Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Stellar_Fish]

If Vivz elaborates on something which makes it a physically impossible interpretation, then I'm not buying that impossible interpretation.

It's actually logically impossible as well

and you can clearly ******* see the planet of Anti-spiral in the head of Granzeboma...THE GALAXY SIZED MECH

Whataboutism about a totally different verse with a totally different context to justify what isn't logically tenable

 

[ShionAH]

This verse is never getting the respect it deserves when yall act this stubborn on something so consistent, big loss guys. Big L.

Fine keep it at Tier 8 or 7 if you want its just sad to see.

 

[Mythic381]

It is so much of a representation that Vox quite literally shot from one place to another?

??? How does them being representations go against them being in the same space, can you genuinely be consistent with anything you're saying???

This means they are no longer their own universes, since universes are by definition "all of space and time and their contents". You can't have TWO "all of space and time"'s in one bigger "all of space and times".

Try to realize I've been arguing about them being universe-sized rather than universes for the past hour when I was mentioning them being two structures within a larger universe.

As I said, arguing that they are universe-sized planets it's a totally different argument because they are totally different things from what a universe is and what the word universe actually means. Saying that the sky is purple and collectively acting like it is won't change its color.

Literally whole point is that it would be accepted that both structures would exist within a larger universe, indicating that both structures would at least be in a size close to universe, which by the statement, should give them that factor, as if they didn't exist in the same space they clearly would've both been accepted at universe size by wiki standards.

 

[Alexander]

Don't care about that Bill victim smh

HOW DARE YOU CALL HIM A BILL VICTIM, he has better tier 1 scaling than your ******* triangle that is forever pure evil

 

[Alexander]

Whataboutism about a totally different verse with a totally different context to justify what isn't logically tenable

man, it suffers the same problem, OF DISTANCE BEING VISIBLE

 

[Alexander]

This verse is never getting the respect it deserves when yall act this stubborn on something so consistent, big loss guys. Big L.

Fine keep it at Tier 8 or 7 if you want its just sad to see.

hey, no problem to be honest...but...do you think you can put yourself a profile picture?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Yeah no look, this whole train of thought is a joke, I started this argument with an open mind but the more things y'all say the more I'm convinced of how nonsensical your idea is, it's literally play-pretend, roleplaying as if something that clearly isn't a thing, was.

Literally whole point is that it would be accepted that both structures would exist within a larger universe, indicating that both structures would at least be in a size close to universe, which by the statement, should give them that factor, as if they didn't exist in the same space they clearly would've both been accepted at universe size by wiki standards.

This is a totally different argument from what you've been saying. As I said, the best you can do is put both as "universe-sized planets." (Which has little to no evidence whatsoever) Anything other than that is nonsense.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

This verse is never getting the respect it deserves when yall act this stubborn on something so consistent, big loss guys. Big L.

Fine keep it at Tier 8 or 7 if you want its just sad to see.

If it was so consistent, it wouldn't break the basic rules of logic and you would be able to explain my inquiries without depending entirely on a nonsensical quote.

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

HOW DARE YOU CALL HIM A BILL VICTIM, he has better tier 1 scaling than your ******* triangle that is forever pure evil

Tier: High 1-C

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

We all know Gravity Falls is wanked, no need to show

 

[Alexander]

Fire u cool koola

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

??? How does them being representations go against them being in the same space, can you genuinely be consistent with anything you're saying???

Yeah! Look what you're saying: these things that we see are just representations, not actual locations. So! When the Vox takes that nuke weapon and shoots at that representation, guess what happens? You won't ever imagine! The actual Неаven gets hit! What a coincidence! Even though it was a mere representation, the real place got hit. It's almost as if... the place is there, y'know?

Try to realize I've been arguing about them being universe-sized rather than universes for the past hour when I was mentioning them being two structures within a larger universe.

Then nice headcanon since it's not what Vivz says! Also, 93 billion light-years wide planets! Does desire to wank the number get rid of all common sense?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

We all know Gravity Falls is wanked, no need to show

Ye agreed where's my outer Bill

 

[Mythic381]

This is a totally different argument from what you've been saying.

No?

2 universe-sized structures existing within a larger universe, point?

Again, Vivzie did not hire a physicist to work on the show, and the standards are unclear on what the size of two universes that would actually be just 2 structures existing in a large universe be.

No one said they don't work as universes lol, the whole argument is that they're two universes that look and act like planets in the sense that they can be physically traversed, no one asked for actual physics here, but if the standards accept they are in a large universe, then that should relate to their size being around the actual size of an observable universe, as out of context, them putting "large" wouldn't have mattered.

Why would the standards dictate a universe is universe-sized by just being called a universe if it doesn't?

Literally all I've been arguing for the past hour is that they would be universal-sized for being called universes if they can't be accepted as separate space-time contiuums.

the best you can do is put both as "universe-sized planets." (Which has little to no evidence whatsoever) Anything other than that is nonsense.

Wiki says something being called a universe makes it universal sized, I'm following the standards, unless there's rules against it for whatever reason.

 

[Phoenks]

I mean this will just get rejected in a CRT anyway so arguing here is almost pointless.

They've already admitted all they have is Vivzipop calling the realms universes. Keep in mind that universe just refers to something being its own world. The planets statement is actually more contextually important because she says she treats them like planets for most cases, meaning that they have planet-like qualities, not universe-like qualities.

But nah, totally just an observable universe which is shaped like a planet with visible cities on its surface which can be traversed just like you could on a regular planet. Oh! And don't forget hell also canonically has a moon in the sky! It's a universe with a moon! That definitely makes sense and suits the narrative guys!

 

[Mythic381]

Don't care about that Bill victim smh

Same wanked ass bill being high via "dimensional r>f" type shit.

 

[Alexander]

Then nice headcanon since it's not what Vivz says! Also, 93 billion light-years wide planets! Does desire to wank the number get rid of all common sense?

I mean...planets in TES are other planes of existence with infinite size.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Same wanked ass bill being high via "dimensional r>f" type shit.

Even without it he still molds while low-balled

 

[Mythic381]

But nah, totally just an observable universe which is shaped like a planet with visible cities on its surface which can be traversed just like you could on a regular planet. Oh! And don't forget hell also canonically has a moon in the sky! It's a universe with a moon! That definitely makes sense and suits the narrative guys!

Yep, being glued to usage of visuals for what is confirmed to be "cosmic representations" lets go with that.

 

[Stellar_Fish]

Yep, being glued to usage of visuals for what is confirmed to be "cosmic representations" lets go with that.

Being glued with the usage of visuals for a visual animation mind you
Did you guys know that Vox is actually 600 meters tall? Vivz told me, so him being portrayed the size of Alastor is actually just a representation glued to the usage of visuals

 

[Phoenks]

Yep, being glued to usage of visuals for what is confirmed to be "cosmic representations" lets go with that.

Being glued to visuals in an animation? No way!?

You're telling me I'm not supposed to be glued to the visuals in a visual medium of expression and storytelling? Incredible.

 

[Alexander]

I mean this will just get rejected in a CRT anyway so arguing here is almost pointless.

but we won't die without fighting, WE FOUGHT FOR FIRE FORCE LOW 2-C, we will fight for Hazbin Universal level.

They've already admitted all they have is Vivzipop calling the realms universes. Keep in mind that universe just refers to something being its own world. The planets statement is actually more contextually important because she says she treats them like planets for most cases, meaning that they have planet-like qualities, not universe-like qualities.

now you are doing semantics with words and making things up, Hell is not a planet, literraly it has stars and has no tectonic plates (Moxxie says there are no earthquakes in Hell), Viv says they are universes outright, with no like or ifs, she just says LIKE planets, but she could have been reffering them in other way and not themselves has in their nature.

But nah, totally just an observable universe which is shaped like a planet with visible cities on its surface which can be traversed just like you could on a regular planet. Oh! And don't forget hell also canonically has a moon in the sky! It's a universe with a moon! That definitely makes sense and suits the narrative guys!

it acts like a moon/sun, also...WE ACCEPTED GOW FOR THE SAME REASON

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Me when I see two buildings that literally act this way the entire series but author calls them their own universes (9-B wall destruction is now Tier 3 feat):

 

[Mythic381]

Even without it he still molds while low-balled

He absolutely does not get anywhere dimensionally close

 

[Stellar_Fish]

WE ACCEPTED GOW FOR THE SAME REASON

I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable in GOW but if the reasoning for them being so high is something similar to this then they need a downgrade immediately cause lmao

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

He absolutely does not get anywhere dimensionally close

If ya care to prove it, go ahead and downgrade him. I dare you.

 

[Mythic381]

You're telling me I'm not supposed to be glued to the visuals in a visual medium of expression and storytelling? Incredible.

My bad, let me tell Vivziepop to go draw a universe-sized universe and to make sure it is a universe or I become Adam

 

[Alexander]

Me when I see two buildings that literally act this way the entire series but author calls them their own universes (9-B wall destruction is now Tier 3 feat):

i mean they could be buildings with their own dimensions inside (aka, Tardis style)

 

[Alexander]

I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable in GOW but if the reasoning for them being so high is something similar to this then they need a downgrade immediately cause lmao

...we gave the sun, of Gow, tier 1...WE GAVE A STAR, TIER 1

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Problem: HH fraud-niverses can be physically traveled
Solution: let's pretend that Vivzie said those are universe-sized planets, not actual universes!

 

[Phoenks]

I would imagine GOW has a lot more lore to back it up other than a singular statement of being called a universe btw

 

[Alexander]

Problem: HH fraud-niverses can be physically traveled
Solution: let's pretend that Vivzie said those are universe-sized planets, not actual universes!

we should allow this type of verses to exists from time to time, i mean, Sendokai has ships that allows the travel to other dimensions with pure speed (yet those dimensions are still considered other space-times in the same verse)

 

[Stellar_Fish]

My bad, let me tell Vivziepop to go draw a universe-sized universe and to make sure it is a universe or I become Adam

The funniest part is that you can't even be sarcastic because what you say is so nonsensical than trying to make our argument sound nonsenscial will make you, by proxy, make sense.
"Let me tell Vivziepop to go draw a universe-sized planet." Like lmao, Dragon Ball is right there.

 

[Alexander]

I would imagine GOW has a lot more lore to back it up other than a singular statement of being called a universe btw

and yet where is the evidence for the contrary in HH?literraly where it was said in the show that Heaven is a planet?WHERE IT IS SAID IN THE SHOW THAT HELL IS A PLANET?

 

[Stellar_Fish]

and yet where is the evidence for the contrary in HH?literraly where it was said in the show that Heaven is a planet?WHERE IT IS SAID IN THE SHOW THAT HELL IS A PLANET?

Ignore the series guys statements are more important

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

and yet where is the evidence for the contrary in HH?literraly where it was said in the show that Heaven is a planet?WHERE IT IS SAID IN THE SHOW THAT HELL IS A PLANET?

Where it was said that Alastor has red hair? IS IT SAID IN THE SHOW THAT ALASTOR HAS RED HAIR? OMG HE DOESN'T HAVE RED HAIR!

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

How vox was moving in the finale (and how be moving when his scaling gets appropriated)

 

[Alexander]

Dragon Ball is right there.

bad example, literraly kaio shin realm being 1/10th of the size of the universe...yet, the characters and the attacks are visible anyway (also Daima with the demon realm)

 

[Phoenks]

and yet where is the evidence for the contrary in HH?literraly where it was said in the show that Heaven is a planet?WHERE IT IS SAID IN THE SHOW THAT HELL IS A PLANET?

The way it appears in the show (visual medium of storytelling) is as a planet, with cities and a surface...

Are you being for real lmao