Oh he isn't the crutch for it, I was just using it as an example. Other Heralds, like Beta Ray Bill, directly scale to him, and BRB does have the same extreme Varies mechanic. As for the planet thing, I think that's just inconsistency inherent to Marvel. We are frequently shown hard limits on power than aren't actual limits, like Thor thinking Hercules would die from falling off a building.
Gladiator vary based on emotions similar to Hulk. Kinda hard to scale from them. Scaling from them is just by assumption on what power level are they using at the given battle
What do you think we should do then? I just strongly feel that the 3-C/Low 1-C split is bad and needs to be completely removed. I think that any character currently at 3-C should be upgraded to whatever the new Herald Tier ends up being (Right now I'm thinking High 3-A looks the most consistent) unless they have a very good reason otherwise. I think as long as a character is consistently show to be comparable to Herald Tier characters, then it doesn't matter their own feats.I am mostly agreeing with GeneralSol here. Marvel Comics is incredibly inconsistent in terms of power-levels, and routinely lets favoured character with far lesser feats and displayed limits match or outmatch characters with far greater valid feats.
I just think we need to make sure its consistent that characters are treated as being on this level. Like merely being able to cause pain to someone with a punch, or send them flying, or not being immediately one-shot, shouldn't be enough to scale. But, as long are there are repeat statements and/or clear feats against characters who are definitely Herald level, I think scaling is fine. For example, Blue Marvel's best feat is like Continent level, but it is extremely consistent and explicit that he is intended to be at Herald levels of power.I am not certain honestly, but we all need to stop pretending that this is not a massive problem when attempting to scale this partocular verse, and focusing more on individual feats and less on inconsistent scaling for it might be a good idea.
Sad as it is to say, High 3-A makes more sense than 2-A.
I think High 3-A is more consistent honestly. Genuinely I'm pretty sure there are more High 3-A feats that 3-C ones. But yeah, it's looking like 2-A is a lost cause
Wall level is more consistent
11-C actually, because they are not real
Even some of the 3-Cs feats should be High 3-A since we currently accept the regular universe as infinite. High 3-A is more consistent. 2-A should be an outlier.I think High 3-A is more consistent honestly. Genuinely I'm pretty sure there are more High 3-A feats that 3-C ones. But yeah, it's looking like 2-A is a lost cause
why?Even if that is correct, it likely refers to the entire multiverse rather than the local universe.
Doesn't Mephisto have a Council made of his variants?
Well assuming that 616 didn't killed all of them in Jason Aaron's run then he should have it.
To be honest, I do not like the original version of The Sentry at all.
So do I, but Bob is cool. Later comics simplified him tremendously, but his original portrait was of a struggling man, whose powers also cause an evil force of nature to appear. A hero, who's every good deed being matched by equal or greater destruction. He struggles, and that struggle is interesting.Well, he is a mixture of an uninteresting Gary Stu and Villain Stu, so he is not my cup of tea. I prefer my superheroes as positive ideals to strive towards.
I mean... at least Hulk being that powerful is kinda believable? At least based on the character's history (and him apparently being possessed by an eldritch horror). If it was somebody like Spider-Man, than yeah I'd be concerned.Marvel Comics' March 2026 Full Solicits And Solicitations
Marvel Comics' March 2026 Full Solicits And Solicitations... with Wonder Man, Doctor Doom, X-Men United and Armageddonbleedingcool.com
INFERNAL HULK #5
Phillip Kennedy Johnson (W) • Nic Klein (A/C) • VARIANT COVER BY ADAM GORHAM
DOOM HOMAGE VARIANT COVER BY SKAN • VARIANT COVER BY GIUSEPPE CAMUNCOLI
INFERNAL VERSUS ALMIGHTY!
As Infernal Hulk prepares to deal his death blow against Earth, a being of unimaginable power descends from the heavens to save us: the Creator of the Marvel Universe himself! Everything on Earth will change after this shocking, never-before-seen battle for the ages: INFERNAL HULK versus THE ONE ABOVE ALL!
Sigh. Both the Hulk and Storm writers are turning very annoying in the power-tripping fanboyism of their stories. Where are sensible editors when we need them?
Hulk right now has the power of the Mother of Horrors, it's normal for him now to be able to fight TOAA
One thing we both agree on despite me being a Hulk fan.Marvel Comics' March 2026 Full Solicits And Solicitations
Marvel Comics' March 2026 Full Solicits And Solicitations... with Wonder Man, Doctor Doom, X-Men United and Armageddonbleedingcool.com
INFERNAL HULK #5
Phillip Kennedy Johnson (W) • Nic Klein (A/C) • VARIANT COVER BY ADAM GORHAM
DOOM HOMAGE VARIANT COVER BY SKAN • VARIANT COVER BY GIUSEPPE CAMUNCOLI
INFERNAL VERSUS ALMIGHTY!
As Infernal Hulk prepares to deal his death blow against Earth, a being of unimaginable power descends from the heavens to save us: the Creator of the Marvel Universe himself! Everything on Earth will change after this shocking, never-before-seen battle for the ages: INFERNAL HULK versus THE ONE ABOVE ALL!
Sigh. Both the Hulk and Storm writers are turning very annoying in the power-tripping fanboyism of their stories. Where are sensible editors when we need them?
I just want a normal story, just one, maaan.
It’s not even normal Hulk. He’s being possessed by the Eldest who then gained power by consuming the corpse of the Mother of Horrors. None of this scales to regular Hulk at all.
I really don't like the additions to the cosmology that PJK developed in Hulk's story, they're shit compared to what was added in Immortal Hulk
I can’t decide about Thor, but Hulk can remain 1-A...and it’s even possible to make Hulk’s 1-A status stronger and better supported.
Yeah.
Thor do have 1-A but those feat can only be performed via his special heritage as an Elder god Asgardian hybrid and Phoenix force type shii. No Heralds scale to this including those who solely scale to Thor.
How many 1-A feats does he have? Like all the Yggdrasil ones will be downgraded to High 1-B
A few. After I'm done with Hulk and Quicksilver profile revamp, i will read on Thor.
Yeah. He will still have his Yggdrasil feats tho. His tier would be like this:
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So like any high tier just scales to the entire cosmology bar the HOI now igBang's Blogs: Vecna vs Doctor Doom
Oh yeah, and I'm definitely gonna add some stuff from the post to Doom's P&A (like the intelligence/Social Influencing stuff and the ridiculous amount of weapons his standard armor has).Also type moon bros better cook good or Gilgamesh is cooked
Tbf it's hilarious how the Vishanti have antagonized Strange and by extent humanity countless times (the entire War of the Seven Spheres shenanigans with General Strange, turning a blind eye to Doom's crimes and how he tricked Strange to get the title) only to be shocked and angry when a sorcerer supreme has enough of their bs.Why even do all that "who will be the next Sorcerer Supreme" hype if you're just gonna jump to it being Wanda? She's not even the actual Sorcerer Supreme, she just gave that title to herself and told the Vishanti to go screw themselves when they told her to stand down. Even Wong admits that Wanda already rejecting the Vishanti worries him since that's one less check on the Sorcerer Supreme.
Her only defense is that the Cloak of Levitation and Eye of Agamotto chose her after she saved them which is an extremely lousy defense. Agamotto is one of the Vishanti. THAT'S LITERALLY ONE OF HIS CREATIONS.
Edit: Just realized it's Orlando writing this. Oh boy I can't wait for the 500th storyline of "cosmic level antagonist says that Wanda is weak/worthless/underserving/whatever and then Wanda says that actually she's super great and then beats them up". It even happens in this very first issue. Can Orlando write literally anything else for Wanda? It's just like when Ewing writes Storm.
What makes me hate Vishante even more is then chosing Agatha, what the hell is going on with them, she is more villain than anything else, she is probably more evil than Doom.
