GRAAAAAACEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [7-0-0] "What is 'Daima'? I want the real Red Monkey Alien fighting again!!!" - Goku (GT) vs Goku (Super Anime)

[Nonynho]

How does searching about Super vs GT feels at this point:

Ok. Let's go again at it:

Spoiler: Conditions

P-UI -Sign- (2nd Awakening)-Broly Arc Super Anime Goku is used
Super 17/Shadow Dragon Sagas GT Goku is being used

Super Goku cannot transform into anything above SSJ3
Equal speed
Both start fully transformed (SSJ3 and SFPSSJ4, respectively) and 5m apart
Fight is at a bedrock-only superflat minecraft seed (They are considered players, so indestructible ground)

Spoiler: Few stats facts

• In AP (and every stat that scale to it, if any), GT has a ~1.9x advantage
• In LS, GT should be around 1000x above Super, due to the gap consisting of 1 tier when they're at base
• Staminawise, both seem to have impressively consuming transformations and can circle around it, so we'll take them as basically equals on it
• In Intelligence, i don't quite agree that it's a large diff, but i agree with @CryoTheMayo that Super has nicer feats, so he should take it, in this regard @XxZetsuxX made sense with his call-out that GT actually wins on this matter

Red-Furred Space Monkey - 7 (@MannyQ361, @noninho, @XxZetsuxX, @TegamiBachi25, @Anonymous_Learner, @Drite77, @LegendariumOfLies)

Yellow-Haired Space Monkey -

Hope i don't see another in a couple months (Incon) -

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

GT Goku got that broken IT and can absorb ki attacks, ain't looking too good for Super Goku.

 

[Nonynho]

GT Goku got that broken IT and can absorb ki attacks, ain't looking too good for Super Goku.

He can't sense Super Goku, tho, so maybe IT can be very problematic for him, unadvertedly

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He can't sense Super Goku, tho, so maybe IT can be very problematic for him, unadvertedly

He can't go into his God forms, no? Those are the only ones listed with a Ki Sensing resistance.

 

[Nonynho]

He can't go into his God forms, no? Those are the only ones listed with a Ki Sensing resistance.

Just checked that you're right, thought his base form had the God Ki, my bad

Super has a great regen and can find a way to outsmart him more easily than GT can do that to him. Also, the 1000x LS gap may be pulling Super to use that regen or the resurrection, meaning he's also accessing Zenkai(s) very quickly, which may bring up problems if GT doesn't find a way to end this quick enough.
Would that gap immediately break most of Supers bones or something like it?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Then again, it's not like SSJ4 Goku is out of finishing moves either (See x10 Kamehameha and Dragon Fist).

 

[OrangeFR]

Is the AP gap literally around a 2000x difference? Because if so then doesn’t GT just oneshot?

 

[Nonynho]

Is the AP gap literally around a 2000x difference? Because if so then doesn’t GT just oneshot?

Barely 2x, not 2000

Then again, it's not like SSJ4 Goku is out of finishing moves either (See x10 Kamehameha and Dragon Fist).

Well, they'll first go to h2h combat and Super Goku is not shitty at it. Super also has finishing and ranged moves

 

[OrangeFR]

Barely 2x, not 2000

Ok mb. I forgot in some countries they format decimals like this: (1,5), instead of like this in the US: (1.5). I thought it signified thousands.

 

[Nonynho]

Ok mb. I forgot in some countries they format decimals like this: (1,5), instead of like this in the US: (1.5). I thought it signified thousands.

Lemme change that then

Anyone having more arguments? Yall may have noticed but I'm not the guy for DB scaling and don't have quite the arguments, just really hope GT wins lol

 

[Nonynho]

Bump

 

[MannyQ361]

Leaning towards Gt Goku for his advantages.

 

[Nonynho]

Leaning towards Gt Goku for his advantages.

That a vote?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

GT Goku seems to be more skilled + higher experience + versatility (?)

 

[Nonynho]

GT Goku seems to be more skilled + higher experience + versatility (?)

what makes you say that about experience and versatility, exactly?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

what makes you say that about experience and versatility, exactly?

GT is 10 years after end of Z

Super is 2-3 years after end of buu saga

For versatility, Goku seems to have more abilities than super Goku

 

[Nonynho]

GT is 10 years after end of Z

Super is 2-3 years after end of buu saga

Oh yeah, i forgor about it, makes sense IMO

For versatility, Goku seems to have more abilities than super Goku

You mean in the sense of PnA? IDK any relevant ones, you'd have to tell me (and for it to be registered as having enough argument lol)

Something relevant to point out is that apparently Super is quite a bunch smarter/more intelligent

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You mean in the sense of PnA? IDK any relevant ones, you'd have to tell me (and for it to be registered as having enough argument lol)

Yeah, dragon fist, 10x kamehameha, final explosion, Syn Sherons wind vortex and not sure if this works but his SSJ4 form lets him render moves he memorizes useless (according to the profile)

Something relevant to point out is that apparently Super is quite a bunch smarter/more intelligent

No, not in a million years '-'

GT Goku is more level headed, matured actually uses real thought out strategies, much more feats in analytical stuff related

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Just checked that you're right, thought his base form had the God Ki, my bad

About this, iirc this is wrong

Anime Goku has indeed absorbed god ki into his base

Manga did not, i assume this is anime version?

 

[Nonynho]

About this, iirc this is wrong

Anime Goku has indeed absorbed god ki into his base

Manga did not, i assume this is anime version?

(unfortunately) yes it is

No, not in a million years '-'

GT Goku is more level headed, matured actually uses real thought out strategies, much more feats in analytical stuff related

Please present counterargument to @CryoTheMayo post in the OP

Yeah, dragon fist, 10x kamehameha, final explosion, Syn Sherons wind vortex and not sure if this works but his SSJ4 form lets him render moves he memorizes useless (according to the profile)

(Being the devil's advocate very briefly since i also want to see GT winning: )
Final Explosion is literally killing Goku, so unless Super was like a threat to earth and everyone in it, ain't this super OoC?

The 10x Kamehameha + Dragon Fist combo may work once, but Super's ability to ressurect and heal is making this a one-time-only threat, no? Possibly same thing about the Vortex but this one is impressive, yeah

 

[XxZetsuxX]

(unfortunately) yes it is


Please present counterargument to @CryoTheMayo post in the OP

You kinda just answered your argument by saying this is anime Goku

He is heavily nerfed in intel compared to Z and stuff

He literally forgot what meditation even is

He has some nice feats here and there like using hexa destructo disk and land mines but thats the only things i remember

Learning ability wise, he is nice via mastering MUI in 48 minutes

For GT, Goku simply has more versatility in opponents (if this counts for BIQ)

and also has more stuff according to his profile, here;

Goku is capable of seeing the holes, flaws, and errors in techniques and fighters after seeing or hearing of them, such as when he took advantage of the weaknesses within the Multiform Technique after experiencing a single beatdown, how he noticed Hachiyack's sudden weakness at the 15 second mark of his Revenger Cannon Attack, the gap in the Thunder Flash and exploited it to take advantage of an opening, Frieza's inability to sense Ki to create openings in his defenses, or Cell's perfected combat to lure and lead the four fighters into a means of which he can defeat all at once. Identified that it wasn't Haze Shenron getting stronger, but him and Pan getting weaker. Tricked the Sigma Force into revealing their capabilities by suppressing himself and allowing them to believe they had advantage as he learned everything they could do, allowing him to fight beyond their data. Is so capable of advancement in techniques that mere knowledge that a move exists without any deeper knowledge allows him to create counters as well as copy them. At this point is so skilled with Energy Sensory that suppression that makes beings invisible even to skilled users of Earthling Ki Sensing like Trunks cannot hide from him.

Even outside of Combat, Goku is no slouch mentally. He played on the ego of Naturon Shenron to trick him into making Pan vulnerable so he could free him, planned a convincing act and fight with Nuova Shenron to trick Omega Shenron into a gambit that guaranteed victory outside of a specific ability they had no knowledge of, was able to identify and operate around a plan of Trunks and Giru's own making within secret to then perfectly go along with and bolster their scheme, revealing Baby and allowing them an attempt to kill the Tuffle. Was capable of crafting another plan along with Trunks and Pan to get Baby to reveal his own aims, make himself vulnerable, and defeat him. Goku was capable of realizing how Baby's body possession worked and figured out that cutting off his tail would force him into being ejected.

(Being the devil's advocate very briefly since i also want to see GT winning: )
Final Explosion is literally killing Goku, so unless Super was like a threat to earth and everyone in it, ain't this super OoC?

I guess

The 10x Kamehameha + Dragon Fist combo may work once, but Super's ability to ressurect and heal is making this a one-time-only threat, no?

Not quite, his ressurection is him restarting his heart by making him fall on him after he dies

GT Goku would notice this i think, he would assume the ki blast would either hurt the dead body like as if he missfired or think it will do something benefitial to his super counterpart

 

[Enter_Bluey]

Oh wow, super goku doesn't use thought out strategies? Everything on his profile is a lie...he has no adaptation to fighting styles for opponents he's fought at all clearly

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Oh wow, super goku doesn't use thought out strategies? Everything on his profile is a lie...he has no adaptation to fighting styles for opponents he's fought at all clearly

Not super literally but yeah, GT has better stuff in this department was my point XD

 

[MannyQ361]

That a vote?

Yes

 

[Nonynho]

You kinda just answered your argument by saying this is anime Goku[...]

i'm convinced af

Not quite, his ressurection is him restarting his heart by making him fall on him after he dies

GT Goku would notice this i think, he would assume the ki blast would either hurt the dead body like as if he missfired or think it will do something benefitial to his super counterpart

Did not comprehend this like at all.
May i ask you to rephrase?

Yes

Adding yours with mine together

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Did not comprehend this like at all.
May i ask you to rephrase?

This;



Goku shoots a ki blast in the air right before dying, ki blast falls on him, his heart restarts and revives

Piccolo noticed from a glance what that ki blast meant, I see no reason why a more experienced and smarter Goku wouldn't either

 

[Nonynho]

This;



Goku shoots a ki blast in the air right before dying, ki blast falls on him, his heart restarts and revives

Piccolo noticed from a glance what that ki blast meant, I see no reason why a more experienced and smarter Goku wouldn't either

yeah, i think it'd be working like once or twice at max

May i add you as a GT voter?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

yeah, i think it'd be working like once or twice at max

B-but GT Goku would notice immeadiately ;c

Again, like i said, Piccolo knew without any prior knowledge what Goku had in mine, i don't see this working on a smarter opponent

May i add you as a GT voter?

Why not, go ahead

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Both won't kill each other because its Goku, but they would be putting up hella dukes.

GTku FRA.

(Someone should do DBS anime vs DBS manga if DBS manga has an actual decent scaling chain now)

 

[Nonynho]

Both won't kill each other because its Goku, but they would be putting up hella dukes.

GTku FRA.

(Someone should do DBS anime vs DBS manga if DBS manga has an actual decent scaling chain now)

Ednaxel literally cuts of some part of the manga because it became 2-C, so we don't 100% have it in the cool deep tiers where things get different AFAIK

 

[Nonynho]

I'm working on Ordem Paranormal rn and will be thinking about other matches on a while, but if someone makes Manga vs GT or Manga vs Anime, i'm 100% interested

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Goku solos Goku
(Voting GT FRA)

 

[Nonynho]

Goku solos Goku
(Voting GT FRA)

i really hope i can get this match to be valid for a great while, because this is funny

 

[Nonynho]

Bump

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Can I have the scaling chain again? I have zero clue what is the scaling chain for both. Not changing my vote, just curious on what the scaling chain for both is

 

[Nonynho]

Can I have the scaling chain again? I have zero clue what is the scaling chain for both. Not changing my vote, just curious on what the scaling chain for both is

sure

GT, here

Anime, here

Manga, here, since we talked about earlier

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[TegamiBachi25]

I'm working on Ordem Paranormal rn and will be thinking about other matches on a while, but if someone makes Manga vs GT or Manga vs Anime, i'm 100% interested

DBS Anime Goku vs DBS Manga Vegeta

This is DBS Anime Universe 6 Saga SSJ Blue Kaioken x10 Goku vs DBS Manga Universe Survival Saga SSJ Blue Evolved Vegeta. Speed is equalized and fight takes place in Planet Vampa. Both start in both forms respectively and start fifty meters apart (Goku scales to 64 billion into 2-C and Vegeta...

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Bet

 

[Nonynho]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

bump