tiring Bakugo out in order to land the hits she actually needs to put him down VS Bakugo's wincon of whittling her down just by blasting Hundreds of Meters to Kilometers AOE explosions each of which ignore conventional durability due to how hot they are and avoiding her attack range and being constantly moving target, not even addressing the fact Cluster would grant Bakugo a huge speed advantage if he uses it.

She doesn't need to tire him out. Only person who can consistently dodge ranged attacks is Gerson who is blitz tier faster than Susie and can predict attacks.
Without explosions, Bakugo have x18 times disadvantage in travel speed without explosions. With Susie speed(which is lovered to level of Bakugo) she will cover kilometers in matter of seconds.
Susie is skilled af. She is accepted to be able to no-hit Knight, first try Gerson(who routinely uses perception blitzing attacks) and essentially go through all of Deltarune while getting hit at most several times.

 

[Kinggg121132]

Dark Hero Arc Bakugo and Dark World Susie (Chapter 4) are used

Fight takes place within a Dark World that was created inside U.A. High School

Speed is Equalized

Susie has access to her standard equipment, the Justice Axe, and a stack of Scarlixir

Both start 30 meters apart

Battle track: MEGALOVANIA - VS Susie​

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The Explosive Hero-in-Training, Dynamight: 0

The Axe of Justice, Susie: 0

Inconclusive: 0

isnt this a stomp match up the profile said could possibely be solar system level lol

 

[LittleGuy99]

isnt this a stomp match up the profile said could possibely be solar system level lol

7-B is being used for Susie

 

[Kinggg121132]

Yeah, then Susie mid/high diff hax + dark world mechanics + soul manipulation seems out of bakugou's league lol. Unironically, deku would be a better matchup for this (he has resistance to her haxes lol). i still think it's a stomp cuz of hax stuff

 

[LittleGuy99]

yeah then susie mid/high diff hax + dark world mechanics + soul manipulation seems out of bakugou's league lol uniroincally deku would be a better match up for this lol. i sitll think its a stomp cuz of hax stuff

Just because Susie has a better chance of winning doesn't make it a stomp, just say Susie FRA

 

[Kinggg121132]

Just because Susie has a better chance of winning doesn't make it a stomp, just say Susie FRA

i literally said she won im saying its still a stomp because hax lol

 

[Kinggg121132]

mfs need read before they yap like what more u want me to say LOL

i literally said she won im saying its still a stomp because hax lol

 

[LittleGuy99]

mfs need read before they yap like what more u want me to say LOL

Yeah, it's because I only hear the word "stomp" when someone says a battle is incompatible
I thought you meant that, but you're right

 

[Qurbonboev]

he has resistance to her haxes lol

Ironically enough, since DR soulhax is not treated as oneshot(against guys with no soul resist), both Bakugo and Deku would die from few hits(due to AP gap)

 

[Kinggg121132]

Yeah, it's because I only hear the word "stomp" when someone says a battle is incompatible
I thought you meant that, but you're right

oh my bad then but yeah i still think susiue win cuz this type of power set not really seen in mha i cant imagine bakugou would know what to do

 

[Bruhtelho]

She doesn't need to tire him out. Only person who can consistently dodge ranged attacks is Gerson who is blitz tier faster than Susie and can predict attacks.

Gerson is faster thats true but why are we treating Bakugo as slow? also Bakugo isn't prediction dodging the attacks, he's simply already moving through the air via his explosions covering any advantage she could have plus blasting her to literal hell from kilometers away.

Bakugo have x18 times disadvantage in travel speed without explosions. With Susie speed(which is lovered to level of Bakugo) she will cover kilometers in matter of seconds.

Bakugo is always using his explosions for movement, its OOC if you believe he'd just start walking around regularly and if Susie is brought down to Bakugo's slower speed then she'd be way slower than his regular explosion speed and no she isn't covering kilometers in seconds not well getting blasted by massive explosions that are ignoring her durability, thats ignoring Cluster as well which essentially gives Bakugo a massive amp in speed making her way faster than equalized speed Susie.

Susie is skilled af. She is accepted to be able to no-hit Knight, first try Gerson(who routinely uses perception blitzing attacks) and essentially go through all of Deltarune while getting hit at most several times.

why are we treating Bakugo as unskilled? He just as skilled as Deku who's fought a HUGE catalog of Villains such as Lady Nagant, who was recognized as the country's top long-range fighter. and Bakugo himself briefly managed to leave Shigaraki, someone who after gaining the AFO quirk also obtained All For One's hundred of years of experience. Gerson was massively holding back against Susie as shown when he was EASILY dodging all of her attacks like nothing and already doesn't have as many skill feats as even the most average MHA character, The Knight also doesn't have many skill feats and also was holding back against the Fun Gang and the moment he wasn't, he one shotted all of them. most of what you said is purely danmaku dodging which isn't super useful here when Bakugo is shooting AOE explosions that cover literal kilometers, well engulf Susie even if she attempts to dodge em, and ignoring her durability due to their heat, something he's used to harm continental level characters before.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Gerson is faster thats true but why are we treating Bakugo as slow?

I am not treating him as slow(speed is equalized). I am just saying that dodging it would be very difficult if you have same combat speed.

Bakugo is always using his explosions for movement

Good to know

AOE explosions that cover literal kilometers,

How easy do you think covering kilometers if your travel speed is Maxh 27.56?

 

[Bruhtelho]

How easy do you think covering kilometers if your travel speed is Maxh 27.56?

not easy but especially if characters as fast as Bakugo couldn't react to his explosions in time to counter attack esp when hes using Cluster, which was faster than Shigaraki could attack since he intercepted an attack meant for Deku. and Bakugo instantly shooting off and attacing from far is just how he fights esp against quick opponents and that doesn't have to be one direction, Bakugo could just go up and be out of Susie attack range instantly, which we've seen him do in less skilled keys, all well shooting at her from above.

 

[Bruhtelho]

I am not treating him as slow(speed is equalized). I am just saying that dodging it would be very difficult if you have same combat speed.

and i'm saying he's not reaction dodging, he's already a moving target, a moving target shooting kilometer AOE heat explosions that are gonna throw her off footing and since hes already moving, hes gonna be sweating and getting stronger just because of that.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I mean, Susie's also getting stronger and being a moving target didn't help Jevil against these attacks.