Superman speed upgrade and abilities addition

[Rgerdeena]

Superman’s speed should be upgraded to massively FTL+, immeasurable via time travel the evidence is This from Action Comics #992 and Batman/Superman: World's Finest #39 and Adventures of Superman: Book of El #2

Superman should have time travel on his profile for the same reasons as the speed upgrade

Superman should have vibration manipulation on his profile the evidence is This from Batman/Superman: World's Finest #1 and Action Comics #1091 and Superman (Volume 5) #12 and the various applications of it should be mentioned

Superman should have intangibility on his profile the evidence is This from Action Comics #1053 and Action Comics #1049

Superman should have immortality(type 1) on his profile the evidence is This from Superman (Volume 6) #18 and Superman (Volume 6) #19

Superman should have enhanced aura and resistance to limited radiation manipulation on his profile the evidence is This from Superman Unlimited #2 and the drawbacks of it should be mentioned

Note:this is my first time doing anything here so sorry if I did anything wrong

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Superman’s speed should be upgraded to massively FTL+, immeasurable at peak the evidence is This

Superman should have time travel on his profile for the same reasons as the speed upgrade

Superman should have (I don’t know what to call it) on his profile the evidence is This

Superman should have intangibility on his profile the evidence is This

Superman should have immortality(type 1) on his profile the evidence is This

Superman should have resistance to power nullification on his profile the evidence is This and the drawbacks of it should be mentioned

Note:this is my first time doing anything here so sorry if I did anything wrong

the speed feat is done via the treadmill, not his actual speed. So if iirc it dosnt count as immeasurable

the rest seems to be good

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Superman’s speed should be upgraded to massively FTL+, immeasurable at peak the evidence is This

Superman should have time travel on his profile for the same reasons as the speed upgrade

That would just be Time Travel, or at least, Immeasurable speed doesn't seem like it would scale to combat/reaction speed.

Superman should have intangibility on his profile the evidence is This

Not sure what a previous discussion/conclusion was, but iirc. There was a difference between character's having phasing techniques and being naturally intangible. In Superman's case, it would mainly be the former.

Superman should have immortality(type 1) on his profile the evidence is This

Definitely looks qualified, but not sure if it was a common discussion or rejected as hyperbole with Longevity sufficing.

Other things look good, but might need more input from DC Comics experts.

 

[Rgerdeena]

the speed feat is done via the treadmill, not his actual speed. So if iirc it dosnt count as immeasurable

the rest seems to be good

The treadmill thing was just supporting evidence because he has one statement of being able to time travel and one statement of being able to time time travel from raw speed which are the main reasons for the immeasurable speed

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

the speed feat is done via the treadmill, not his actual speed. So if iirc it dosnt count as immeasurable

the rest seems to be good

The treadmill doesn't amp your speed or any of that kind. It's really more like a GPS Flashes use to more accurately time travel. You'd still require Immeasurable levels of speed for you to time travel with it to begin with.

 

[Rgerdeena]

That would just be Time Travel, or at least, Immeasurable speed doesn't seem like it would scale to combat/reaction speed.

not sure how you can prove you can have immeasurable speed other than time traveling from raw speed which he literally said he can do in one of the scans I put

Not sure what a previous discussion/conclusion was, but iirc. There was a difference between character's having phasing techniques and being naturally intangible. In Superman's case, it would mainly be the former.

Superman’s powers and abilities section already has passive and non passive powers separated so couldn’t it just be put in his non passive powers section

Definitely looks qualified, but not sure if it was a common discussion or rejected as hyperbole with Longevity sufficing.

One is a statement that Superman selling his soul to neron would be pointless since Superman will never die which seems like it’s not a hyperbole since it wouldn’t be pointless if Superman just took a long time to die and the other is literally at the end of time with Superman and time trapper doomsday being there so I don’t think that’s a hyperbole either

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That would just be Time Travel, or at least, Immeasurable speed doesn't seem like it would scale to combat/reaction speed.

Well its shown in World's Finest that Superman can pull that of without any machinery just like his cousin can via pure speed

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Aight put me on agree with everything except speed, I’ll be neutral on that

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Intangibility is already included in Kryptonian Physiology btw, so it can be added as a supportive in the page

 

[Hellbeast]

That would just be Time Travel, or at least, Immeasurable speed doesn't seem like it would scale to combat/reaction speed.

Yeah I could see it just being “Immeasurable at peak”

 

[Ozcantabak]

Agree with everything.

Superman’s speed should be upgraded to massively FTL+, immeasurable at peak the evidence is This

Also Supergirl should have imme speed at her peak too since in the same run as some of these she also time travels.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Agree with everything.

Also Supergirl should have imme speed at her peak too since in the same run as some of these she also time travels.

That is probably better for another thread since post flashpoint supergirl’s profile needs a lot of updates because all it has in powers and abilities is kryptonian physiology and resistance to soul manipulation and her red lantern stuff

 

[Lloydblitzed]

That is probably better for another thread since post flashpoint supergirl’s profile needs a lot of updates because all it has in powers and abilities is kryptonian physiology and resistance to soul manipulation and her red lantern stuff

She doesn't really have much additionial abilities besides Kryptonian stuff tho?

 

[Rgerdeena]

She doesn't really have much additionial abilities besides Kryptonian stuff tho?

Yeah but it should still have the stuff that she’s demonstrated on her page so that you don’t have to go to a different page to see all of her powers and i can think of 4 abilities that she has that aren’t on the kryptonian physiology page

 

[Ozcantabak]

New dc k.o. tie-in might have a feat that supports immeasurable Supes.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Makes sense to me.

 

[Ozcantabak]

bump

 

[Hypertornado099]

I think the immeasurable feat should only be travel speed

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I think the immeasurable feat should only be travel speed

We had an entire thread on why his Travel scale to his combat

 

[Godernet]

• Intangibility is probably fine, considering Flash has it for the same phasing ability, not to mention an excerpt on the intangibility page for phasing
• I don't know if I would give Supes resistance to other Power Null since his weakness to Kryptonite was always a personal physiological weakness rather than a general ability that nullifies powers. For the sake of indexing the resistance, though, you could probably give it Limited Power Null and explicitly say in the justification that this is talking about a resistance to Kryptonite.
• MFTL+ (combat, flight, and travel speed justification), Immeasurable via Time Travel (Justification about how they can accelerate fast enough to move through time), should be fine, kinda like The Flash has.
• Time Travel on his profile is ofc fine.
• Neutral on the Eternal Life bit for Supes for similar reasons to DDM, though I'm definitely open to the opinions of other, more knowledgeable DC supporters on it.

 

[Hayato5652]

I think the immeasurable feat should only be travel speed

Do these scans help? I really don't know

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Do these scans help? I really don't know

Shown here and here that his travel scale to his combat as he can fight while flying. He can also fight someone while crossing a Solar System

 

[Rgerdeena]

• I don't know if I would give Supes resistance to other Power Null since his weakness to Kryptonite was always a personal physiological weakness rather than a general ability that nullifies powers. For the sake of indexing the resistance, though, you could probably give it Limited Power Null and explicitly say in the justification that this is talking about a resistance to Kryptonite.

Eh I’m fine with resistance to limited power nullification

• MFTL+ (combat, flight, and travel speed justification), Immeasurable via Time Travel (Justification about how they can accelerate fast enough to move through time), should be fine, kinda like The Flash has.

I’m fine with that for now because it’s better than nothing and I’m planning on revising flash’s speed rating soon and most of the arguments for flash would also apply to Superman

• Neutral on the Eternal Life bit for Supes for similar reasons to DDM, though I'm definitely open to the opinions of other, more knowledgeable DC supporters on it.

Do you have any comments about my opinion about that

One is a statement that Superman selling his soul to neron would be pointless since Superman will never die which seems like it’s not a hyperbole since it wouldn’t be pointless if Superman just took a long time to die and the other is literally at the end of time with Superman and time trapper doomsday being there so I don’t think that’s a hyperbole either

 

[Hypertornado099]

Shown here and here that his travel scale to his combat as he can fight while flying. He can also fight someone while crossing a Solar System

He's not flying or running at immeasurable speed in any of those scans. These prove his reactions can scale to whatever speed he was going in those scans, which is MFTL+ at best

 

[Hayato5652]

Do these scans help? I really don't know

And this

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He's not flying or running at immeasurable speed in any of those scans. These prove his reactions can scale to whatever speed he was going in those scans, which is MFTL+ at best

You'd need to prove why Superman's reactions/comabt randomly goes down to when he's going immeasurable. He also implied he could do the same stuff as her cousin who can guide around Robin and track something while they are time travelling. We also don't see him blitz his own reactions/perception when flying, else how is he able to proprely track back the correct point in time they were in originaly?

 

[Hypertornado099]

You'd need to prove why Superman's reactions/comabt randomly goes down to when he's going immeasurable.

I never said that

He also implied he could do the same stuff as her cousin who can guide around Robin and track something while they are time travelling.

Considering Robin, who has like mach speed reactions at best, could see everything around him as well, I don't think this feat requires immeasurable reactions

We also don't see him blitz his own reactions/perception when flying, else how is he able to proprely track back the correct point in time they were in originaly?

Yeah we don't see him blitz himself when he's flying often, but he's also not flying at immeasurable speed almost all the time lol. Do we even see him flying at immeasurable speeds while being able to react to his surroundings? I don't think any of the scans you've sent prove that. Considering Superman has tagged foes equal to him in terms of combat/reactions while using his below immeasurable travel speed, I think its safe to say immeasurable speed is just travel speed. He even says time travel through raw speed is unpredictable, which kinda implies the opposite of what you're suggesting

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Considering Robin, who has like mach speed reactions at best, could see everything around him as well, I don't think this feat requires immeasurable reactions

The scan doesn't seem to say that, though. I think he's referring to how it's cool that Supergirl can track the tachyon trail of particles.

He even says time travel through raw speed is unpredictable, which kinda implies the opposite of what you're suggesting

Maybe he's talking about a "time boom" that causes unpredictable changes to a timeline, like in Flashpoint? Or maybe he's talking about navigating with pin-point accuracy, i.e. not subject to human error? I don't know the context, just spit-balling.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Yeah we don't see him blitz himself when he's flying often, but he's also not flying at immeasurable speed almost all the time lol. Do we even see him flying at immeasurable speeds while being able to react to his surroundings? I don't think any of the scans you've sent prove that. Considering Superman has tagged foes equal to him in terms of combat/reactions while using his below immeasurable travel speed, I think its safe to say immeasurable speed is just travel speed. He even says time travel through raw speed is unpredictable, which kinda implies the opposite of what you're suggesting

the treadmill scan and hayato’s scan have him running not flying and wouldn’t that scale his combat speed and reactions speed as well since you have to consciously move every your legs with every step while running and the scans with statements about him being able to time travel never said he can time travel through travel speed because one said he can time travel through raw speed and one said he can time travel and the one that lloyblitzed posted that I didn’t said that he can time travel by generating a tachyon trail so if anything the statements would only scale to his combat speed and reaction speed and not his travel speed since they don’t say what kind of speed he would use to time travel and normally combat and reaction speed are at least slightly higher than travel speed for a character

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I never said that

Your argument assumes Superman's travel speed is infinitely above his reactions

Considering Robin, who has like mach speed reactions at best, could see everything around him as well, I don't think this feat requires immeasurable reactions

Just an outlier to Robin

Yeah we don't see him blitz himself when he's flying often, but he's also not flying at immeasurable speed almost all the time lol.

That does not negate my argument. Just because he's going faster immeasurable doesn't mean his reactions get slower

Do we even see him flying at immeasurable speeds while being able to react to his surroundings? I don't think any of the scans you've sent prove that.

He wouldn't be able to find back the present time if his reactions were infinitely below his own flight speed. Same as Supergirl being able to track something while going Immeasurable

Considering Superman has tagged foes equal to him in terms of combat/reactions while using his below immeasurable travel speed, I think its safe to say immeasurable speed is just travel speed.

That's just false equivalence here

He even says time travel through raw speed is unpredictable, which kinda implies the opposite of what you're suggesting

1st scabs says nothing about this. 2nd scan says he can't pinpoint accurately because the timestream was corrupted at the time. 3rd scan of Time Travel being risky is just about the consequences

 

[Hayato5652]

I think travel speed has a direct connection with reaction speed, For example, driving requires quick reactions.

 

[Rgerdeena]

I think travel speed has a direct connection with reaction speed, For example, driving requires quick reactions.

There are some exceptions but yes that is pretty much how it works over 90% of the time

 

[Hayato5652]

Bump

 

[OrangeFR]

Agreeing with Godernet

 

[FroYoSans]

I’m fine with that for now because it’s better than nothing and I’m planning on revising flash’s speed rating soon and most of the arguments for flash would also apply to Superman

What are you gonna be revising Flash's speed to? Last I checked the site still only uses up to Immeasurable Speed and that's definitely already listed

 

[Rgerdeena]

What are you gonna be revising Flash's speed to? Last I checked the site still only uses up to Immeasurable Speed and that's definitely already listed

It’s not the immeasurable part that I have a problem with it’s that for a lot of dc speedsters it says that they’re immeasurable via running through time and some other methods and for multiple reasons I am planning on getting rid of via running through time and replacing it with at peak for speedsters who don’t have at peak as one of their methods for immeasurable speed

 

[FroYoSans]

It’s not the immeasurable part that I have a problem with it’s that for a lot of dc speedsters it says that they’re immeasurable via running through time and some other methods and for multiple reasons I am planning on getting rid of via running through time and replacing it with at peak for speedsters who don’t have at peak as one of their methods for immeasurable speed

I'm assuming I'm gonna have to wait for the crt thread in order to find out why?

 

[Rgerdeena]

I'm assuming I'm gonna have to wait for the crt thread in order to find out why?

unless you unbearably want to know, probably because I’d rather keep this thread focused on the Superman additions and I’d rather have time to make my reasoning more organized than if I explained it right now

anyways do you have any thoughts on the Superman additions

 

[FroYoSans]

unless you unbearably want to know, probably because I’d rather keep this thread focused on the Superman additions and I’d rather have time to make my reasoning more organized than if I explained it right now

anyways do you have any thoughts on the Superman additions

I agree, frankly I think it's ridiculous that at his peak Superman has somehow managed to stay at Low 2-C and MFTL+ speeds and hasn't once been given Immeasurable since the Silver Age

 

[Hayato5652]

This is while Superboy-Prime has immeasurable speed, but Superman does not...