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The actual CH3 Secret Boss (Fun Gang vs. Frieza) (1-1-4)

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Well, at least they can kill him faster by attacking his SOUL directly...

With Check Kris would see that Frieza is very VERY strong, and the best thing to do would be to keep distance and obviously dodge everything they can
Kris would use pirouettes to tire Frieza out, and since all three of them have Hypnosis, they can use it simultaneously to tire him out faster.
DualBuster is their strongest attack and doesn't seem to require TP, so they could spam it without any problem
Kris can increase Susie's strength by 50% by boosting her morale, so that would help her do even more damage

They could unleash a hail of bullets using Yellow Mode, Sharpshoot, and Rude/Red/Dual Busters
Kris could use Unleash to blind Frieza and distract him for just a moment (Krillin Moment)

As long as they heal themselves and attack relentlessly, I think they can win
The player can revive them anyways
 
Man what the ****

None of their attacks would hurt him even with buffs or debuffs due to the sheer gap and he can oneshot them at anytime. Even if they cheese strat tire him out he can just blow up everything at a 4-A output (a cut in half Frieza tanked this btw)

At best Kris comes back via type 8 immortality over and over again, not like that would change the outcome at all. So, incon ig?
 
Lilybitdun said:
At best Kris comes back via type 8 immortality over and over again, not like that would change the outcome at all. So, incon ig?
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The problem here is that Type 8 makes it a stomp against Frieza as they'd eventually manage to find a way to use Pacify on him (like Piroutte/Hypnosis spam) while having infinite tries.

That and adding up that Frieza has not really a good ki control (due to him being forced to use reductive forms to control his power or him not being able to sense ki), means that eventually they'll manage to do it after enough tries.
 
StrymULTRA said:
The problem here is that Type 8 makes it a stomp against Frieza as they'd eventually manage to find a way to use Pacify on him (like Piroutte/Hypnosis spam) while having infinite tries.
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Infinite tries means Frieza infinitely blows up the planet lol

We see when he gets backed up into a corner he immediately goes to blow the planet, he would def do that when he notices he's abnormally tired (especially if he sees them like effortlessly dodge his attacks if they are controlled by a locked in player)
 
Eh either way the point is cheese strat via kris' type 8 immortality is really lame and allows Kris / Delta Warriors beat nearly anyone that's weaker than The Player

I still think this is incon
 
Inco fra, Freeza just gonna explode the planet every time, before the Fun Gang tired him out. But Freeza can't Win either because of Us.
 
deltarune fans saw their verse getting a massive upscale and instantly decided to put the character against high ranks in powerscaling lmao, frieza stopms because of the 320x AP gap

and also, cant freeza casually end up destroying were they are? the battle scenario you said is gonna get destroyed, its just a room, now even with all that thing that it was accepted that tenna and knight battle scenario that has stars in the sky are actual real sized stars in the dark world, the dark fountain is nearby, is the dark fountain really resisting freeza throwing a casual planet buster attack just afew hundreds of meters from it? the dark world could be destroyed leaving the fun gang in ther lightner form (if they even survive)

also frieza can fly, they dont have anything to throw at him from several dozens of meters, susie may try throwing kris at him but he can just fly higher, freeza spams so ki attacks at them and they will likely die, at most maybe susie can throw rude busters (which have never been seeing to have even at least a hundred meters or attack range, (she at most tried to throw it at the knight levitating and they just dodge it mockingly, frieza can do the same) but kris has nothing and ralsei the same

i vote for frieza
 
LittleGuy99 said:
Well, at least they can kill him faster by attacking his SOUL directly...

With Check Kris would see that Frieza is very VERY strong, and the best thing to do would be to keep distance and obviously dodge everything they can
Kris would use pirouettes to tire Frieza out, and since all three of them have Hypnosis, they can use it simultaneously to tire him out faster.
DualBuster is their strongest attack and doesn't seem to require TP, so they could spam it without any problem
Kris can increase Susie's strength by 50% by boosting her morale, so that would help her do even more damage

They could unleash a hail of bullets using Yellow Mode, Sharpshoot, and Rude/Red/Dual Busters
Kris could use Unleash to blind Frieza and distract him for just a moment (Krillin Moment)

As long as they heal themselves and attack relentlessly, I think they can win
The player can revive them anyways
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oh i forgot about yellow modes, even then fun gang is not seen fighting flying enemies often, yellow mode is what would work the best if kris can use it, the others i dont see them really hitting frieza because of they not be seen having long attack range, also speed equalized has to mean that, even if not neccesarily every attack and act the fun gang has, not all have to scale to FTL right? but if speed is equalized, i guess a bunch of sharpshoots will be FTL then...
 
StrymULTRA said:
Actually, all the Incon votes are invalid.

It came up to me that we have a precedent about this as back then Kratos stomped Arceus Avatar despite the fact that the latter had Type 9 Immortality right because of killing it over and over.

Meaning that Frieza killing the Fun Gang by blowing up the planet and surviving each time is a wincon for him.
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This depends if the incap is frieza instantly incapping after each reset

It seems the fight is the team always doing something different and Frieza is a petty loser and goes kaboom

Is kratos vs arceus like this or instantly incap?
 
StrymULTRA said:
It was Kratos killing Arceus Avatar over and over regardless of the True Form re-making a new one in its place, so this is a similar scenario.
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But it was literally instantly killing them? Because that is like making a regeneration user only be able to regenerate for 24 hours

if the avatar is killed in mere seconds, the true form creates another, it gets killed in seconds, rinse and repeat for 24 hours, is the same

Here, the gang is probably fighting for minutes trying several different things but reaching the same outcome, Frieza is not forcing them to only reset the fight all the time, is forcing them to try another approach just to met the same outcome but they can act, unlike the other 2 examples above

If kratos vs arceus is like this fight where even if the avatar can fight back for minutes and then get killed and that is still considered incap then sure, frieza wins, if it like the regeneration example, frieza is not incapping in that case, is forcing an incon
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
It do be very weird cause Kratos doesn't even have Infinite stamina.
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Tbf I don't even agree with Kratos even winning here, I am just telling how the wiki treats cases of a party keeping to lose over and over despite being able to respawn, that is still a loss via incap lol.
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Here, the gang is probably fighting for minutes trying several different things but reaching the same outcome, Frieza is not forcing them to only reset the fight all the time, is forcing them to try another approach just to met the same outcome but they can act, unlike the other 2 examples above
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The issue is that Frieza is killing them everytime by blowing up the planet, the Fun Gang has 0 ways of winning if he always end up doing that.
 
StrymULTRA said:
The issue is that Frieza is killing them everytime by blowing up the planet, the Fun Gang has 0 ways of winning if he always end up doing that.
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When I participated in a fight against someone with regen above anything the other character was unable to surpass, the only way that characted had was to be able to force regen for 24 hours to incap the opponent

That is literally what frieza needs to do, force resets almost instantly to be considered incap, I will go to search for rules about this again in any case
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
That is literally what frieza needs to do, force resets almost instantly to be considered incap, I will go to search for rules about this again in any case
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I mean, losing constantly whether is seconds or minutes is still a L. Don't be pedantic over stuff like timeframes lmao.
 
StrymULTRA said:
I mean, losing constantly whether is seconds or minutes is still a L. Don't be pedantic over stuff like timeframes lmao.
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People were being pendatic for the timeframes, that is the thing

Because "not being able to constantly incap instantly the opponent is not good enough" was used to say the fight was not counted as a win
 
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