Robot vs Monster (Chelshia [Khimera:DAMG] vs Player [Combat Warriors])

[Delusionaltx2]

What stops Chell from dodging?

The skill gap is so massive they would just find her standard options extremely predictable over the course of the fight

Even at the start of the fight they would already find her easy to read since she dosent have any martial arts and can still use LS to block and redirect her attacks

Just wanna bring that up

What stops her from blasting him with an attack that would shatter his bones the moment he goes in for a swing (which she can very easily do)?

Nothing atm (until arkan actually answers this point)

What stops her going into chest mode where attacks don’t effect her whether melee or projectile?

Based on profiles her go-to in this seems to be crushing attacks and in that case this is probably one of the worst things she can do here

They poison her, use skill to easily predict and/or parry her already extremely linear method of attack and just stall her out into a win

 

[Jackythejack]

You can also just go into cheat mode to defend yourself though it’s not solely offensive. It is a way to avoid attacks

 

[Overlord775]

From what i have seen from the thread, roblox man's "high" skill comes from... fighting himself. That's clearly circular scaling. More so its using irl player vs player skills, which makes the canonicity of that extremely dubbious at best.

 

[Arkansalter2]

What stops her from blasting him with an attack that would shatter his bones the moment he goes in for a swing (which she can very easily do)?

Didn't I say that he no-sells getting hit with weapons like these?

What stops her going into chest mode where attacks don’t effect her whether melee or projectile?

Probably the worst thing that she could possibly do.
According to SBA, the battle takes place in City Park. City Park has a lake. He has no problem trying to toss her somewhere due to the LS advantage if not LS ragdoll her.

 

[Jackythejack]

Didn't I say that he no-sells getting hit with weapons like these?

Six times stronger than him he’s not noselling anything it’s at least gonna cause massive skeletal damage.

Youve given like five different methods that he could use and not only am I not super convinced by any of them but he really only has the opportunity to use one or two before his bones become a pile of shards and powder and he can’t move.

 

[Arkansalter2]

From what i have seen from the thread, roblox man's "high" skill comes from... fighting himself. That's clearly circular scaling. More so its using irl player vs player skills, which makes the canonicity of that extremely dubbious at best.

Roblox has already been under some heavy fire with a whole staff thread about it.
The thread died since then. PvP scaling is just something that most players just uses.

 

[Jackythejack]

I guess my thing is like, it feels a bit cheap to assume everyone a single player character fights is… equal to them in skill? Like I legitimately think the only way one player character beats 12 others is that the 12 are bad at the game in which case it’s much less of a skill feat.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Youve given like five different methods that he could use and not only am I not super convinced by any of them but he really only has the opportunity to use one or two before his bones become a pile of shards and powder and he can’t move.

If only he wasn't ******* inorganic.
He's a damn robot lmao. Then you're gonna say "gonna shatter his circuits" or something and like I said, he no-sells getting hit by electric weapons and a ridiculously superheated sword. He's straight up no-selling. Not tanking. No-selling.

 

[Arkansalter2]

I guess my thing is like, it feels a bit cheap to assume everyone a single player character fights is… equal to them in skill? Like I legitimately think the only way one player character beats 12 others is that the 12 are bad at the game in which case it’s much less of a skill feat.

This is why we say "skillcheck". JC can at least skillcheck servers who at least have basic combat/weapon training. Said players would already know how to crush ones skull and then rip said head clean off and do below.

Basic JCs have martials and at least some form of weapon mastery and acrobatics, considering they can do crap like this with their first heavy weapon and literally cleave someone head clean off with a baton, their first light weapon.

 

[Jackythejack]

Flashy attacks and spins can only do so much here. I’m not impressed by what I see lol.

Said players would already know how to crush ones skull and then rip said head clean off and do below

Gonna be honest this is not a skill feat. This is an AP feat. Knowing how to crush a skull isn’t a skill feat when it seems like he is doing it majorly off of brute force and strength.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Gonna be honest this is not a skill feat.

Proceeds to ignore everything else. Everything else is a skill feat.

JC can at least skillcheck servers who at least have basic combat/weapon training.

Basic JCs have martials and at least some form of weapon mastery and acrobatics, considering they can do crap like this with their first heavy weapon and literally cleave someone head clean off with a baton, their first light weapon.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Tbf I could then say “how skilled are the martial artists actually” because being a martial artist doesn’t inherently mean you’re super skilled.

Being skilled enough to perform legitimate martial arts techniques alone already puts you at bare minimum above average in skill as you would need to know different holds, fighting styles and so on

Look at Steven Seagal lol.

Steven seagal doesn't have the same knowledge of the vast amount of skills they do.

Skill arguments can be kinda weird they’re another thing I generally don’t like, but Chel has fought like, 5 people at once before, and 5 people on her level literally back to back.

as already brought up, servers contain like 12 people...that's more than double what shes use to handling

Should add that certain players are able to gain access to skills/weapons that can kill other players extremely quickly making it even more impressive in their case

 

[Arkansalter2]

as already brought up, servers contain like 12 people

45* people. If the player was skilled enough, he can skill check large servers with 99 people as seen with the 99 people vs Me vids.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

From what i have seen from the thread, roblox man's "high" skill comes from... fighting himself. That's clearly circular scaling.

No it isn't, circular scaling is scaling ones self to a 1:1 version of your self

What we're saying is that BASIC players already have knowledge on fighting styles and martial arts techniques while EXCEPTIONALLY SKILLED players can solo entire servers worth of said basic players

To say it's circular would basically be saying that skilled players and players who have just started the game are the same which is dishonest

More so its using irl player vs player skills, which makes the canonicity of that extremely dubbious at best.

I have no idea what you mean by "Irl player vs player skills" please elaborate on this

 

[Jackythejack]

Okay fine let’s not ignore anything then

JC can at least skillcheck servers who at least have basic combat/weapon training.

Basic combat and weapon training is just inherently not impressive in my eyes because “basic” could mean just about anything. Again this isn’t super impressive it seems like standard “can fight people who know how to do things” and Chel can also fight people who know how to do things.

considering they can do crap like this with their first heavy weapon

Flashy flips are cool I guess but this feels like again a lot of it is based off AP and a weaker opponent as all of these finishers are.

literally cleave someone head clean off with a baton, their first light weapon.

Guess what, not a skill feat. I am looking at it and this is just like, an AP feat at most.

 

[Overlord775]

Roblox has already been under some heavy fire with a whole staff thread about it.
The thread died since then. PvP scaling is just something that most players just uses.

Myabe don't use something that's heavily contested as a primarely wincon then? because it really sounds like your point doesn't have legs to stand on.

Latter thing just makes it sound like every single roblox player profile is just wanked tbh

No it isn't, circular scaling is scaling ones self to a 1:1 version of your self

they litterally are, by all regards, entirely equal to one another. They can do the sam moves, they can use the same skills, they can do the saem actions.

What we're saying is that BASIC players already have knowledge on fighting styles and martial arts techniques while EXCEPTIONALLY SKILLED players can solo entire servers worth of said basic players

You are yet to prove any skill feat for the basic player besides "can swing weapons" and "is really strong"

Also they just... aren't intended to solo entire servers? From just a cursory look the game is a battle royale. 99v1 is very clearly not canon lmao

To say it's circular would basically be saying that skilled players and players who have just started the game are the same which is dishonest

except it litterally IS, any one player character could pull that "99v1" thing if the IRL player was skilled enough and the rest were complete coughting babies.

I have no idea what you mean by "Irl player vs player skills" please elaborate on this

because at that point you are no longer having the fight as the player character roblox man, but it would be JohhrobloxMLGX vs Chelsia. You are using things outside the game to justify feats, you are using things that are just... not canon to the character.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Basic combat and weapon training is just inherently not impressive in my eyes because “basic” could mean just about anything. Again this isn’t super impressive it seems like standard “can fight people who know how to do things” and Chel can also fight people who know how to do things.

Chel's fighting style is at best extremely simplistic. I get that chel was made for fighting but I'm not at all impressed at what she can do.
He can literally pull off suplexes that just behead someone.

Flashy flips are cool I guess but this feels like again a lot of it is based off AP and a weaker opponent as all of these finishers are.

Can literally do that while using the weapon for the first time.

Hell, he can wield triple katanas which not many people know how to do and turn people into mincemeat and can effortlessly ragdoll folks comparable to him with a chainsaw.
Two players can even tag team on a person despite legit not knowing each other but they just know what to do.

Latter thing just makes it sound like every single roblox player profile is just wanked tbh

Roblox profiles is basically "as long as it's possible in game, they can do it".

Also they just... aren't intended to solo entire servers?

They can if they're skilled enough. Which is why "skillcheck servers" exist.

From just a cursory look the game is a battle royale. 99v1 is very clearly not canon lmao

This game is basically a "wake up and just kill shit." Yes, if the player is skilled enough, player can indeed skillcheck full servers of 99 people.

We assume the strongest versions of player characters in general anyways as said by Bambu so yes, we do infact use "XXMLGCombatWrriorsGodXX" believe it or not.

 

[Overlord775]

Roblox profiles is basically "as long as it's possible in game, they can do it".

and i call bullshit on that, give me proof that's legit, becuase that's only a few step removed from arguing using glitches and game exploits as factors in a fight.

They can if they're skilled enough. Which is why "skillcheck servers" exist.

This game is basically a "wake up and just kill shit." Yes, if the player is skilled enough, player can indeed skillcheck full servers of 99 people.

except they aren't. Those 99 players are also damaging and killing each other. Its not a 99v1, its a 100 people all out fight. Especially considering theres a K/D ratio, everybody is supposed to get murked a bunch.

You just can't say that a player character is superior in skill to other player character, when the WHOLE point is that they are on equal footing.

We assume the strongest versions of player characters in general anyways as said by Bambu so yes, we do infact use "XXMLGCombatWrriorsGodXX" believe it or not.

except "strongerst verion of the player" doesn't exist, they are all canonically at the same, exact level of skill. You may as well be using fanficiton to argue your point.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Myabe don't use something that's heavily contested as a primarely wincon then? because it really sounds like your point doesn't have legs to stand on.

The idea of JC having a skill gap has basically never been contested the entire thread, in fact I don't think you've even been paying attention to said thread.

JCs best skill feats is fighting 12+ people with basic combat training while also being comparable to them and having access to weapons/skills that can easily kill them

The only thing brought up for chelshia in this regard is that she was really good at fighting and can handle 5v1s against comparable opponents...this is not very comparable at all

Latter thing just makes it sound like every single roblox player profile is just wanked tbh

Uh not really, SBA already assumes roblox characters scale to everything possible to do in game (as long as it's intended ofc)

If roblox characters can skill check X amount of people comparable to them they scale

they litterally are, by all regards, entirely equal to one another. They can do the sam moves, they can use the same skills, they can do the saem actions.

Yet one has experience while the other doesn't

Thanks to said experience they have the skill needed to completely stomp large amounts of them

Are we seriously debating the idea that more experience can translate to characters having higher skill levels than past versions of themselves?

You are yet to prove any skill feat for the basic player besides "can swing weapons" and "is really strong"

Arkan has basically been providing most of the scans the entire time so I don't think I need to

@Arkansalter2 please show him a random clip of them soloing servers (you probably already did but we may need you to show that again)

Also they just... aren't intended to solo entire servers?

Yes they are, if they aren't then wog would deliberately make that impossible

From just a cursory look the game is a battle royale. 99v1 is very clearly not canon lmao

You just conceded to the game being a battle royal game...meaning the intent is to fight multiple other enemies...why are you saying it doesn't fit cannon?

except it litterally IS, any one player character could pull that "99v1" thing

No they wouldn't please try going into a server and doing that your self please

if the IRL player was skilled enough and the rest were complete coughting babies.

What suggests these are coughing babies?

Even IF we assume they are coughing babies this basically dosen't matter because the game itself gives them knowledge on martial arts anyway as long as they at least know how to play the game it's still a skill feat

because at that point you are no longer having the fight as the player character roblox man, but it would be JohhrobloxMLGX vs Chelsia. You are using things outside the game to justify feats,

Once again SBA assumes blank slate player characters scale to anything they can do in game and are basically skill gods within their respective game so anything possible for any player to do would scale to JC

If you disagree with this feel free to ask mr bambu about it

you are using things that are just... not canon to the character.

You've yet to actually explain why it isn't cannon...

Soloing servers with skil has been a thing in CW for like years now...wog clearly is fine with this and if you think they aren't I'd like to ask you to please prove it

 

[Arkansalter2]

and i call bullshit on that, give me proof that's legit, becuase that's only a few step removed from arguing using glitches and game exploits as factors in a fight.

We don't argue glitches or game exploits for obvious reasons.

You just can't say that a player character is superior in skill to other player character, when the WHOLE point is that they are on equal footing.

I mean we've did that for the longest time and nobody had an issue with it.

except "strongerst verion of the player" doesn't exist, they are all canonically at the same, exact level of skill. You may as well be using fanficiton to argue your point.

The most skilled version of said player.

@Arkansalter2 please show him a random clip of them soloing servers (you probably already did but we may need you to show that again)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

and i call bullshit on that, give me proof that's legit, becuase that's only a few step removed from arguing using glitches and game exploits as factors in a fight.

Wog already confirmed this was intended

@Arkansalter2 show the scan for that please (I remember you bringing this up)

except they aren't. Those 99 players are also damaging and killing each other. Its not a 99v1, its a 100 people all out fight. Especially considering theres a K/D ratio, everybody is supposed to get murked a bunch.

Yeah they are damaging and killing each other because the one individual player is not only parrying their attacks to reflect damage and/or using movement to reduce openings

You just can't say that a player character is superior in skill to other player character, when the WHOLE point is that they are on equal footing.

No it isn't, the whole point is that they simply need to kill each other, they may START at equal footing but if one has played the game longer then yes it very much possible for them to know more things than other players

Again prove that the idea is that they are always at equal footing please

except "strongerst verion of the player" doesn't exist, they are all canonically at the same, exact level of skill. You may as well be using fanficiton to argue your point.

No they are not, nothing really suggests this beyond head-cannon

It is very much possible for a player to just gain more experience and gain more skill as a result to gaining more experience this is a common thing in fiction as a whole

 

[Delusionaltx2]

We don't argue glitches or game exploits for obvious reasons.

Unless they are intended ofc (look at games like UT and doki doki for example)

 

[Arkansalter2]

@Arkansalter2 show the scan for that please (I remember you bringing this up)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Anyways I have a question that may switch my stance back to JC

As already brought up parry would allow them to stun lock chelshia and prevent her from moving

Assuming that's the case then what stops them from just nuking her with motilov since it upscales from magma and she can't move while under the effects of Parry?

Mind you since motilovs induce burn dmg and there's a 5.49x ap gap they have no reason not to do this while stacking his with other weapons to increase their damage uptake

 

[Jackythejack]

There even a point to this thread if it’s just gonna be outdated soon

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Thats for mr bambu

I'm talking about the discord screenshot you sent me a long time ago that had one of the developers say that the movement glitches were intended

 

[Arkansalter2]

Assuming that's the case then what stops them from just nuking her with motilov since it upscales from magma and she can't move while under the effects of Parry?

Nothing. Hell, player can probably do a molotov and stick a C4 on to her and just make her go damn near bye bye.

 

[Jackythejack]

Assuming that's the case then what stops them from just nuking her with motilov since it upscales from magma and she can't move while under the effects of Parry?

They would have to know that that’s basically their only wincon really.

Considering there’s apparently 6 other things they’d try to do according to this thread then I doubt that’s the go to.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

There even a point to this thread if it’s just gonna be outdated soon

Not really, parry being able to effect ranged attacks is mostly minor

More importantly I forgot to ask but what stops them from just parrying her and then nuking her with motilov?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

They would have to know that that’s basically their only wincon really.

Once again they would use this once they see that their attacks barley damage her in order to stack damage

Considering there’s apparently 6 other things they’d try to do according to this thread then I doubt that’s the go to.

All the other things rely on them still needing to actually damage the opponent of they see their attacks don't deal damage even with their strongest weapons they would increase their damage uptake by stacking utilities on top of this

 

[Arkansalter2]

I'm talking about the discord screenshot you sent me a long time ago that had one of the developers say that the movement glitches were intended

Superjump glitch is intended so movement glitches are intended.

 

[Jackythejack]

I’m really tired of this debate lol. You know what my arguments are. I think the AP advantage is too great and with comparable mobility there is only so much the other guy can do to stop her when every hit is going to absolutely disable a limb or two.

I’m voting for Chel.

 

[Arkansalter2]

disable a limb or two.

For the umpteenth time, he can perform like he has 4 limbs with 2 limbs left. Idk why you keep saying this. Player is a damn robot that no sells getting hit by the sea beast.
The skill gap in between Chel and Player along with the oneshot skills that player has and the weapons that he has that allow for an upscale closes that AP gap pretty significantly.
Now of course, player will get hit, but player has heal splashes and will know what to do against said moves over the course of the fight like demonstrated against Matatabi.
Not saying that Chel would get gapped but I don't see how Chel is going to kill JC in due time before he ends up adapting to Khimera's playstyle and skill cheesing her.
I'm going with John Combat, high diff.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Superjump glitch is intended so movement glitches are intended.

Oh yeah another question, do heal splashes insta heal lost limbs as well? (If yes show scans for that rq)

Assuming they scale to the players regen this changes things severely as if they were to get caught off guard they would just heal and use bigger weapons to attack from extended range

In that case they have way better odds of parrying the next attack and in that case I'll vote incon

 

[Arkansalter2]

Oh yeah another question, do heal splashes insta heal lost limbs as well? (If yes show scans for that rq)

They can't heal lost limbs period but they wouldn't need to. You see how he performs with just 2 or even an arm, a torso, and a head.

In that case they have way better odds of parrying the next attack and in that case I'll vote incon

I'll count this.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

They can't heal lost limbs period but they wouldn't need to. You see how he performs with just 2 or even an arm, a torso, and a head.

I don't really think that changes the fact that without an extra arm it becomes harder to actually parry the next beam

I'll count this.

Honestly I'm still voting chelshia

We basically have a one shot above something 5.49x their ap, I don't see them dodging this point blank without any legs if they already couldn't while having legs

If they had legitimately good movement tech that scaled above their normal speed (like how ultra kill does for example) then that would definitely have my stance a little but since they don't she just blasts them again

That said they do have the benefit of being able to easily handle her normal attacks by virtue of skill diff so there's that at least

 

[Arkansalter2]

I don't really think that changes the fact that without an extra arm it becomes harder to actually parry the next beam

He can still parry just fine...??? What are you talking about?

If they had legitimately good movement tech that scaled above their normal speed (like how ultra kill does for example) then that would definitely have my stance a little but since they don't she just blasts them again

This, this, this, and this.

As you can see, they can move just fine with one limb.

You sure you wanna vote Chel?

 

[Overlord775]

The skill arguments are still nonsense. It either boils down infinite skill looping, because guess what if you follow the line of logic that is being used that's what happens, and pretty easilly at that too.

A player soling a server filled with people that solo servers that solo servers that solo servers... and so on ad nauseum. You are either stating he's litterally got infinite skill, or its entirely non-usable besides the level of "can fight a bunch of dudes that can swing weapons" and even then they are trying to kill each other, so its not even that impressive

I vote ciel because she has overwhelming AP advantage, and just own defensive and offenssive abilties cancelling out the advanages of the roblox man.

1. entirely taking that out of context, considering you didn't even specify what you meany by "most skilled version". I very much feel he didn't even understand what you were asking.
2. Bambu is not the law, why are you treating his word like gospel?

As you can see, they can move just fine with one limb.

ah yes, slowly limping at snails speed, totally peak performances here!

 

[Arkansalter2]

. entirely taking that out of context, considering you didn't even specify what you meany by "most skilled version". I very much feel he didn't even understand what you were asking.

I'm pretty sure Bambu knows what "most skilled version" meant when he answered that or else he wouldn't have answered that in one reply.

ah yes, slowly limping at snails speed, totally peak performances here!

Proceeds to ignore him sliding with no legs and 1 arm while dodging bullets.

I vote ciel because she has overwhelming AP advantage, and just own defensive and offenssive abilties cancelling out the advanages of the roblox man.

Proceeds to not even come close to reading the robloxian's side of wh the AP advantage doesn't really matter that much.

 

[AthelChan]

They're gonna be like 4-8x stronger than bro without amps. JD gotta stay far away

john deep takes speed and haxes anyway, no madness manip?