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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

The events of that unreleased CW arc were also mentioned in Ultimate Star Wars, New Edition:
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
A quaint question has come to my head, would Force users be able to stand up to Bleach characters, or would their Reiatsu end up killing them anyway?

Would they even be able to see Bleach characters?
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I feel it, yes, but I don't think I can see it. I mean, they can see Force Spirits, but we don't know if they're visible to everyone or not.

Regarding Soul Crush, I don't know, since Force Spirits are Force.

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Although if I could get it accepted that mind = consciousness/spirit, then we could play around with it a bit later.
 
Are any relevant cool characters who aren't an early key in Bleach at H6-A?

Yeah, I think Soul Crush screw them
 
Hello! I have finally written the CRT!!!!!!

Some things may be missing (like a nice scan to justify point 4, plz help me on it), point them out and help me, please!!

Title: (Star Wars) "Reforms, we need, yes? Hmm" (Major stats update + Yoda complete revamp)​

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(Powered by @Hagane_no_Saiyajin and @Phsccarvalho, without them, this would not be possible at all)​


Greetings!

With the course of this last month, we reached the conclusion of a few calculations and researches and I proudly present 4 big topics that will affect a huge bunch of the verse

1: High 6-A AP (and some more)​

This calc got approved, and a lot of people are affected by it, since we see some of the most impressive Jedi and Sith  ever in current times, what our canon is more focused at, most of the time.

Ahsoka Tano (Second key onward)
Anakin Skywalker (RotS key)
Cal Kestis
Cere Junda
Count Dooku
Darth Sidious
Darth Maul
Darth Vader
Luke Skywalker
Mace Windu
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Tarre Vizsla
Yoda

But there are some people who are affected because they can deal with Force Wielders without Force Push simply turning them into less than dust, so I think at least in AP or Durability they should also scale, and if just one or the other gets accepted, I'll mark it

-General Grievous (has dealt with numerous Jedi during the Clone Wars, collecting their Lightsabers as trophies)

-Boba Fett* (Wearing a Beskar'gam and being the  second greatest bounty hunter in the galaxy, he has dealt with Jedi more than once and was even about to murder Luke early in the story before he got interrupted, being the one who even told Vader about his son being alive (the same Vader who he could try blastering from far away, where we don't know for sure if it would mean the end of the Sith Lord or not))

-Din "Mando" Djarin* (Also wearer of a Beskar'gam, he has shown in the end of Book Of Boba Fett and in his own so-far-3-season show that he is superior to basically every character that appear on them, including 9BBY Boba Fett, in the matter of fighting, reaching the point of getting adult Ahsoka at gunpoint and being able to react to her pretty well, ending the fight in peaceful terms quite easily.)

-Din "Baby Yoda" Grogu's Possible Durability* (he may have not reached the point of a Jedi Knight yet in AP, but he wears a custom Beskar armor, which I think justifies this durability because of the material)

-The Armorer (Yet another Beskar'gam, but there are also her equipment that could beat up soldiers with Beskar-Alloy armors and she sparred against The Darksaber in Din Djarin's hands with them)

*- We have also approved earlier that Beskar'gam wearers scale to Force wielders at least to a "Possibly" level due to Anti-Jedi equipment being a thing

2: Relativistic Speed​

This calc was also accepted, and it affects basically every major player in the Verse too, due to them being more or less equal speedwise and able to deflect and/or react to blasters' shots with ease, since they're trained to do so right from the beginning (aside from Mr. Attack On the Wookies, justifying my point that not all Jedi Masters should be scaling to the same stats, as not all of them are good with the 'saber)

Ahsoka Tano
Anakin Skywalker
The Armorer*
Boba Fett
Cal Kestis
Cad Bane*
Cara Dune*
Cere Junda
Count Dooku
Darth Sidious
Darth Maul
Darth Vader
Din Djarin
General Grievous
IG-11 (Profile titled IG-88)
Jango Fett (somewhat reacted to Windu, Boba is also a Clone of his)
Luke Skywalker
Mace Windu
Moff Gideon*
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Tarre Vizsla
Yoda

*-Those should have a "Possibly", "At most" or something alike due to reacting/scaling to Din Djarin who could be in equal terms speedwise with Adult Ahsoka

3: Enhanced Vehicular Mastery for some​


See, Vehicular Mastery is standard for every Jedi afaik, but while we still do not know 100% for sure how many MpH/KmH (or any acceleration measurement desired) is equal to 1 MGLT (the measurement for ships in the verse), we know they reach interplanetary distances in minutes while on the range of 20~40MGLT, while those that i'll mention are piloting some of the fastest vehicles ever recorded, fluctuating from 75 to 100+ MGLT, IMO justifying the Enhanced ability

-Anakin Skywalker / Darth Vader (Both profiles; Known as the best pilot of the Jedi Order, and Obi-Wan describes him to Luke as the best pilot in the galaxy. As Vader, pilots his own personal TIE, the 35th fastest thing ever recorded at 105MGLT)

-Din "Mando" Djarin (He goes from piloting a barely qualifiable vehicle to piloting the 8th fastest thing without any effort, outperforming X-Wings and Imperial ships with not much difficult even in Razor Crest, having even less so with the second ship)

-Han Solo / Chewbacca (They pilot a vehicle at 75MGLT, and scale to one another who have been able react to something appearing in the end of the way while still on hyperspace and pilot the ship our of the way (basically despite piloting the slowest qualified ship, they should be the most skilled, since they were old when performing the feat))

-...Kylo Ren (Welp, he pilots his own ship, that goes at 140MGLT, 4th fastest ship ever)

-Stormtroopers (Knights of Ren (who don't have a profile so I'll put here) and Imperial Pilot Troopers simply pilot the fastest things ever recorded, including 155MGLT, the fastest ship ever, justifying at least a possibly)

-Yoda (Despite usually leaving it to droids, Clones or something alike, on a sudden mission to find Qui-Gon Jinn in Dagobah he piloted Anakin's ship, without much (if any) assistance from R2-D2 who would have memorized the way to Dagobah and easied out finding Yoda at Episode 5, which is impressive since everyone who pilots this type of ship relies quite heavily in the astromech Droid that goes with them)

4: Fear Manipulation (and Aura) Resistance for some​


Darth Sidious, much like a great bunch of profiles, has to be updated in a bunch of things. Palpatine has Aura and Fear Manipulation in it, and it gets resisted by a few brave fellas, so beside adding it to his profile, the resistance should be given to:

(Himself, yeah)

Anakin Skywalker
Darth Vader
Luke Skywalker
Mace Windu
Yoda

My favorite part, this one is:
Watchful eyes may have seen that Yoda is included in all 4, but he has quite some more still! I very proudly present...

5: Grandmaster Yoda and his complete Revamp!​


More than 120 pieces of media were used to base this article, be it games, magazines, books, guides, literally Samuel L. Jackson, educational workbooks, everything,

This is the result of this work!


So, after this very long thing, opinions are very welcome!

Parts 1~4-

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

Part 5-

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
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Why having "Star Wars" and "Star Wars (Legends)" does not work

This all goes back to the fact that Disney isn't the author of Star Wars in the first place, it was George Lucas, so if we were to create a page that is just "Star Wars" without input from Disney or the Expanded Universe/Lucasfilm, we would only look at G-canon material as that is where we see...
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With all due respect: if in 3 months you suggest the same thing and your thread get rejected again, I'll be making a CRT for a forum rule making this a settled topic and banning the creation of more threads about the matter on the next day.

Please stop it
 
noninho said:
Hello! I have finally written the CRT!!!!!!

Some things may be missing (like a nice scan to justify point 4, plz help me on it), point them out and help me, please!!
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For the Lifting Strength, would Grievous be Class M or Class P?

Edit: Also in the future, I may or may not scan some more things for the Yoda profile. You are free to do the CRT, but that won't be the only thing done for Yoda
 
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I don't quite agree with Luke being High 8-C because with the context around the durability feat, it's not clear if he actually was engulfed by the explosion or by the epicenter:

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Star Wars (2015) 38

Star Wars 38 is the thirty-eighth issue of the Marvel comic book series Star Wars. It was written by Kieron Gillen and illustrated by Salvador Larroca. It was released on November 8, 2017.[1] THE ASHES OF JEDHA! KIERON GILLEN'S FIRST ISSUE ON STAR WARS! The Rebel Alliance turns its attention to...
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Luke's ACTUAL durability

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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
For the Lifting Strength, would Grievous be Class M or Class P?

Edit: Also in the future, I may or may not scan some more things for the Yoda profile. You are free to do the CRT, but that won't be the only thing done for Yoda
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I'd put Class P, since he for sure has survived more than one Jedi at least on this level Force Push'ing him

Ms.Luzifer said:
Grievous not affected by the speed?
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Great attention, updating the list rn
 
Phsccarvalho said:
We used the second calc.
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@Ms.Luzifer I found the calc in question, although not the reason why it was removed. It appears though that the decision for the downgrade was made between 14:28, 15 August 2021 and 05:16, 4 September 2021

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STAR WARS REBELS: Kanan and Ezra throw some asteroids

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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I guess that Kanan and Erza will get their own CRT in the meantime
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Welp, all i know is "they're their own stuff", so... I guess?

They're could be included as a possibly something since they (barely) survived Vader, but y'all tell me, won't be doing anything by myself and regret it later lol
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Ms.Luzifer I found the calc in question, although not the reason why it was removed. It appears though that the decision for the downgrade was made between 14:28, 15 August 2021 and 05:16, 4 September 2021
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a day or two earlier I decided to check old versions of General Grie and Yoda's pfps (Yeesh they were definitely a product of their time) and I saw that some of them just randomly changed from High 7-C to 8-A without a crt linked

idk why they don't link em but damn wished they linked the CRT
 
Ms.Luzifer said:
a day or two earlier I decided to check old versions of General Grie and Yoda's pfps (Yeesh they were definitely a product of their time) and I saw that some of them just randomly changed from High 7-C to 8-A without a crt linked

idk why they don't link em but damn wished they linked the CRT
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I tried poking around myself for the exact CRT, couldn't find it
 
noninho said:
Hello! I have finally written the CRT!!!!!!

Some things may be missing (like a nice scan to justify point 4, plz help me on it), point them out and help me, please!!
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oh uh with the General Grievous justification of scaling for the AP, you could also add the statement that even members of the Jedi Council Struggle to challenge him
 
noninho said:
Hello! I have finally written the CRT!!!!!!

Some things may be missing (like a nice scan to justify point 4, plz help me on it), point them out and help me, please!!
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You didn't mention which character keys will be affected. Luke, for example, has several keys.

Besides, the Jedi Masters should definitely be able to climb it too. Considering the feat was accomplished by Jedi Knights and a Padawan, I think they would at least be comparable to them.

Besides other things like Luke EBS having the strength to face Vader and Kylo being able to defeat that Luke. I don't know why Kylo wasn't mentioned.
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This is a list of all our tier 8A Force sensitives, whether from Kanan or Vader, and their keys.

I think it would be good if you made a blog post and gave a brief explanation for each one as to why that character scales or doesn't scale, like I did here when the plan was tier 7.

I didn't include the Mandalorians, but they all fall into the category of needing equipment to face Jedi.

(If any character or key is missing, you can update this)
  • Luke Skywalker (Post A New Hope - Star Wars (Marvel 2015) comics | Empire Strikes Back | Return of the Jedi | Sequel Trilogy)
  • Ezra Bridger (no keys)
  • Kanan Jarrus (Pre Malachor Battle | Post Malachor Battle)
  • Sheev Palpatine (Endor | Post-Endor)
  • Darth Vader (Post-Mustafar | Rebels and Onward)
  • Grand Inquisitor (no keys)
  • Seventh Sister (no keys)
  • Supreme Leader Snoke (no keys)
  • Kylo Ren (Pre-Rise of Skywalker | Rise of Skywalker)
  • Anakin Skywalker (Clone Wars | Revenge of the Sith)
  • Obi-Wan Kenobi (Clone Wars | RoTS/ANH)
  • Yoda (no keys)
  • Mace Windu (no keys)
  • Jedi Council - Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo Koon, Kit Fisto, Shaak Ti (all no keys)
  • Qui-Gon Jinn (no keys)
  • Luminara Unduli (no keys)
  • Quinlan Vos (no keys)
  • Pong Krell (no keys)
  • Ahsoka Tano (Clone Wars | Star Wars: The Clone Wars (Season 7) | Star Wars: Rebels)
  • Cere Junda (Padawan | Dark Side)
  • Cal Kestis (Jedi Fallen Order | Jedi Survivor)
  • Count Dooku (no keys)
  • General Grievous (no keys)
  • Asajj Ventress (no keys)
  • Darth Maul (Prequel Trilogy/Clone Wars | Rebels)
  • Savage Opress (no keys)
  • Bendu
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I just noticed smth

during Grievous' Death despite getting caught on fire and even exploded by his blaster, His Duranium Body remained pretty much unaffected by it.


could this give his Duranium Body, Heat Resistance? (maybe even resistance to the Blasters but might be a stretch)
 
Ms.Luzifer said:
I just noticed smth

during Grievous' Death despite getting caught on fire and even exploded by his blaster, His Duranium Body remained pretty much unaffected by it.


could this give his Duranium Body, Heat Resistance? (maybe even resistance to the Blasters but might be a stretch)
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e can someone answer this
 
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